New controversial kid-avs-in-Zindra thread!

PG is *very* strict, you can find yourself on the incident report for indecent behaviour there for using 4-letter words already, lol. Most places populated by kid avatars always were located on mature rated regions (and don't worry, they won't move to adult rated regions - even though switching these regions to adult might actually help with the griefer problem).

Now, lets say you and me are not friends but an SL family. Wouldn't you prefer to have the family home in a place where the adults of the family can do adult stuff, and the kids can do pg stuff? Or to ask the other way around: why shouldn't a kid avatar have his kids room in his families home, just because next door is the parents bed room with a sex bed?

you are misunderstanding the definitions of what adult content is as well.

adult content becomes adult content when it is advertised or publicly promoted..those things you mentioned when not advertised or publicly promoted are not adult content..they would be mature content.

Mmzzz makes sense indeed. Does it show I never hang out on PG land?
So mature land I can understand indeed. Adult land still not, since the parents can still do their thing on their mature property Just like happens in real life, shame on us.
As soon as LL prohibits any sexual behavior on mature land as well, those families do have a problem though. Because a family moving to adult land does not seem so smart to me.

To you.



The "outrage", as you called it, involved the presumption that children in Zindra would be involved, either overtly or covertly, in the adult activities there, or would be abusively ARing innocent residents engaging in adult activity there. LL took no action, and nothing of the sort ever ended up really happening, so the outrage abated once people realized it was unfounded. That's what reasonable people do.



My RL ex still thinks my av is adorable - and she's my EX for crying out loud. I'm not exactly ashamed of what I do on SL. I read a quip in Reader's Digest once, "Never say anything over the phone that you wouldn't want your mother to hear at the trial". I apply the same to the internet.

The bottom picture is of your teen avatar and I said I liked that one and it could be used as a avatar for the 13 year olds that are in the teen grid in SL.

The one on the top is a different avatar (and you have presented that picture before a few months ago) And that is clearly a younger avatar with BDSM gag ball in her mouth. And that is broadly offensive. Yet you choose to make a statement with it in a PG Public forum.

This stance from child avatars is one of contempt for common decency and it is unacceptable.

Lias Leandros != common decency

Lias, you're being silly. Look at the eyebrows - it's the same skin. She's wearing all black, but even so the shading on the front of her chest in the "gag" picture very obviously indicates cleavage. The only thing that's different is the hair.



Immy isn't a child avatar anymore.

It is not the same skin. Immy started a thread in another forum where she presents that new teen skin presented at the bottom - and she changed her profile picture at that time - that was in August of this year. The Ball gag picture is older. She used it in June in another child avatar thread.

You need explanation?

Yes, I understand you. If everything was nice and clear, and if we could count on LL to use predictable tactics and no sudden policy changes, and if we could count on the answer we get from one Linden being valid when encountering another one, all would be fine. Sadly, LL's history shows differently. Ask 2 Lindens the same question, and you usually will get 3 different answers.

As it is right now, regions in growing numbers are switched to adult, places are moved to adult rated regions out of a couple of very different reasons. One being actual adult content, another one to be on the safe side of the unpredictable LL disciplinary hammer, another one for the added protection of a place that only verified accounts can enter.

Personally I think the smartest approach is to look at what actually exists, not at what might exist. The region rating is not a rating on the existing content there but simply a rating on what content is *allowed* there. *I* would make decisions on a very individual, low level, as in down to the different rooms of a shop with one having kid avatar acceptable content, the other one having adult content.

lias...you really are obsessed with this whole kid avatar and possible pedophilia thing. you also do seem to have an amazing amount of secret evidence that you keep referring to. how is it that you have soooo much access to information involving adults in sl pursuing children, the groups they are in, the ims they type, etc. seems to me like you would have to be in close proximity to these events and have access to these msgs....is it possible that you play a pedophile in sl just to try to capture the text??? i can totally see someone acting as if they are a pedophile to solicit sex from those they think might be children in order to have all these transcripts of these interactions and create false situations in order to make a point. if that is not the case, how exactly DO you get all this info you say you have?

my suspicions are raised only from your own attempts to do the same sort of stuff with photos of naked adult and children av's together....so it makes me wonder....

