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Smith Peel
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09-23-2009 15:52
From: Lias Leandros
And because you all refuse to make any allowances or show any concern for the concerns of others (except when forced by the CS)


You are the one refusing to make allowances that deviate from your fantasy world.

From: Lias Leandros
the next steps have to take place. And soon.


Good luck with that.
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Ciaran Laval
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09-23-2009 15:52
From: Lias Leandros
Contacting your contacts on this Mari? LOL.
And because you all refuse to make any allowances or show any concern for the concerns of others (except when forced by the CS) the next steps have to take place. And soon.


That sounds like a threat.
Jojogirl Bailey
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09-23-2009 15:54
sounded like a threat to me too. i propose a "protect the child avatars" campaign...and SOON. who is good at making tshirts? :0) i can make some cool signs and we can paper sl with them...who's in???
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Whimsycallie Pegler
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09-23-2009 15:58
From: Jojogirl Bailey
sounded like a threat to me too. i propose a "protect the child avatars" campaign...and SOON. who is good at making tshirts? :0) i can make some cool signs and we can paper sl with them...who's in???


In reaction to one rabid anti child avatar? I think that is a bit overkill. Unless I start hearing a lot more rumbling then this, I think I will just take advantage of the mute button.
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09-23-2009 15:59
shoot...no tshirts??? :(
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Lias Leandros
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09-23-2009 15:59
From: Smith Peel
You are the one refusing to make allowances that deviate from your fantasy world.
Fantasy worlds populated by adults do not need avatars of 8 year old girls skipping through it. And no adult needs to be pretending to be one.

Are there any other well known commercial adult platforms that allow this sort of pedo play?
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09-23-2009 16:00
From: Lias Leandros
Kara suggested that Linden Lab gathered up all of the adult business and placed it on one continent in order to ban the adult content easily. I suggested that no adult business owner seems to be in fear of that since none of them are publicly trying to ward off such a fate. But the child avatar apologists have posted hundreds of posts in defense of their survival.
In defense against whom, exactly? Certainly not against LL, who has very publicly taken the position that adults roleplaying children in non-sexual contexts is a perfectly legitimate activity fully within the CS/ToS? Or against some nut-job who has it in her mind that all children want sex with adults?
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09-23-2009 16:02
Fantasy worlds populated by adults do not need avatars eating off naked bodies of others and promoting dolcett. And no adult needs to be pretending to do that.

Are there any other well known commercial adult platforms that allow this sort of play?
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Dakota Tebaldi
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09-23-2009 16:02
From: Lias Leandros
Contacting your contacts on this Mari? LOL.
And because you all refuse to make any allowances or show any concern for the concerns of others (except when forced by the CS) the next steps have to take place. And soon.


Ohhh....the next steps....


Be careful. Mari is one of the Inner Circle. You don't want to find yourself in over your head.
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09-23-2009 16:06
From: Lias Leandros
Contacting your contacts on this Mari? LOL.
And because you all refuse to make any allowances or show any concern for the concerns of others (except when forced by the CS) the next steps have to take place. And soon.

I'm trying think of the number of times I've run into child avatars in the last couple of years in circumstances that would give anyone cause for concern -- and I spend most of my time in Adult areas (or what have become adult areas since Adult verification).

I once ran into one outside a well-known adult products shop, where several people were remonstrating with her and telling her to go. I IM-d the owner, who's a friend of mine, and the avatar wasn't there much longer.

There were a couple of child avatars looking round my store on Zindra while we were getting it ready. I explained, politely, that they were welcome to look round but I really didn't want child avatars there once we had the products out; they were perfectly OK about it and I haven't seen any child avatars there since.

Once I ran into a rather creepy child vampire, but it was her who gave me cause for concern rather than the place. And that's about it, really.
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09-23-2009 16:06
From: Katheryne Helendale
In defense against whom, exactly? Certainly not against LL, who has very publicly taken the position that adults roleplaying children in non-sexual contexts is a perfectly legitimate activity fully within the CS/ToS?
Robin Linden took the position that pedophilia was not in SL in 2006 - Until the video hit the web. Corporations do that. It is called a business lie.
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09-23-2009 16:08
From: Dakota Tebaldi
Be careful. Mari is one of the Inner Circle. You don't want to find yourself in over your head.
Oooh, No!
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Ciaran Laval
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09-23-2009 16:10
From: Lias Leandros
Fantasy worlds populated by adults do not need avatars of 8 year old girls skipping through it. And no adult needs to be pretending to be one.

