New controversial kid-avs-in-Zindra thread!

Lol. So we are not even talking about an actual TOS violation but about the pure possiblity of it? Heck it wouldn't even be a TOS violation to step into the separate adult section, realize it and leave again. You are just totally out of your mind, Lia(r)s.



I don't go into any places that I'm not allowed to go. What else do you demand? And who died, made you boss and ALLOWED you to make such demands?



You are called up on your lies and wrong claims all the time, by numerous people. It doesn't face you the slightest, which makes me and many others here worried about your state of mind. I just do not see why we should accept dangerous nutcases like you attacking, slandering and insulting law and TOS abiding people all over the forum any longer.

Hello? I have two mains in SL.

One is a child avatar all the time.

One goes between being in adult shape or a kid shape as the whim strikes. I have 0 interest in the sexual side of SL so there is nothing compelling me either way. If I happen to be in adult shape when shopping for swords it is pure chance nothing more, nobody *forces* me to be in one or the other.

As to 'where kids should not be' .... define. Animation stores? I have not been in Zindra since people were doing their builds, and the majority of that time was at the opening party.

I am not sure there are any made up nasty rumors about child avatars. But I do believe the posting of a small child with a BDSM ball gag in her mouth on Page 47/post #695 shows how much contempt child avatars have toward social norms and common decency. And not one child avatar apologist posting in this thread said that depiction was inappropriate.

I believe many of you have boundary issues - and left without written sanctions - and perhaps a full out ban - you all will continue this pedo play agenda until we have yet another child avatar scandal all over the net.

LL has gone to alot of trouble and expense to clean up their image - soon they will realize you all are not worth the risk of their new corporate image. No suit is understanding why a full grown man is masquerading as a little girl in a store that sells sex animations.

There is no doubt about shopping for PG stuff in a PG place that simply is situated on an adult rated region because it *also* has some adult stuff in a different section.

If it has adult stuff in a section it is NOT a PG place. I take it this store was mandated to move to adult land by Linden Lab?

Nice try Daniel, but it is a no. Kids should not be there.

Because Immy isn't a child av anymore, genius.

This only happens if you have Adult Access enabled in your Preferences. Given that LL define Adult as Extreme Sex and Violence then I'm not sure why an adult playing a child avatar would need to have this option enabled as their default option. If they have then it is a choice the adult behind the avatar makes.

As for being accidentally sent to a Zindra Infohub; This only happens when Adult Access is enabled,.

Being adult-verified, my Home is set to Arapaima, When I choose to disable Adult Access in my Preferences I cant go Home, neither on purpose, accidentally, or by re-route due to a target sim being offline on login.

the picture is of a small child with a BDSM Ball gag in her mouth. Page 47/post #695.

There is nothing about a try, it is a simple fact. RL places like - hm, I think it's called Blockbusters, those video rental places - have adult sections, too (well, here in Germany they do). Still the other parts are open to minors, too. Access restrictions are only in place for the sections that actually contain adult content. This is the simple, rational approach - an approach I (and I guess most of all child avatars) totally understand and accept. Same situation: a furniture shop that - amongst hundreds of other things - sells 5 sex beds. It had to move to an adult rated region to obey the new adult content policy - still there is no problem at all for child avatars to shop in the other sections.

Well I have given it some thinking, and to my utter horror, Lias is right on some point. Too bad the way she expresses herself doesn't do her case much good though. A crusade against child avatars is retarded, as is directly accusing people of pedo play.

But....
Probably allowing child avatars on adult land is a wrong decision. Wrong for most child avatars even. Adult land is related to adult content, so chances are pretty big that the child avatar meets adult stuff.

Now we do all know that behind the child avatar there is an adult person. So no "innocent soul" is harmed. But... we all know the hysteria that is quite common at the moment. Any connection between child avatars and sexual content could do Second Life much damage. Simply because it is food for bad publicity. And believe me, the average reporter is much more interested in a child avatar next to a sexbed, then in the SL that 99% experience.

Do child avatars have a rightful place in Second Life? Damn sure they have!!! But, as far from adult content as possible. If I ever would see a child avatar either in my animation store on Zindra, or the sex-furniture department of my furniture store, their ass will be kicked for sure. I would think that most, if not all child avatars protect themselves though, and the number of child avatars on Zindra will not be huge.

This all comes from a person who could care less about ageplay by the way. But since it IS prohibited, and since there IS a witch hunt going on, Second Life and its residents should protect themselves against any publicity that connects children with sexuality.

