New controversial kid-avs-in-Zindra thread!

And everyone that is uncomfortable with adults masquerading as small children is crazy - always the fall back argument for the child avatar apologist when they can no longer think of any valid reasons to enter Adult areas - and then the obligatory reading of LL's policy saying child avatars can do anything except have sex.

That does not cover the predatory nature of adults masquerading as children on the internet. Earlier I inquired about what other well known virtual platform allows adults to run around pretending to be children - there were no responses. So why is Second Life the place for such pedo-play and no where else? It is not the most flattering thing to be known to harbor these activities. Changes have to be made.

Man, has anyone else been following the recent Something Positive story arc? Does anyone else think Lias sounds like the talk show hostess?

Good idea, but there are two problems I can think of offhand:

The sim could have problems at any time. You could be visiting, oh, a violence sim, but do not want to be on Zindra.

The maturity setting also controls search results. While I do not normally search AC, if I am getting few/no hits for something I will wonder if it was just misfiled and select all 3 boxes (the RL me can see which hits are really places I should not take a kid AVI).

Not to mention that it is just one more setting people would need to be changing all the time.

Lia(r)s, you always change topic when you are shown very rational and valid reasons for child avatars to enter adult flagged regions. You *never* backup *any* of your claims with facts. You simply are a liar and someone encouraging TOS violations to hurt law and TOS abiding residents. You use an adult avatar. Using your "logics", the best way to stop lying and TOS violations would be to ban all adult avatars. Everybody using an adult avatar should be lucky that perverted minds like yours are *not* ruling, neither SL nor RL.

I know that *nothing* anybody says here will make you wake up from your perverted fantasies (well, it took you quite a while to get what Spinster and I said about animations - using that rate, maybe in a couple of centuries you would be able to understand more complicated stuff), so the easiest way would be to simply ignore you. But this would allow the danger that someone who doesn't know your twisted ways yet would actually believe something from you - so it is important to unmask you again and again for the nutcase you are.

See how empowered you feel when you realize there is no relationship between JIRA votes and what LL decides to do. When there is it is pure coincidence.

I already stated there are no valid reasons you cannot change your avatar to enter adult regions. The compulsion that convinces you that you HAVE TO wear a child avatar in a store that sells and demonstrates sex animations is one that is not understandable or acceptable.

Lia(r)s, we talked about buying pg rated animations in one of the better animation shops that might or might not have an adult section somewhere. I have all reason and all rights to go there and do exactly that, no matter what your perverted mindset thinks of it. You need professional help.

Bits and Bobs has an adult section out in the open - that is why he rated his store parcel ADULT. Understand?
The perversion is one where a full grown person masquerades as a small child and then goes to where they know there are adult sex animations.

Actually, there is also experimental evidence of that. Early on there were no child skin vendors so kids wore adult skins. Most human skin vendors add shading to accent the parts that would develop with maturity though, so kid avatars then had to be careful that anything being worn did not reveal to much below the neck.

Actually, that still goes on now for nonhumans. Both of my characters are neko/kitsune (so the typical shadings are not the same) so they both wear their normal adult skins as kids. Nobody has noticed, in fact I have even been complimented on how cute I looked.

Actually, for people I do not know, I find the time for me to be comfortable around them is inversely proportional to the information in their profile (especially having anything in the 1l tab).

I agree with that. The new trend is to hide the groups and not say much in the profile space made available. I am always suspicious of those with all of those blank spots.

But I do not encourage anyone to add RL info to these profiles unless your here because your company is doing business here and they set you up to work on the platform. Inviting complete strangers into your personal life is never a good plan of action.

On the contrary ...

Animations that work for one avatar shape do not always work for another one. It is not just the offset, it is where some components are in relation to others and the animation center point.

Why else would other kid builders send me things to test when I am wearing an adult-sized shape? The problem works both ways.

I have to support Lias here.

There is absolutely no reason why anyone should go to an adult store - animation or other - dressed up as a child avatar. It is simply a norm in modern society that you don't mix sex and children.

Add to that you could both incriminate the owner and yourself doing so.

Kara, you cannot say you want to be a child in Second Life - and then abandon that when it is convenient for you to just walk into areas where children should not be. Children should be in PG areas - Builders can go where they please. If you are out of character when looking for building tools then remove the child avatar and go look for building tools.

If you need to test the animation as a child - only go to stores that are in PG areas are so you can go as a child.

But of course this is unacceptable to the child avatar apologist - they want so they just do it. No matter how unsettling it is for the rest of the people in the store trying out the adult animations.

Bits and Bobs is not an "adult store". There is nothing erotic about a kid toon standing next to a colored ball, or playing a piano, even for the kinkiest wannabe predator.

And you have to try animations as the avatar that's going to be wearing them, there is no alternative.

Yes.. being a athletic supporter is always helpful. He needs all the support that can be obtained.


IBTL.

Lia(r)s, Bits&Bobs has a couple of separate rooms, including a section where you can find pg animations like swimming, sitting, writing animations and stuff like that without having to be close to anything sexual. Another room has dances only, while another one has romantic but non-sexual stuff. One room has some sex stuff - for a sane mind (and for LL) this isn't enough to ban child avatars from the whole area. Try again, please.

It is not about group think koko. It is about common decency. The sanction against child avatars in second life is only based on what is offensive to some people - that is all it boils down to. When you are knowingly being offensive by wearing a child avatar in a adult rated store - you need to be called on it.

The adult animations are in a separate department at Bits N' Bobs. So child avatars being in a situation of trying them on is moot.

Unless the store was changed recently there are PG animations right when you walk in the door. I know there are adult animations out in the open elsewhere. Unlike some of the 'adults' here I actually have the self-control not to enter those sections of the store.

No, mostly just you (although a couple of other names do spring to mind). Most people are capable of moving away from things they are uncomfortable with and just submitting an AR if there is evidence of ToS violation. Quite a few people have said that being around child avatars makes them feel uncomfortable and they choose not to associate with them, but they don't launch obsessive campaigns or feel the need to constantly make up nasty rumours about them.

I am no techie - but even I know how to use my camera.
You do not want a ban and you do not want to make any voluntary allowances - you just want status quo. But that is becoming more and more uncomfortable for some of your community members. You know I comment alot in these child avatar threads but I have never started one - your other community members have. So it is not just a Lias issue. The rest allow you to shut them up with your silly insults - but I just do not see why we should accept your pedo play all over the grid any longer.

It wasn't changed. You walk in and find yourself at a pool, then lots of chairs and tables. To get close to adult stuff, you have to go into a separate room.

OK, I don't know this specific store - I was talking in general terms. Again, talking in general terms, I would look for the same or similar animation in PG or Mature regions if wearing a child avatar.

I remind everyone of the following section:

"If you are in doubt as to whether an activity may be interpreted as ageplay, we request you err on the side of caution and desist. Please note that some countries’ laws may impose penalties for graphics, drawings or anime that resemble child pornography, even where no children have been involved."

of Linden Lab's Clarification of Policy Disallowing "Ageplay"

I had to buy a new animation the other day for one of my builds.
After searching all the pg and mature stores I logged on my adult Av and searched the adult stores.
Once i found the animation I was looking for I still had to test it out with a kid av. As it has been said that animations do not work on all av's.
I put on an adult shape on my kid av . My adult av tp my child av (wearing an adult shape) to the store
once there i quickly changed into a child to test the animations and then changed back to a adult to make the purchase

I think thats enough concessions thank you

And no my child Av was no where near adult animations