These forums are CLOSED. Please visit the new forums HERE
Blondin, you have some Esplanin to do. |
|
|
Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
|
07-19-2009 10:57
Hmmm... IBTL
_____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/
"And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore |
|
Gummo Zaks
Registered User
Join date: 27 Oct 2008
Posts: 228
|
07-19-2009 10:58
Depictions of rape or sexual violence are in violation of the June 1, 2007 SL blog announcement on prohibited content. https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2007/06/01/keeping-second-life-safe-together Do these prohibitions still apply in the context of the new AO regulations? Frankly, I don't know: that's one of the things I have been working at getting LL to clarify. I might note that my ARs predated the announcement of the new AO scheme. Wo I really had no idea. Then how do all these places with kidnap, snuff, dolcett and other violent sexual descriptors stay on the grid? |
|
Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
Join date: 11 Oct 2008
Posts: 4,427
|
07-19-2009 10:59
Your groups, posts and AR's. What groups and posts, Ian? NONE of my groups is involved in a coordinated attempt to AR or ban material. NONE of them. NONE of my posts have EVER called for either of these things. And, again, if you seriously believe that four ARs against a single sim over the course of a year in SL represent a "coordinated" anything, you need to go back to a dictionary. Still nothing more than innuendo, Ian. Provide some ACTUAL evidence that 1) my groups are organizing vigilante campaigns OR 2) That my posts have ever called for, or attempted to organize one. Let's see some quotes, eh? Instead of vague insinuations? _____________________
Scylla Rhiadra
|
|
Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
Join date: 11 Oct 2008
Posts: 4,427
|
07-19-2009 11:01
Wo I really had no idea. Then how do all these places with kidnap, snuff, dolcett and other violent sexual descriptors stay on the grid? They stay on the grid because, despite the rampant paranoia I have been hearing about LL's supposed "agenda" against adult content, they have NEVER seriously attempted to enforce these prohibitions. LL likes adult content, even the violent stuff. It makes money for them. The only time they respond is when they face a potential PR problem. _____________________
Scylla Rhiadra
|
|
Gummo Zaks
Registered User
Join date: 27 Oct 2008
Posts: 228
|
07-19-2009 11:04
They stay on the grid because, despite the rampant paranoia I have been hearing about LL's supposed "agenda" against adult content, they have NEVER seriously attempted to enforce these prohibitions. LL likes adult content, even the violent stuff. It makes money for them. The only time they respond is when they face a potential PR problem. *is going to go back and change the descriptors on his land the moment he gets to a computer* sorry had no idea....perhaps that's why I didn't get swapped....I only put them there hoping if I filled my about land with filth I would get swapped |
|
Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
Join date: 11 Oct 2008
Posts: 4,427
|
07-19-2009 11:06
*is going to go back and change the descriptors on his land the moment he gets to a computer* sorry had no idea....perhaps that's why I didn't get swapped....I only put them there hoping if I filled my about land with filth I would get swapped LOL! I suspect that your initial impulse was probably the correct one . . . _____________________
Scylla Rhiadra
|
|
Autumn Palen
Registered Lurker
Join date: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 111
|
07-19-2009 11:09
Who is going to BDSM sims to AR poseballs? I wasn't; I didn't even know what Dolcett was when a friend TPed me to the nude beach. Were I deliberately going to BDSM sims to send out ARs, I think my total would have been rather more than four, all from a single sim. My point here is that if there is anywhere out there a coordinated attempt to send people to adult sims to AR content, I haven't seen it. And it certainly is NOT coming from the SLLUFN. I DO think that you are right about the way that ARs will be used. They have never been primarily about sexual or violent content in any case. Unless there is more to the story in this post, /327/96/321867/31.html#post2438678 I could easily see how one would get the impression Melodie had. |
|
Ian Nider
Seeds
Join date: 20 Mar 2009
Posts: 1,011
|
07-19-2009 11:12
What groups and posts, Ian? NONE of my groups is involved in a coordinated attempt to AR or ban material. NONE of them. NONE of my posts have EVER called for either of these things. And, again, if you seriously believe that four ARs against a single sim over the course of a year in SL represent a "coordinated" anything, you need to go back to a dictionary. Still nothing more than innuendo, Ian. Provide some ACTUAL evidence that 1) my groups are organizing vigilante campaigns OR 2) That my posts have ever called for, or attempted to organize one. Let's see some quotes, eh? Instead of vague insinuations? /327/b2/330367/7.html#post2502139 Btw, it's you who bought all this up in a post a bit back... Originally Posted by Scylla Rhiadra What "resident vigilante squads"? I've asked this before, and I'll ask again; it's a serious question. Taken in combination with Ian's conspiracy theories regarding the "anti-BDSM" push on these threads, which he darkly implies are in some way linked to LL policy changes (Where? How did I miss these?), I am led to conclude that some people believe there is an organized movement out there directing people to AR BDSM and other adult content. Who are these people? Frankly, I'd expect to know of them, given my own in-world connections, but I've seen nothing that remotely resembles these putative "vigilante squads." You bought all this up, naming me as prone to conspiracies and somehow you think I think that's to do with LL, I don't care why or how you think that... I posted some links I think are pretty clear about it. Deal with opinion how ever you want. People can make up their own minds. /327/b2/330367/7.html#post2502139/327/b2/330367/7.html#post2502139 Deal with it... _____________________
Playin' Perky Pat
|
|
Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
Join date: 11 Oct 2008
Posts: 4,427
|
07-19-2009 11:13
Unless there is more to the story in this post, /327/96/321867/31.html#post2438678/327/96/321867/31.html#post2438678 I could easily see how one would get the impression Melodie had. Fair enough. Without more context, this could be interpreted in different ways, although only somewhat willfully: I say nothing in this post, or in the original blog posting, about vigilante action because, simply put, there wasn't any. I happened upon these pose balls quite by accident, via the nude beach that I was TPed to (by a friend who shouldn't have been there anyway, but that's another story). _____________________
Scylla Rhiadra
|
|
Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
Join date: 11 Oct 2008
Posts: 4,427
|
07-19-2009 11:18
Deal with it... Deal with WHAT, Ian? You still provide no evidence whatsoever to back up your allegations. And yes, as your link DOES demonstrate, I DID bring this up. I did so because I don't believe that coordinated vigilante action is happening. And because, if it were, I would want to OPPOSE it. I don't like mobs with pitchforks and torches anymore than you do, even when they share some other viewpoints with me. _____________________
Scylla Rhiadra
|
|
Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
|
07-19-2009 11:19
I suspect it's possible having "Femme Vigilante" as your tagline might somewhat color interpretations of the posts you make under it.
Just sayin'. _____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/
"And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore |
|
Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 3,373
|
07-19-2009 11:22
oh, that blog.
that was the one that tried to ban 'broadly offensive' conduct while the cs specifically stated (and still does state) that 'broadly offensive' conduct had to remain limited to mature regions. i dont think much came of daniel lindens plan, in fact daniel linden left LL not long after that. Depictions of rape or sexual violence are in violation of the June 1, 2007 SL blog announcement on prohibited content. https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2007/06/01/keeping-second-life-safe-together Do these prohibitions still apply in the context of the new AO regulations? Frankly, I don't know: that's one of the things I have been working at getting LL to clarify. I might note that my ARs predated the announcement of the new AO scheme. _____________________
SLU - ban em then bash em!
~~GREATEST HITS~~ pro-life? gtfo! slu- banning opposing opinions one at a time http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/zomgwtfbbqgtfololcats/15428-disingenuous.html learn to shut up and nod in agreement... or be banned! http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/off-topic/1239-americans-not-stupid.html |
|
Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 3,373
|
07-19-2009 11:23
it was actually a running joke that he used the cs phrase 'broadly offensive' to contradict the cs!
_____________________
SLU - ban em then bash em!
~~GREATEST HITS~~ pro-life? gtfo! slu- banning opposing opinions one at a time http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/zomgwtfbbqgtfololcats/15428-disingenuous.html learn to shut up and nod in agreement... or be banned! http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/off-topic/1239-americans-not-stupid.html |
|
Ian Nider
Seeds
Join date: 20 Mar 2009
Posts: 1,011
|
07-19-2009 11:26
Originally Posted by Scylla Rhiadra Who is going to BDSM sims to AR poseballs? I wasn't; I didn't even know what Dolcett was when a friend TPed me to the nude beach. Were I deliberately going to BDSM sims to send out ARs, I think my total would have been rather more than four, all from a single sim. Unless there is more to the story in this post, /327/96/321867/31.html#post2438678/327/96/321867/31.html#post2438678 "I recently sent in Abuse Reports concerning two sex animations for sale at a stall in a BDSM sim, the one called “Forced Missionary,” and the other “Forced Doggie Style.” Images associated with each showed a “couple” engaged in copulation employing the specified positions, the chief thing distinguishing these from other similar animations apparently being the fact that the male was, in each case, pinning the female down, or holding her in place, by her hair. . . . Now, hair-pulling has never been my thing. To begin with, it hurts. And I think I may also have been traumatized by an incident in the second grade involving a particularly promising aspirant to juvenile delinquency by the name of Charlie McKendrick. However, such is my strength of will and mind that I can rise above this, and frankly declare that I really have no moral or ideological objections to coiffure-tugging during the act of sex. What I do, strenuously, object to is the deliberate association of this with rape, which is clearly what is intended by the names given to these two animations. It is an association which trivializes a very real and enormously destructive act all too common in our culture. Even a simulated rape – or, more accurately, a simulation that has been identified as such – has the potential to cause real pain to those who have been the victims real life sexual assault. Most importantly, perhaps, the dwindling of real life trauma into a “game” reinforces the notion that rape is acceptable, and even “fun.” Had these animations been differently named, my view of them might have prompted an involuntary shudder (shades of the execrable C. McKendrick), but I would not have sent in an abuse report. In essence, I was reporting the names of these animations, rather than the animations themselves, but that is a subtle distinction that would likely have escaped Linden Lab's enforcers." I could easily see how one would get the impression Melodie had. It doesn't sound like dolcett to me... You've equated the ball names and hair pulling with rape and gone on to say *now* it was actually dolcett and torture. Lol. _____________________
Playin' Perky Pat
|
|
Gummo Zaks
Registered User
Join date: 27 Oct 2008
Posts: 228
|
07-19-2009 11:28
Not to thread-jack.....but what was it we needed blondin to explain?
