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Gummo Zaks
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07-18-2009 09:48
From: Johnnie Carling Tattoos (trampstamps) with words like "____ Slut" "C------ S----" the F word is used several times... all advertized in search, classified ads, etc... Oh an i sell them so it is commercialized content.
And no slut is fine right now... however the descriptive words before the word slut in my tattoos/advertisement/search/product names are "banned" words.
Oh and looking around Zindra... beds *are* enough to send you to Zindra... go figure yeah no idea how you didn't get swapped
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Colette Meiji
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07-18-2009 19:02
From: RockAndRoll Michigan Need to move = you are eligible for the current round of land swaps going on.
Voluntary move = you wait until they start selling land in Zindra and buy some. Everybody on the grid is allowed to take advantage of this voluntary program at such time as they start selling Zindra. Evidently you are contextually challenged. That is a shame. You must not have bothered with the links; but instead decided you can esplain stuff to me with authori-tie I'd correct you, but Ciaran already covered it. Smart guy, that Ciaran.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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07-18-2009 19:50
From: Couldbe Yue In the beginning there will be a flurry of ARs and other unpleasantness then it will just settle down until it looks like nothing has really changed. After all, the only way LL actually intend to police this is by having the resident vigilante squads do it for them. What "resident vigilante squads"? I've asked this before, and I'll ask again; it's a serious question. Taken in combination with Ian's conspiracy theories regarding the "anti-BDSM" push on these threads, which he darkly implies are in some way linked to LL policy changes (Where? How did I miss these?), I am led to conclude that some people believe there is an organized movement out there directing people to AR BDSM and other adult content. Who are these people? Frankly, I'd expect to know of them, given my own in-world connections, but I've seen nothing that remotely resembles these putative "vigilante squads."
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07-18-2009 20:54
From: Scylla Rhiadra What "resident vigilante squads"?
I've asked this before, and I'll ask again; it's a serious question. Taken in combination with Ian's conspiracy theories regarding the "anti-BDSM" push on these threads, which he darkly implies are in some way linked to LL policy changes (Where? How did I miss these?), I am led to conclude that some people believe there is an organized movement out there directing people to AR BDSM and other adult content.
Who are these people? Frankly, I'd expect to know of them, given my own in-world connections, but I've seen nothing that remotely resembles these putative "vigilante squads." Whoever they are, they need a good spanking.
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07-18-2009 21:08
From: Raymond Figtree Whoever they are, they need a good spanking. Right. And you're the gerbil that's going to give it to them?
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Raymond Figtree
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07-18-2009 21:34
From: Scylla Rhiadra Right. And you're the gerbil that's going to give it to them? Hamster. Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
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Colette Meiji
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07-18-2009 22:03
From: Scylla Rhiadra What "resident vigilante squads"?
I've asked this before, and I'll ask again; it's a serious question. Taken in combination with Ian's conspiracy theories regarding the "anti-BDSM" push on these threads, which he darkly implies are in some way linked to LL policy changes (Where? How did I miss these?), I am led to conclude that some people believe there is an organized movement out there directing people to AR BDSM and other adult content.
Who are these people? Frankly, I'd expect to know of them, given my own in-world connections, but I've seen nothing that remotely resembles these putative "vigilante squads." heck people used to try to organize them right here in Resident Answers!
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-19-2009 02:22
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Qie Niangao
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07-19-2009 03:14
From: Scylla Rhiadra What "resident vigilante squads"?
I've asked this before, and I'll ask again; it's a serious question. Taken in combination with Ian's conspiracy theories regarding the "anti-BDSM" push on these threads, which he darkly implies are in some way linked to LL policy changes (Where? How did I miss these?), I am led to conclude that some people believe there is an organized movement out there directing people to AR BDSM and other adult content.
Who are these people? Frankly, I'd expect to know of them, given my own in-world connections, but I've seen nothing that remotely resembles these putative "vigilante squads." Umm... From: Scylla Rhiadra [in  ] Not sure that ANYONE can really be said to "speak for" the SLLUFN (that's not really how we operate), but I think my characterization of the consensus in the group is a pretty accurate one. You may want to research the posting history of other members in that group.
