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Blondin, you have some Esplanin to do.

Couldbe Yue
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07-16-2009 08:43
From: Argent Stonecutter
Not precisely. They said that *advertised* sexual content would have to move, and would be eligible for the swap. When asked about free clubs and the like, they said they didn't have to be businesses, they just had to be advertised.



Unfortunately I can't find the transcript of the press conference held in early may with Cyn and the two lawyers. In that I think she said any commercialised (defined as advertised) adult content would be eligible to move - not sexualised from my recollection - just adult

Blondin hasn't been right on anything yet, however a formal statement made at a press conference in front of 2 company lawyers should count for something.
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07-16-2009 08:49
From: Sindy Tsure
I don't think that's clear...

I do think that we warned LL about speculators on Zindra and a number of other issues related to this stuff. We warned them a bunch of times.

/me cues Lindal.


/me steps up to the podium, taps the mic, and raises her fist in the air.

I told you so. I called Blondin a bald faced liar to his face more than three months ago.
It's always been clear that LL would be making two sets of judgement calls. First, are you naughty enough to qualify for the free swap? And then, later, when someone ARs you for your adult content, the G-Team will tell you whether you are too naughty for your Mature land.

Hide your poseballs now, the Sex Police are on the way.
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07-16-2009 08:51
From: Milla Janick
Where is the lie?

Anyone can move to the adult continent, however only adult businesses will be eligible for the land swap.

The qualifications for land swap eligibility have been made perfectly clear for months.

yes
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07-16-2009 08:52
From: Morgaine Christensen
Yes, it was done out of sheer stupidity on my part because 1) I was stupid to believe LL's information; 2) Unable to find and NOT getting clear information from LL that they needed to see it; 3) Did not find out till after the fact because there were too many places to look for information, too many rumors, and LL kept changing their minds.

I had planned on redoing the build anyway because I was not satisfied with it and was time for a change. I do RP, which in turn I create products for the RP and turn around and sell them as well. Only thing I have out is the new goth mansion I created for the new RP while I wait and wait and wait to see if I get a swap or need to try to sell it and take a major loss on the mainland. It will be worthless I am sure.

I did put all this information in the support ticket as well. I just want them to get this sorted out so I can make some choices on what I need to do. Either land swap or sell my place to buy land in Zindra.

well i think it is stupid on their part to have to go do visual based assessments when they could just do it all on search..
I mean unless people are wanting to just get sections of land changed to get zindra land what else would they need..

And changing the CS lke they did before only confused things more..
From what i remember.people could still conduct business until the new TOS was signed..

Why change the CS before the swaps are over?
Is it because if we change the CS people will pick things up off the land and we will have less swaps and more buying land on zindra out of frustration on the approval time or tickets turned down because of some tiny detail they missed?Bleh

I don't know..it just seems like a dice game to me..lets roll these dice and see what reaction we get..
I can see why people are so frustrated..it's just craziness..

Times like these i am glad i live on an estate..I would be ripping my hair out..
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07-16-2009 09:05
I just dont understand...
it may be me.

I read the support info on this move and followed what was said. I knew not to pack my stuff up, also double checked I was one that may qualify. Picked out choices and submitted my ticket. Knowing I still may not qualify. what the other Morgaine stated is about the only thing I have read that I can say sounds like a logical complaint. Buying the mature mainland to do what she does, to only have it backfire on her down the road with the new policy. That stinks and I know for many. But its there thing that they can do ... change policy, there business.

Its up to us as a customer weather or not we want to participate with there company.
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Lizz Silverstar
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07-16-2009 09:45
From: Ceka Cianci
I don't know..I would think a lot that are fed up would leave but i can see the commerce people using both..If there is money here and in a new world why wouldn't they use both?

Some residents have big investments in their inventories as well..I know it wouldn't be something i would cut lose..Not right away anyways...Not unless it was so good that it had me addicted.. It would have to be something worth getting divorced over i guess and there would have to be a dating period before that even came into consideration..

I'm sure over time the better one would win all my time..I still don't think i would ever give up this account..I would always have to come back to see what has changed and who is still around..


I understand, I have a ton of money and time invested here. But it is my friends here that hold me here.. If they go then so do I..

All my investments here would be pretty useless if I am just sitting there alone. What good is my dance chim if the clubs are all empty? My bunch of pillows where we can all lay around and talk if I am the only one?

I have seen all of this happen before in other worlds.. The company treats their customers like dirt because they can, the customers put up with it because their friends are here and it is the only world that offers something they need/want.. But as soon as something better comes along and their friends all move to that world, they go too, regardless of the investment.