|
|
Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
Join date: 11 Oct 2008
Posts: 4,427
|
07-19-2009 11:29
oh, that blog. that was the one that tried to ban 'broadly offensive' conduct while the cs specifically stated (and still does state) that 'broadly offensive' conduct had to remain limited to mature regions. i dont think much came of daniel lindens plan, in fact daniel linden left LL not long after that. You may well be right. And if so, it is no wonder that such material continues to exist on the grid. LL really needs to clarify their policies, and gather the regulations from the KB and elsewhere that is relevant to the ToS and CS together. _____________________
Scylla Rhiadra
|
|
Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 3,373
|
07-19-2009 11:31
oh it was a huge backlash when daniel posted that. bigger than the openspace backlash! iirc 'age verification' became the new buzzword.
You may well be right. And if so, it is no wonder that such material continues to exist on the grid. LL really needs to clarify their policies, and gather the regulations from the KB and elsewhere that is relevant to the ToS and CS together. _____________________
SLU - ban em then bash em!
~~GREATEST HITS~~ pro-life? gtfo! slu- banning opposing opinions one at a time http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/zomgwtfbbqgtfololcats/15428-disingenuous.html learn to shut up and nod in agreement... or be banned! http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/off-topic/1239-americans-not-stupid.html |
|
Gummo Zaks
Registered User
Join date: 27 Oct 2008
Posts: 228
|
07-19-2009 11:34
oh, that blog. that was the one that tried to ban 'broadly offensive' conduct while the cs specifically stated (and still does state) that 'broadly offensive' conduct had to remain limited to mature regions. i dont think much came of daniel lindens plan, in fact daniel linden left LL not long after that. Yeah I'm lazy but what does the new TOS or CS say? |
|
Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
Join date: 11 Oct 2008
Posts: 4,427
|
07-19-2009 11:37
It doesn't sound like dolcett to me... You've equated the ball names and hair pulling with rape and gone on to say *now* it was actually dolcett and torture. Lol. Firstly, I didn't equate the ball names with rape. The names themselves did that. Which was, in fact, my point. Secondly, I did not equate hair pulling with rape at all. In fact, I did exactly the opposite: Now, hair-pulling has never been my thing. To begin with, it hurts. And I think I may also have been traumatized by an incident in the second grade involving a particularly promising aspirant to juvenile delinquency by the name of Charlie McKendrick. However, such is my strength of will and mind that I can rise above this, and frankly declare that I really have no moral or ideological objections to coiffure-tugging during the act of sex. What I do, strenuously, object to is the deliberate association of this with rape, which is clearly what is intended by the names given to these two animations. Thirdly, the sim WAS a dolcett sim, as a three hour long conversation I had with the sim owner, and a great deal other evidence besides, made clear. ARs, I will remind you again, are about CURRENTLY prohibited content, not about trying ban permitted material. If the material ARed is permitted, the AR goes nowhere. End of story. What does any of this have to do with purported "vigilantism" Ian? Or my supposed desire to "ban" content? Can you please provide some evidence? _____________________
Scylla Rhiadra
|
|
Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
Join date: 11 Oct 2008
Posts: 4,427
|
07-19-2009 11:42
I suspect it's possible having "Femme Vigilante" as your tagline might somewhat color interpretations of the posts you make under it. Just sayin'. Hmmm, you think that the "Bwahah!" is too subtle to indicate that I am being ironic? *sigh* _____________________
Scylla Rhiadra
|
|
Ian Nider
Seeds
Join date: 20 Mar 2009
Posts: 1,011
|
07-19-2009 11:44
Firstly, I didn't equate the ball names with rape. The names themselves did that. Which was, in fact, my point. Secondly, I did not equate hair pulling with rape at all. In fact, I did exactly the opposite: Thirdly, the sim WAS a dolcett sim, as a three hour long conversation I had with the sim owner, and a great deal other evidence besides, made clear. ARs, I will remind you again, are about CURRENTLY prohibited content, not about trying ban permitted material. If the material ARed is permitted, the AR goes nowhere. End of story. What does any of this have to do with purported "vigilantism" Ian? Or my supposed desire to "ban" content? Can you please provide some evidence? Just wondering why you *just* went on about names and hair pulling when now your saying it is breast removals and other tortures. Surely something that extreme would have been mentioned, why did you describe dolcett as "forced doggie" and hair pulling? Again, the links, I've posted them 3 or so times with in the past hour, you say they mean nothing, I say they do. _____________________