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07-19-2009 07:07
From: Scylla Rhiadra What "resident vigilante squads"?
The whole point of the vigilante is to remain anonymous while doing damage to those they disagree with. The current AR system allows them to do just this. Not like furries, Goreans, BDSM, ad plots or banlines? Set up some proxie emails and file ARs to your heart's content. I guess facing your accuser is an outdated quaint notion.
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Gummo Zaks
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07-19-2009 07:19
Well soon enough if they don't swap me I'm going to ask someone to ar me
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Couldbe Yue
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07-19-2009 07:33
From: Scylla Rhiadra What "resident vigilante squads"?
I've asked this before, and I'll ask again; it's a serious question. Taken in combination with Ian's conspiracy theories regarding the "anti-BDSM" push on these threads, which he darkly implies are in some way linked to LL policy changes (Where? How did I miss these?), I am led to conclude that some people believe there is an organized movement out there directing people to AR BDSM and other adult content.
Who are these people? Frankly, I'd expect to know of them, given my own in-world connections, but I've seen nothing that remotely resembles these putative "vigilante squads." There are many different groups that go around tackling their favourite undesirable social behaviour - bots groups are a very good example of this. It's the way it is. LL says it relies on residents to tell them via AR when things are being breached but does say it frowns on these groups. ARs are the way that LL choses to do this. Resident against resident. I don't think it's deliberately at us - it's just we're the latest policy change. Although the police blotter does appear to be focussing on Adult content on mature land. I'm sure it will die down eventually.
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Ciaran Laval
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07-19-2009 08:04
From: Gummo Zaks yeah no idea how you didn't get swapped Because people who should not have got swapped earlier have managed to get a swap. Now the whole concept of auctioning land there is being undermined so they're trying to be clever. The people behind this migration plan couldn't run a knees up in a brewery.
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Colette Meiji
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07-19-2009 08:04
From: Couldbe Yue There are many different groups that go around tackling their favourite undesirable social behaviour - bots groups are a very good example of this. . One way it happens, is a bit like Mob rule. Someone sees a child av (clothed) on a nude beach .. Suddenly the Nude beach's group chat lights up - "AR THIS PEDO!!!!!" .. 20 minutes later there are AR's claiming the Av was naked, that the AV was a RL kid, that the AV was shooting people, etc. --------------- Of course there's the groups trying to get action on actual banned activity like Gambling, or Ad farms. The idea is 50 ARs are more effective than 1. --------------- Used to happen back in the old days too, Clubs would broadcast asking for ARs against someone they thought was a griefer, or someone who was obnoxious even. Its just worse now since there are things that are actually banned. ------------------------ It will always be that way as long as LL is more likely to respond to lots of complaints than just one.
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Colette Meiji
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07-19-2009 08:12
From: Ciaran Laval Because people who should not have got swapped earlier have managed to get a swap. Now the whole concept of auctioning land there is being undermined so they're trying to be clever.
The people behind this migration plan couldn't run a knees up in a brewery. They Really should have just made a NEW continent for the people who wanted something in between Adult and PG, or even just make it all PG since there is really not much difference between Mature and PG anymore They will need a new name anyhow - the newcomers will see mature and assume its a synonym for Adult, just like it is everywhere else except Second Life. That way there wouldn't have needed to be any swaps, people on mature land would be adult, just like before this whole mess started. They could even have made the new continent prettier than the old one to attract the sexless away from the areas of vice and debauchery. ======================= I can only surmise they didn't want their total "Mature" Land being smaller area-wise than their "Adult" Land, since that will be terrible PR. Which suggests that there will always be significantly less "Adult" land than "Mature" Land regardless of the demand.
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Ciaran Laval
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07-19-2009 08:17
From: Colette Meiji They Really should have just made a NEW continent for the people who wanted something in between Adult and PG, or even just make it all PG since there is really not much difference between Mature and PG anymore They should have made a PG continent and an adult continent and allowed everyone who wanted to, to voluntarily move there and then imposed their existing community standards. They tried to make PG include "No social references to alcohol" which isn't PG in anyone's book. They want to merge the grids, they want the teens here so they're trying to make the mainland kid friendly. This is do damn obvious.