Are there any other well known commercial adult platforms that allow this sort of pedo play?


Pedo play isn't allowed here, stop making things up.
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09-23-2009 16:12
From: Jojogirl Bailey
Fantasy worlds populated by adults do not need avatars eating off naked bodies of others and promoting dolcett.
LOL - you see this is the sort of things that you need to sink to in an desperate attempt to stop the conversation. The dolcett scare was tried a few months ago Jojo. But give it your best shot.
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09-23-2009 16:14
From: Ciaran Laval
Pedo play isn't allowed here, stop making things up.
Ageplay is not allowed. Pedo play is adults masquerading as children - I will add my new term and definition to the wiki now so your clear on it.
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Dakota Tebaldi
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09-23-2009 16:16
From: Lias Leandros
Robin Linden took the position that pedophilia was not in SL in 2006 - Until the video hit the web. Corporations do that. It is called a business lie.


And you are taking the opposite end of the ruler - that pedophilia is firmly rooted deep in SL and all adult members, male or female, who use child avatars are closet pedos. People do that. It's called the Big Lie.
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Marianne McCann
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09-23-2009 16:29
From: Lias Leandros
Ageplay is not allowed. Pedo play is adults masquerading as children - I will add my new term and definition to the wiki now so your clear on it.


Sorry, your "new term" already exists and is defined, per Google search.

Anyway, I agree with the poster a page or two ago now. This thread is done. Stick a fork in it.
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09-23-2009 16:30
From: Lias Leandros
No one wants a 30 year old adult male pretending to be a 8 year old girl talking to 13 year old girls in Second Life. That adult is considered a internet predator.

you should really quote the whole thing to understand what i was getting at..i'm not trying to convince you of anything..i'm just saying where the grid is heading in the future..

doesn't matter what you or i want..all that matters is how we are going to change ourselves as these things start to happen..

you can live in denial and think adult rated people have a chance at getting rid of those avatars..or you can understand that adult rated stuff is about on it's last leg out the door and worry about zindra and child avatars breaking CS and TOS there and leave all the rest of the grid to itself..

child avatars are not the problem and a lot have that figured out already..some just take longer than others to figure it out..some never will be able to..

either way..lets see what happens in the next year and see how zindra looks..

i'd like to see where you think the grid is heading in the future..seriously..where do you see it in say 3 years?
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09-23-2009 16:35
From: Innula Zenovka
...Once I ran into a rather creepy child vampire, but it was her who gave me cause for concern rather than the place. And that's about it, really.
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09-23-2009 16:36
From: Lias Leandros
Ageplay is not allowed. Pedo play is adults masquerading as children - I will add my new term and definition to the wiki now so your clear on it.


Stop making things up!
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09-23-2009 16:38
From: Lias Leandros
Robin Linden took the position that pedophilia was not in SL in 2006
You have already been called on this lie. Why do you keep making it?
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09-23-2009 16:40
From: Lias Leandros
The dolcett scare was tried a few months ago Jojo. But give it your best shot.


That is a million billion times sicker than anything you can imagine involving adults roleplaying children. But I support the right for anyone to do this kinda crap in a virtual world as long as it is not shoved in my face.
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09-23-2009 16:40
LOL - you see this is the sort of things that you need to sink to in an desperate attempt to stop the conversation. The child avatar/pedophilia scare was tried a few months ago Lias. But give it your best shot.
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09-23-2009 16:42
From: Lias Leandros
From the SL5B debacle to these lengthy conversations - you prove that child AVs would never make concessions with LL. So what is their logical next move?
What concessions did you make, exactly? You moved to an adult-zoned sim because you were told to. There were no concessions. You either do what you were told, or you must pack up and leave. No concessions.

I suppose a concession would have been if you decided to give up your adult business so that you wouldn't have to move. THAT would be a concession. So please, pray tell what concession you have made?
From: Lias Leandros
No, the child AVs made the uproar. And LL refused to partner with child AVs but has assigned a Linden to work with the Adult Content providers.
I see maybe five threads, with a total post count approaching one thousand, driven largely by you, regarding child avatars in SL. On the other hand, I count no fewer than ten threads between here and the blogs, with a total post count exceeding fifty thousand, from the adult community regarding the adult content changes. So, um... Who is making the uproar again?
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09-23-2009 16:43
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