In the past I have felt the same way.. "I would never give up this account. I will always come back and spend time here." Guess what? I may go back a few times, but as there is no one left that I know, that grows old very quickly. So those accounts fade away.. Such will be the fate of SL for me once there is another better place to go. I will come back, log on, see no one on my friends list is on, my land long ago abandoned.. I will tp around only to find my favorite places gone or changed. After a very short time you just go "Why bother, there is no one left anyway".
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07-16-2009 09:54
From: Sindy Tsure
I think people are overreacting to this. They saw that people were abusing the system (surprise!) and change the rules. There's no nefarious plot here..


When the parcel in question can only be found in search if you tick "Adult" in the new viewer then something is very much amiss with it being refused a land swap.
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07-16-2009 10:01
From: Lizz Silverstar

In the past I have felt the same way.. "I would never give up this account. I will always come back and spend time here." Guess what? I may go back a few times, but as there is no one left that I know, that grows old very quickly. So those accounts fade away.. Such will be the fate of SL for me once there is another better place to go. I will come back, log on, see no one on my friends list is on, my land long ago abandoned.. I will tp around only to find my favorite places gone or changed. After a very short time you just go "Why bother, there is no one left anyway".

i understand that completely..there would have to be a reason to keep coming back..
To say the truth..it is actually getting pretty boring in there now for me..i just go because i have friends in there..
Summer time really sets the reality to me that winter hides..what would happen if SL died..
I would get over it but i would hope i could still get in touch with the people i would miss most.
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07-16-2009 10:57
From: Lindal Kidd
I told you so. I called Blondin a bald faced liar to his face more than three months ago.


Isn't it possible that Blondin is just getting the same kind of conflicting information and non-answers from LL upper management as we are getting from him? I strongly suspect Blondin has been put in the unenviable position of having to answer questions where the "right" answers keep changing on him.
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07-16-2009 10:58
From: Carl Metropolitan
Isn't it possible that Blondin is just getting the same kind of conflicting information and non-answers from LL upper management as we are getting from him? I strongly suspect Blondin has been put in the unenviable position of having to answer questions where the "right" answers keep changing on him.

this
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Couldbe Yue
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07-16-2009 11:18
From: 3Ring Binder
this



nope

From statements made earlier last month I understand blondin wrote at least some and undertook the approval process for the current linden policy as detailed in the KB.

I certainly accept that in the light of there being no project (let alone programme) management of this initiative and the cultural lack of communication with LL that he has no idea what senior management are saying and I'm quite prepared to believe that LL senior management have no idea what they're saying (the lack of consistency in their utterances is a bit of a giveaway).

His public meetings are a farce. Each time he is asked to go away and clarify or is asked to provide information he fails to do so. There is certainly no demonstration of any willingness on his or Jack's part to even provide the bare minimum of customer service.

This doesn't appear to be an attitude towards those affected the AC policy specifically but appears to be the basic approach LL takes to customer relations. i.e. they have no recognition of, nor any respect for, us as customers and in effect we doesn't exist to them.
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07-16-2009 12:19
From: Carl Metropolitan
Isn't it possible that Blondin is just getting the same kind of conflicting information and non-answers from LL upper management as we are getting from him? I strongly suspect Blondin has been put in the unenviable position of having to answer questions where the "right" answers keep changing on him.


Possible, but unlikely. If you read those interminably long Adult Content discussion threads, it's pretty clear to me that Blondin knew the score all along. His job was to string the residents along with vague and noncommittal answers until Moving Day.

In any company, there is a possibility of miscommunication, or hidden Upper Management agendas. But I believe Blondin deliberately lied, and lied, and lied...and that he was explicitly ordered to do so by M.
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07-16-2009 12:19
From: Couldbe Yue
nope... blah blah blah

just because some policy changed doesn't mean it wasn't the case when first mentioned. he's not in charge, and probably more frustrated than you about all the frequent changes.
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07-16-2009 12:20
From: Lindal Kidd
Possible, but unlikely. If you read those interminably long Adult Content discussion threads, it's pretty clear to me that Blondin knew the score all along. His job was to string the residents along with vague and noncommittal answers until Moving Day.

In any company, there is a possibility of miscommunication, or hidden Upper Management agendas. But I believe Blondin deliberately lied, and lied, and lied...and that he was explicitly ordered to do so by M.

i don't believe any of that, for a second.
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07-16-2009 12:22
/352/11/314444/143.html#post2397499

From: Milla Janick
Will individual residents who don't own adult businesses be able to take part in the land swap?