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07-19-2009 08:25
From: Ciaran Laval They should have made a PG continent and an adult continent and allowed everyone who wanted to, to voluntarily move there and then imposed their existing community standards.
They tried to make PG include "No social references to alcohol" which isn't PG in anyone's book. They want to merge the grids, they want the teens here so they're trying to make the mainland kid friendly. This is do damn obvious. But then we couldn't have the massive money grab that will occur, for LL as well as favorite land barons as people flee Vanillaland, selling their old property at a loss,perhaps abandoning it, where it will be ready to be snapped up by those "millions of unheard voices" seeking a More Predictable Experience(tm)
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Colette Meiji
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07-19-2009 08:28
From: Ciaran Laval They should have made a PG continent and an adult continent and allowed everyone who wanted to, to voluntarily move there and then imposed their existing community standards.
They tried to make PG include "No social references to alcohol" which isn't PG in anyone's book. They want to merge the grids, they want the teens here so they're trying to make the mainland kid friendly. This is do damn obvious. I agree. I think they want a Filtered World, basically like the Internet with all your Search Filters enabled. A veneer of respectability so they can be like Amazon, or Google or Yahoo or Facebook ; or any of those other Socially accepted and popular Internet Destinations. Adding "Respectable" content land (better word than the new version Mature, really) must have been deemed as something that would Take too long, and thus they decided to broom the naughty stuff to a new continent. ------------------------------------- I wonder if the reason for the 2-4% is because some middle managers actually had been lying to their superiors about the extent of the adult content in Second Life. And thus someone really thought this brooming idea would work. As the amount of Dirt that they tried to broom soon became so much huger than the dustbin they called Zindra, they panicked and the only solution they could come up with was a severe rationing. They get their 2-4%, because they will force it on people, because it was the amount that they got approved. To all those who think the private Islands will be the haven from this censorship - I disagree. They are NOT going to allow "Adult" Islands to outnumber the "Mature" and "PG" islands. Not once they let the kids in.
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Ciaran Laval
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07-19-2009 08:28
From: Brenda Connolly But then we couldn't have the massive money grab that will occur, for LL as well as favorite land barons as people flee Vanillaland, selling their old property at a loss,perhaps abandoning it, where it will be ready to be snapped up by those "millions odf unheard voices" seeking a More Predictable Experience(tm) I won't say LL are lying about the people asking for a more predictable experience, I'll merely say it's abolute balderdash.
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Colette Meiji
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07-19-2009 08:44
Beleive it or not, my first Ever Thread was on a PG version of Second Life /120/12/43782/1.htmlFrom: Colette Meiji 04-21-2005 PG Life , an idea
All right .. there have been several posts in the last month on divergent topics that all are actually related in a certain way I think.
First, There are a lot of people for and against Teen SL .. one of the agruements of the opponents if they should not automatically graduate into the Current Adult grid on their 18th birthday becuase of the X rated matarial.
Second, There are many who are against the Lag creating/sexual content themed clubs.
Third, Quite a few are against Sex in SL anyway, for whatever reason. Many to the point they want to impose their veiws on others.
Fourth, there are people who wish they could be in Teen Second life becuase of the restrictions on sexual content.
WELL .. is it an entirely unrealistic idea to add another Grid seperate from The Main Grid the Teen Grid and the Test Grid ?..
Just make it the PG Grid ....
Many Massive Online games maintain a much larger number of servers then Second Life .. so I suppose its feasible from a technical standpoint.
Maybe though, it will lack interest?
If thats the case .. what does that say about the VERY vocal opponents of sexual themed content? Would it mean their feelings are an extreme minority?
