Blondin, you have some Esplanin to do.

Doesn't that say something?

To me it speaks volumes.

It is the entire root as to why this ENTIRE Zindra scheme was deranged.

Ian, I don't want to take sides here because there are elements to both of your arguments that I can't agree with.



No matter how I try I don't see this as sexual expression. I've come to accept dolcett as it's one of those things that is consensual and thankfully will just not catch on big time in the real world but this skin is a depiction of a lot of real life things that have nothing to do with sex or consent. From throwing acid in women's faces through to this and worse, I cannot condone anything to do with it.

That said, I don't support SLLUFN in principle because I believe non consensual violence against both genders should be eradicated, from killing civillians in armed conflict through to domestic violence. Selecting only one gender is discriminatory and therefore doomed to fail.

As for their tactics, well I can't comment as I tend to steer clear of those things in here, mainly because a lot of them don't understand the paradigm shift of virtual worlds against rl and so their approaches to achieving change and awareness fall far short of anything other than irritating.

Regardless of the activity involved, gaming the Abuse Report system should not be used a method for Virtual Societal Change.

I believe providing a "more predictable user experience" was of secondary concern to "mo' money, mo' money, mo' money!"

very true, but that's what LL wants. They actively encourage multiple people to file ARs (they've told me to do it that way a few times). Whether we like it or not they it's one of the rules of this world.

Fair enough on sides. I don't like a lot of sexual kink myself on a personal level as well. What I am against here is the push for *one way*, for right or wrong, been the correct way for you, for I, for the dolcett lot, for anyone.

If or if not she's against stuff I like... or I don't... is beside the point for me here, it's that there is no respect for peoples ability to choose their fantasy life for themselves. In fact there's a push to take the expression that choice away.

It could be apples or purple cars under attack for all I care. The day one person or group has achieved the right and power to say how another feels and fantasises or r/ps or what ever the term for it you choose isn't one I want to see.

All that said of course I am against rape and killing etc in r/l... and the blur of r/l and net morality agendas is all pretty new in history... I guess it's a bit like book burning to me.

So you are saying that the entire scheme was concocted to earn Linden Lab more money?

If that is the case, why are they bothering with arbitrary distinctions as to who gets a swap?

They should have just taken the first 1000 (or however many spots they had) applicants and told the rest "sorry out of free swaps"

But don't they encourage this in the case of stuff that is actually against the rules?

Or do they actively encourage people to report everything in the gray areas between the rules violations they have actually defined?

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Regardless, it does highlight the fact that the poster who claimed there were no vigilante squads actively organizes them.

One reason not to give land swaps to everyone who asks for one is so land barons don't swap for huge amounts of new Adult land, forcing LL to buy new servers to run it, then abandon their current mainland, leaving LL stuck with a bunch of servers going 24/7 running nothing.

Weren't there a whole lot of Openspace regions abandoned after LL announced the price change? This is a pretty good way to use the servers that were running them.

Should I get my tinfoil hat now?

Ian, you have generated a lot of smoke here, but not found much in the way of fire. Let's examine what these excerpts actually say, shall we? Because what you WON'T find here, or anywhere, is evidence of an organized and coordinated AR campaign. You won't find it, because there has never been such a campaign.


This first URL (which is not, incidentally, from the actual SLLUFN wiki or blog, but from an affiliated one), gives instructions on how to file AR reports. And a link to information on the development of UK government standards on violent porn. That's all. Where do you see indications here that members are swooping down on adult content in coordinated waves?

Providing information on how to file and follow up on ARs is entirely in keeping with the SLLUFN's main function, which is EDUCATION. Although I personally had nothing to do with this post, I am not going to apologize for it. Making women in SL aware of the tools at their disposal is entirely valid. Most of this information is, in any case, available through LL's own tutorial pages and elsewhere. I also included instructions in one of the SLLUFN's main projects, which was a guide for women noobs. Again, this is about educating women in the tools available to them. There is no vigilante squad here. Try again.


Yep, Ian, of the six ARs I have posted in my year in SL, four have been related to adult content. All related to a Dolcett site; two were for butchers tables that included animations allowing the male to sexually mutilate a woman while raping her. They included commands such as "Cut C**t", "Make new hole," and "F**k new hole." A third AR was for a "debreaster," a guillotine that sliced off a woman's breasts to the sound of screams; it included a very nice attachment the woman could wear afterwards that showed her bleeding chest. A fourth AR was for a rape animation; you've read my blog discussion of this, and already know that my objection wasn't to the animation itself, but to its name.

I am not going to apologize to you or anyone else for ARing this content. It was all out in the open and public; the "debreaster" was right next to a nude beach that did not include any other adult content.

As I've explained before, I didn't AR these for "personal" or even "moral" reasons: I ARed them because a) they seemed in violation of the CS, and b) there is plenty of evidence that extreme pornography such as this causes societal damage. If you want more information on THAT, check out the SLLUFN's actual wiki, where I have just begun to compiling a bibliography of studies relating to that issue. The bibliography, incidentallly, is really what the SLLUFN is about: education.