Playin' Perky Pat
|
|
Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
Join date: 11 Oct 2008
Posts: 4,427
|
07-19-2009 11:56
Just wondering why you *just* went on about names and hair pulling when now your saying it is breast removals and other tortures. Surely something that extreme would have been mentioned, why did you describe dolcett as "forced doggie" and hair pulling? Again, the links, I've posted them 3 or so times with in the past hour, you say they mean nothing, I say they do. I made no mention of these other animations because the blog entry is a discussion of the impact of language on representations of violence against women. The forced sex pose balls were important to my argument precisely because I was making the point that the only thing objectionable about them was the way they had been named. The post was not explicitly about ARs or adult content or dolcett at all; it was not an account of my foray into this sim. It was, in fact, a theoretical discussion about language. Hence, I didn't mention the other animations; they weren't relevant to the issue at hand. Please read the entire posting. The links you have posted provide zilch in the way of evidence that a) I am on a campaign to ban things, or b) that I support or am organizing vigilante action. Quote from them, if you can, to prove otherwise. _____________________
Scylla Rhiadra
|
|
Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
|
07-19-2009 12:03
Hmmm, you think that the "Bwahah!" is too subtle to indicate that I am being ironic? _____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/
"And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore |
|
Ian Nider
Seeds
Join date: 20 Mar 2009
Posts: 1,011
|
07-19-2009 12:10
I made no mention of these other animations because the blog entry is a discussion of the impact of language on representations of violence against women. The forced sex pose balls were important to my argument precisely because I was making the point that the only thing objectionable about them was the way they had been named. The post was not explicitly about ARs or adult content or dolcett at all; it was not an account of my foray into this sim. It was, in fact, a theoretical discussion about language. Hence, I didn't mention the other animations; they weren't relevant to the issue at hand. Please read the entire posting. The links you have posted provide zilch in the way of evidence that a) I am on a campaign to ban things, or b) that I support or am organizing vigilante action. Quote from them, if you can, to prove otherwise. On the hair pulling now all of a sudden touted as dolcett: If it had been me pushing your POV, I'd have made clear that hair pulling poseballs can lead to such fantasy r/p as breasts been cut off, lol... Righto, what ever... I hope you can accept I don't buy it. On the links, it's you who who bought me into this round of the shi*fight, I don't give a stuff really what you think of me, or even much what you say about me, but... I do think the links show a censorship campaign as with a lot of the piles of other posts and links from your group and it's affiliate (listed number the of the blog mind you) and you. You'll have to just cope with that. But just for you, for about the 3rd or 4th time: /327/b2/330367/7.html#post2502139/327/b2/330367/7.html#post2502139 The links. People can read them if they want and make up their own minds, I am sure some will agree with you and some with me and some will not care or be in between. I've just been given a cup of really special jasmine green tea and told to stop worrying, good advice. So I'm out of here for now... Have fun. _____________________
Playin' Perky Pat
|
|
Qie Niangao
Coin-operated
Join date: 24 May 2006
Posts: 7,138
|
07-19-2009 12:34
oh it was a huge backlash when daniel posted that. bigger than the openspace backlash! iirc 'age verification' became the new buzzword. for the Aristotle/Integrity stuff--which is actually more in line with that vendor's own terms for the service it purports to provide. Haven't heard much about the ol' "IDV" lately, though. Many people seem to so desperately want the Adult Content policy to mean something it just is not. It does absolutely nothing to screen adult content from minors--but it was never intended to do that. In the immediate context, it also does absolutely nothing to reduce exposure to violent sexual content--if anything, it makes it easier to find--but that was never its goal, either. In its very limited goal of segregating extreme adult content from the "mainstream" areas of SL, it may be somewhat more effective, albeit at great effort and expense for LL and residents alike. That goal is much less interesting than the sweeping social changes that people have attributed to its intent. Those changes are more titillating topics for discussion, but ultimately those who would advance such causes are fated for disappointment--and not only from this policy. |