In those days there were, much like now, those who would be nasty about the sexual themed activities of their fellow residents. And, much like now, sometimes make a spectacle about it on the forums. Kind of a pathetic first thread, only 10 replies, *sniff* Of course not one of the anti-sex crowd then spoke out in favor of a PG life. Just like you wont hear any non-adult advocates here speak out in favor of a new continent and land swaps for Respectable Land, instead of this lame Adult Zindra plan.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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07-19-2009 08:49
From: Qie Niangao You may want to research the posting history of other members in that group. Ummm, indeed. The only other member of the SLLUFN that I have seen posting here certainly critiqued BDSM and representations of violence against women (and did so rather well, I thought), but she certainly did not call for "vigilante action." Nor has she done so in-world, where I know her pretty well, and belong to a number of the same groups. More to the point, I just haven't seen ANYONE trying to organize vigilante AR squads here . . . at least, not on the VAW issue. The child avi thing is another issue, with which the SLLUFN is not involved. The SLLUFN, as a group, has no plans, current or future, to launch anything like a coordinated AR project against depictions of VAW. We DO have plans to document instances of rape simulations, etc., but a) not through the use of ARs, and b) not until WELL after the dust has settled on the Zindra move. The documentation project is essentially a research one, not an aggressive organized attack on individuals or groups. The main thrust of our current efforts is actually towards an open and public "teach-in" on the issue, which would involve seminars featuring a number of different perspectives on the issue, including speakers representing the BDSM community. Of course, what individuals may choose to do is another matter. But I've certainly not heard of even individual AR campaigns recently. From: Couldbe Yue I don't think it's deliberately at us - it's just we're the latest policy change. Although the police blotter does appear to be focussing on Adult content on mature land. I'm sure it will die down eventually. Checking the police blotter is a good idea, and I will start to do this more regularly. At the moment, however, I see only two items on the list that are even vaguely related to adult content, and both concern indecency in a Help Island area.
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07-19-2009 08:55
From: Colette Meiji One way it happens, is a bit like Mob rule.
Someone sees a child av (clothed) on a nude beach .. Suddenly the Nude beach's group chat lights up - "AR THIS PEDO!!!!!" ..
20 minutes later there are AR's claiming the Av was naked, that the AV was a RL kid, that the AV was shooting people, etc.
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Of course there's the groups trying to get action on actual banned activity like Gambling, or Ad farms. The idea is 50 ARs are more effective than 1.
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Used to happen back in the old days too, Clubs would broadcast asking for ARs against someone they thought was a griefer, or someone who was obnoxious even.
Its just worse now since there are things that are actually banned.
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It will always be that way as long as LL is more likely to respond to lots of complaints than just one. From the SL Left Unity Discussion Page.... explicit instructions on just that. http://womensresourcehub.wetpaint.com/page/SL+Left+Unity+Discussion+PageFrom: someone Thread started: Apr 18 2009, 12:13 PM EDT Watch Here are three helpful links to bring light upon a dark topic. The direct e-mail link to Second life abuse team. [email]indra-abuse@secondlife.com[/email] This will allow you to file an abuse report and include more evidence than the in world abuse report form allows.. Also this provides the beginning for accountability for the Governance team. After you send the e-mail you will receive an abuse report number. This will tie the Abuse report to a Linden employee.. Now the next step if you do not receive a response to the content that you are reporting or it appears as if it were being brushed aside and not taken seriously. Include the Abuse report number and all the information about the content that you are concerned about and report the content here. http://www.iwf.org.uk/http://www.ceop.gov.uk/Both of these sites are concerned about the Violent Content in Second Life even more so if they know minors are accessing it. Now if any of these agencies feel what have have presented them is worth looking at they will contact Linden Labs and begin asking questions. If you took step one and have a Abuse report number these questions will trickle down to the Linden lab employee who was assigned the abuse report. From: someone Originally Posted by Scylla Rhiadra What "resident vigilante squads"?
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Who are these people? Frankly, I'd expect to know of them, given my own in-world connections, but I've seen nothing that remotely resembles these putative "vigilante squads."
Above and below quotes..... they are your group and yourself. From: someone Friday, 3 April 2009 Network meeting - March 29th One of our members is also a member of a fashion group and had been sent details of a new skin called ‘Raped’. This depicts a woman covered in cuts and bruises. One nipple has been cut off and the word ‘whore’ has been cut into her stomach.