From: Blondin Linden
The Land swap will be available for those who will be most impacted by the adult content changes.




/352/11/314444/196.html#post2402619

From: by Ian Nider

What is the criteria for being approved for a land swap?

Will some people be turned down, or can anyone (land owner) who wants to go to Ursula go?


From: Blondin Linden
Yes, people will be turned down. The reason is that the majority of people will not need to move. Many others would simply need to remove a word or two from their land info or search tags and they would be fine on Mature.
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07-16-2009 12:38
From: someone
Originally Posted by Blondin Linden
Yes, people will be turned down. The reason is that the majority of people will not need to move. Many others would simply need to remove a word or two from their land info or search tags and they would be fine on Mature.


The parcel that prompted this thread would have to change more than a word or two, it's plain wrong that they aren't getting moved.
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07-16-2009 13:02
Hasn't Blondin done enough esplanin? :rolleyes: I'm not sure why anybody would think that cause they put "XXX" in their land description that would be enough to qualify for a land swap. I think (?) that is what you mean by this post. Blondin may not have "gotten" your original question... I'm not sure I did.
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07-16-2009 13:20
From: Ciaran Laval
The parcel that prompted this thread would have to change more than a word or two, it's plain wrong that they aren't getting moved.

Johnnie's Slut Shack? I agree with that, it appears to be that it would qualify, unless there's some extenuating circumstance we're not aware of. The system appears to have broken down in that case. It would be nice to hear a further explanation as to exactly why that swap request was denied.

However, this does not make Blondin a liar, or alter the fact that the land swap was always meant for publicly advertised adult content, not everyone who asked for it.
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07-16-2009 13:54
From: Ciaran Laval
From: Blondin Linden

Yes, people will be turned down. The reason is that the majority of people will not need to move. Many others would simply need to remove a word or two from their land info or search tags and they would be fine on Mature.


The parcel that prompted this thread would have to change more than a word or two, it's plain wrong that they aren't getting moved.

The parcel that prompted this thread would have to change more than a word or two, it's plain wrong that they aren't getting moved.


I'm telling you, it's deliberate. They want the majority of adult content right where it is, where it can get AR'd, investigated, and removed. Look at what Blondin SAID vs. what's in the definitions the G Team will USE.
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07-16-2009 13:55
From: Milla Janick
However, this does not make Blondin a liar...

How about Cyn?
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07-16-2009 14:24
Policies at Linden Lab haven't changed one whit regarding adult content. They've been the same policies since the first day Second Life opened for business. And Oceania has always been at war against Eastasia too.

Blondin et al are masters of the New Truth. Truth which is malleable. History which is malleable. Facts which are malleable. Whatever Big Brother Linden says is the truth, is the truth. The past will be altered to fit. Those who remember a different past are lunatics.

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07-16-2009 14:24
From: Lindal Kidd
I'm telling you, it's deliberate. They want the majority of adult content right where it is, where it can get AR'd, investigated, and removed. Look at what Blondin SAID vs. what's in the definitions the G Team will USE.




They may well be under pressure to move adult stuff out of the way. They have the anti sex lobby and probably have share holders too.

Over all we want SL to survive, so addressing the people left behind in mature is really important. If they can't have a sex life in peace and comfort there, or be given some new land too, SL will fall apart.

It's not the fault of Blondin. Also don't forget LL stuck up for child avs recently when they were wrongly sexualized by by critics.
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07-16-2009 14:36
From: Meade Paravane
How about Cyn?


Blondin, Cyn, and Jack all lied. Blondin lied about the definitions and how they'd be applied. Cyn lied about how "many many people" wanted this change, and Jack lied about how "gee, nobody's protested the change to me"...when there was a JIRA with thousands of votes, and thousands of IMs sent to him.
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07-16-2009 14:42
It is all very simple about who gets moved when.
It goes in this order.

1) Are you a Linden Alt?
2) Do you regularly cyber with a Linden Alt?
3) Do you give lots of money to LL?
4) Do you buy Lindens lots of beer and/or Slim Jims?

5) Everyone else.
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07-16-2009 14:46
From: Lindal Kidd
Possible, but unlikely. If you read those interminably long Adult Content discussion threads, it's pretty clear to me that Blondin knew the score all along. His job was to string the residents along with vague and noncommittal answers until Moving Day.

In any company, there is a possibility of miscommunication, or hidden Upper Management agendas. But I believe Blondin deliberately lied, and lied, and lied...and that he was explicitly ordered to do so by M.



What Lindal just said.
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