/me holds up a sign that says "The ball gag picture was taken last week"... =^-^=

/me provides proof: http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?ID=401782

=^-^=

i have a theory i have been working on..

Those that understand the TOS and community standards and CS and extensions in the KB
have no evidence..those that don't understand them have lots of evidence hehehehehe

Jojo is back after her glamorous exit.

Secret evidence?
I think you are confusing me with Gavin. Gavin had a transcript of a pedo in the Bay City Infohub that picked up a child avatar that happened to be a RL child.

I do not need any of this secret evidence you speak of to say that the child avatar activities are broadly offensive. One is either offended or not.
So wonder then.

ahhh good point ceka!!!!

Not evidence Immy. And it is still offensive.

gosh lias, my understanding of your previous comments was that you had seen many transcripts of these events, had people telling you about them, etc etc etc etc...so are you saying you DONT have ANY evidence except one incident of heresay??? and that is what you are basing your claims that pedophilia is rampant in sl on??? whoaaaaaaa.....that is weak hon.

No I dont think so. What LL have enacted in the code is that Adult Content as defined by them, can't be advertised or publicly promoted. on non-adult land..

I think whats got missed in all of the chatter over the last months is that LL's definition of what constitutes AC hasn't changed since day one. Its why we can have pixel sex in our pixel beds in the privacy of our pixels homes on our mature land. We always could, because this activity is not Extreme Sex and Violence.

If we do indulge in AC acts of Extreme Sex and Violence on a PG/Mature sim, advertised or not, we will be sanctioned by the G-team. Thats the policy. It always has been.

/me yanks at the leather straps, loosens them, and 'patooie's the ballgag to the floor...

GAH! Sore jaw... Back to playtime... =^-^=

Also... Notice the level of detail she claims to have over my activities, timings, changes, and events. She's either making up a VERY elaborate story or stalking me. It's as though she's taking notes of my every move, yet, still getting things wrong. (^_^)

That mention of me using a ballgag picture, seemingly from June... It was postcarded from SL, in real time, to Snapzilla on the day of September 16, 2009. Odds are, I never used it in a June thread, since it didn't exist back then. And, yes, it is my current new skin set ~I~ made after adapting Eloh's new Starlight templates.

As for my avatar being "teen"... Yes, eighteen is teen. It is also legally adult. Linden Lab recognizes 18 as "Adult" since real life 18 year olds transfer from the teen grid to the main grid. If a RL person can be an 18 year old adult... So can an avatar. (^_^)

I didn't BUY my avatar, I made it. I determined what it looks like in every detail. There is no kid, teen, or adult store that sells my skin or shape. As a result, there is no outside influence beyond my own to determine what it is. My determination: Immy is an adorable 18 year old little crud. Full stop. (^_^)y

you may want to read this again and look read hard at where it says IF..

if it advertises or publicly promotes the following:
see it was rated mature before there was an adult rating..so it was never rated adult until there was an adult rating and only where it comes after that IF





The Adult designation applies to Second Life® Regions that host conduct or display content that is sexually explicit or intensely violent, or depicts illicit drug use. Any Region must be designated Adult and therefore require account verification, if it advertises or publicly promotes the following:

* Representations of intensely violent acts, whether or not photo-realistic (for example, depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm)
* Photo-realistic nudity; photo-realistic means that an image either is or cannot be distinguished from a photograph
* Expressly sexually themed content, spaces or activities (whether or not photo-realistic); we will broadly define what is "sexually themed" to include any sexually oriented activities and conduct

EVERYTHING in Zindra is offensive... That's why it got its own continent. (=_=)

Yes true, LL enacted this part of the policy in the code. It doesn't mean that AC acts not encoded are not rated AC or unenforced. Example; put a bukake garden on a Mature sim and don't advertise it. See what happens when the neighbours AR it.

publicly promotes is a nice broad definition, a single sign by the edge of that garden can be enough to make the AR stick depending on who is looking into the AR

Then go back in time and have LL not encourage people to beta test the verification system.

??? How do you modify a .bvh animation file that you've bought from Bits & Bobs? There's a huge difference between modifying the sit target of whatever prim you're putting the anim into and modifying an animation to suit a different avatar size -- which, as far as I know (and my business partner is a very skilled animator) can only be done before you upload the anim.