The topic of this meeting was to have been a discussion on the Gorean ‘life-style’ (or should that be Second Life-style) but the sight of this skin had regenerated both disgust and anger at the depiction of such sexual violence towards women.
We are starting to feel that we really must take some action, even if it only to raise awareness or generate debate.
Some suggestions were:- - To organise a boycott of the designer - To repost this as ‘abuse’ - To wear the skin and demonstrate with placards
We are always faced with the dilemma of not wanting to ‘moralise’ or be seen as wishing to restrict ‘freedoms’ however also feeling angry and disgusted.
Where should the line be drawn and what should we do about it?
This issue just won’t go away.
From: someone I've asked this before, and I'll ask again; it's a serious question. Taken in combination with Ian's conspiracy theories regarding the "anti-BDSM" push on these threads, which he darkly implies are in some way linked to LL policy changes (Where? How did I miss these?), I am led to conclude that some people believe there is an organized movement out there directing people to AR BDSM and other adult content.
I'm not darkly implying anything, I am openly saying as are you, even cloaked in nicer words now. That you want and your group want to control peoples sexual expression by having what you disprove of for your personal reasons removed or banned. You AR'ed sex poseballs you morally disagreed with. From: Scylla Rhiadra "I recently sent in Abuse Reports concerning two sex animations for sale at a stall in a BDSM sim, the one called “Forced Missionary,” and the other “Forced Doggie Style.” Images associated with each showed a “couple” engaged in copulation employing the specified positions, the chief thing distinguishing these from other similar animations apparently being the fact that the male was, in each case, pinning the female down, or holding her in place, by her hair. . . .
Someone made them, someone else bought them and people enjoyed using them. All adults, all consensual. You're out of line ARing people. That leads to bans, I know you realise this. From: someone Originally Posted by SLLU Feminist Network draft notecard By publically expressing our views we risk being seen as prudish or as advocating censorship and in so doing endangering the ethos of Second Life. We are not any of these. We do however feel we have a responsibility to make our views known and to try to influence change.
We are therefore beginning a campaign against the public depiction of rape in Second Life.
Rape is the most extreme form of sexual violence against women. There remains among rapists and potential rapists the myth that women (some at least) secretly welcome this kind of sexual abuse. Therefore when we hear the argument that rape doesn’t exist in Second Life because it is consensual we are not reassured. We have no real understanding of the emotional impact on those taking part in such activities in Second Life or how such role play may influence behaviour in physical life although there is a body of evidence about the impact of extreme pornography in other media.
Just as in age role play there is nothing we can do about couples or groups enacting rape scenarios in private. There is however something we can do about the acceptance of rape role play in ‘public’. We are aware of the plans to create ‘adult’ Sims and see this not as an opportunity to ‘ghettoize’ rape role play but as an opportunity to take rape role play out of the Second Life experience.
We therefore call for the following to be designated as breaching community standards and to therefore be the subject of abuse reports with the usual consequences.
Groups or Sims advertising or promoting rape play
The sale of rape animations or skins depicting victims of rape
Pornographic images of rape in any form
As individuals we may want to adopt differing ways of campaigning but as members of this group we agree on these aims and will do our best to support each other in our campaign and to bring the issue to the attention of the wider Second Life community.
..... A quick google or look through the forums finds piles of this. /327/96/321867/50.html Inclusive Communities and Representations of Violence against Women /327/04/320728/10.htmldoes anyone know the LL position on depictions of sexual violence? and so on... It's a free world, you have every right to feel as you do, you just don't have the right or power to control the sexualities of others.
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07-19-2009 08:59
From: Ciaran Laval They should have made a PG continent and an adult continent and allowed everyone who wanted to, to voluntarily move there and then imposed their existing community standards. They didn't believe anyone would move if they made it voluntary. I suspect demand for a PG continent was pretty low, too.
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07-19-2009 09:02
They should have moved all the PG sims to a new continent, freshly glued together with openspaces, and replaced them with openspaces in the existing continents.
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Colette Meiji
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07-19-2009 09:07
Argh the forums are broke for me again
Ian - Interesting post, seems Scylla is an actual participant in the very type of vigilante squads she claims ignorance of.
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