Four ARs against a single sim do not a coordinated "banning" campaign make. I've asked you before to provide evidence for your continual allegation that I advocate "banning" content that is currently allowed under the ToS or CS; you have never been able to do so. I invite you once again to try.


Nonsense. ARs are, by definition, reports on violations of CURRENT regulations and prohibitions. They have nothing whatsoever to do with "banning" currently permitted content. They would, in fact, be an awfully ineffective way of trying to ban new content.



NONE of these threads calls for the banning of currerntly permitted content. NONE of them calls for vigilante squads. Merely citing them without actual evidence to the contrary is just a smoke screen. SHOW me where I call for either of these things in these threads, or indeed, ANYWHERE else.

They DO critique BDSM and representations of violence against women, but they do so in the context of public debate. It is, as you note, a "free world," and one of the things that KEEPS it free is the ability to discuss intelligently and civilly issues such as this. I make no apologies for THAT either.

They "prove" nothing of the sort. I have never organized a vigilante squad. In fact, if you go into the records of the group Stop Violence against Women, you will find a notice from me calling for that group NOT to engage in vigilante action, precisely because I think it resembles mob action. I am sure I can find the text for that notice if it is no longer in the group archive.

These are smears. Show me where I have ANYWHERE called for "vigilante squads."

I forgot to post the URL for the SLLUFN wiki, where you will get a better sense of what the group is actually about.

http://feministos.wetpaint.com/

For those who have not seen it, here is the SLLUFN blog:

http://feministnetwork.blogspot.com/

Both are primarily about education and information. Not about coordinating vigilante squads.

are ll taking action against people already? isnt it a bit... premature?

I agree that it would be, if there was evidence that they were doing so. Check the police blotter: I see no such evidence that they are.

http://secondlife.com/support/incidentreport.php

Yeh, it's just not real is it, it all meant something else that I just didn't grasp, eh? I find it hard to take your denials of the agenda seriously.

Who wrote these blogs and posts, you, your group or sub groups, what ever... Dress it up how ever you like, split hairs over words, depictions, r/l, the net, what ever, it's all to obviously about controlling other people as you and or your group/s see fit, no matter how you word it or deny it or glorify it.

As for AR-ing, yeh you did it and imply it's fine.

If or not cartoons screw people up is always in debate, "experts on both sides" I think your to fanatically on one side of that debate to be taken seriously with any of this, this approach is more on the side of a problem.

Then why go to BDSM sims to AR BDSM poseballs?

Really, I wonder if the vigilante squads will be as mythical as the PG predictable users. More than likely, the adult content that gets ARd will be:

-Neighbor disputes; want to force your neighbor to move...
-Land grab; see above
-Revenge; mainland content has to move? AR private sims

It is the most devisive way that LL could go about this. Pit community against community and let them rip each others throats out.

LL used to not approve/disapprove of builds, content etc. Now, they do in order to give businesses the land swap. Crippling businesses that don't get approved. Huge advantage for those who do as fast as possible. User content wasn't allowed in the Hau Koda build... but it is (approved adfarming?) in the Mosh build...

No, I don't "imply" that the four ARs I sent were fine: I insist on it. These were brutal and violent depictions of graphic assaults on women. I'd AR them again in a flash.

Your response here rather sidesteps my challenge, Ian. Show me some evidence of my vigilante activities. Do four ARs against a single sim qualify?

Show me evidence (I am asking now for something like the fourth time) that I have called for bans.

If you can't, then please stop villifying and misrepresenting me.

Who is going to BDSM sims to AR poseballs? I wasn't; I didn't even know what Dolcett was when a friend TPed me to the nude beach. Were I deliberately going to BDSM sims to send out ARs, I think my total would have been rather more than four, all from a single sim.

My point here is that if there is anywhere out there a coordinated attempt to send people to adult sims to AR content, I haven't seen it. And it certainly is NOT coming from the SLLUFN.

I DO think that you are right about the way that ARs will be used. They have never been primarily about sexual or violent content in any case.

I did, you say the fairies wrote it.
Your vilifying yourself, sorry.

Wait are brutal and violent depictions of graphic assaults (wether man or woman) against TOS?

No Ian, what you did was provide a link to instructions on how to post and follow up on an AR.

Is that REALLY the only evidence you can marshal of an organized campaign?

Depictions of rape or sexual violence are in violation of the June 1, 2007 SL blog announcement on prohibited content.

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2007/06/01/keeping-second-life-safe-together

Do these prohibitions still apply in the context of the new AO regulations? Frankly, I don't know: that's one of the things I have been working at getting LL to clarify. I might note that my ARs predated the announcement of the new AO scheme.

Is that all you are saying it is today, lol.

Show me that it was EVER anything else, Ian. This is still nothing more than innuendo. Show me some evidence that I, or anyone else, have ever suggested that it was part of a coordinated campaign.

Your responses are getting lamer by the minute.

Your groups, posts and AR's.