Not in the United States it does not. Families going into Blockbuster would not like to see Debbie Does Dallas on display.

LL stated that they will do a very wide approach for the definition of "adult content". Region owners rated their regions "adult" to be on the safe side. Shops and even residential places moved to adult rated regions just to be on the safe side. Families live on adult rated regions, shops that sell nothing or only a slight percentage of adult rated content are located on adult rated regions. There are very valid reasons for child avatars to enable the ability to go to adult rated regions, to be with their families and friends, to shop for non-adult content and so on.

This is the big thing that some people simply are not able to understand: adult rated region doesn't mean adult content per se. It only means that adult content is *allowed* there - it is not a duty. If something non-adult that I'm interested in, be it a private residence, a shop, an event or whatever, is taking place on an adult rated region, I *will* go there - and I *will* be 100 percent within my rights to do so.

Lia(r)s, would you please refrain from selective quoting? The adult sections here in our versions of Blockbuster are in separate rooms, no outside displays, with access restrictions. Like ... the sex animations at Bits&Bobs are in a separate room, no outside displays, with access restrictions (in this case the TOS).

Yes you are, but the question is if this was not a big mistake. And the question is: do you really want to take the risk.

Imagine this: You visit a friend on Adult land. You TP into his home and he forgot to adjust the security orb. You get ejected and land in the middle of a bdsm store. Or an orgy going on. Now my question is: do you really want to take this risk? And... the risk that a sneaky reporter makes a picture of you there, to get his next big gossip scope?

Again, the way Lias discusses this is despicable, but there are things to worry about that go beyond: it is within my rights.

Your stance is understood. You will not bend at all. That is why a ban should be put in place and rid the grid of these child avatars that feel they can go anywhere - even if it is broadly offensive.

LL tried negotiating with adfarmers and bot owners - and made rules for them to follow to keep functioning. And they, like you , refuse to bend and continued to purposely offend the public. LL was forced to ban them to control them. And that is the road child avatars are headed down.

When your ilk starts using BDSM equipment on child avatars - AND THEN POST THE PICTURE IN A PG PUBLIC FORUM - you are completely out of touch with common decency and should not be left to cause any more damage than what was caused in the SL child avatar scandal in 2007.

THIS! What about the living room furniture department of your furniture store (if you have one - if not, just imagine having one).

I think you need to be a bit careful extrapolating German conditions in this area to other parts of the world. It is not long since Germany had soft porn magazines with underage girls on sale everywhere, but that was banned after EU pressure.

Also Germany is about to implement some of the strictest legislation in the world in this area, and activities like this can easily lead to Germany blocking out SL from general access in its internet pornography filter.

Of course they are more then welcome there. Hell, I even helped a couple of them in their search for a child bed. But my store is not on adult land, so all avatars are welcome.

Same goes for B&B: if they are on mature land, everyone is entitled to enter that store. And indeed, adult stuff is separated from the rest. So I indeed do not see a problem there. Should they have moved their store to Zindra (I really don't know), in my opinion kid avatars should not go there. And B&B would be smart if they kept a store at PG or Mature land to cater to that public as well

B&B usually had a few outlets - I do not believe they all moved to adult regions. The owner is a reasonable guy and would probably set up a store without the sex animations in it in a non adult area.

That's not Immy's "small child" avatar, genius. Your paranoia is showing. The face may look a little childlike but I'm pretty sure that's her clockwork doll av, which isn't a child av. Much taller; I seen it.

Well what about the Netherlands? Belgium? France? And are the movie rental stores I see in US movies all made up? With their separate room for adult content? Most countries I have been to do have their stores set up like that, there are not THAT many adult-only video stores. Of course I DO know a couple

Anyway, SL <> RL, so the comparison is not that important, but still.

That is a small child with a ball gag in her mouth. Page 47/post #695

I have no problem with taking that (very slight) risk, maybe I'm simply too rational about stuff. I wouldn't forbid minors in that video rental place because the wall to the adult section might fall over, and just for coincidende a "journalist" of the FOX kind might be there to take pictures and do a report about how perverted a) the video rental place is, allowing the wall to break down and b) the minors because they happened to be there when the wall broke down.

Looking at the general picture, I think *all* residents should be much more worried about people like Lia(r)s, Ciera and those "journalists" making up "evidence" themselfs. I haven't seen any child avatar encouraging the child avatar community to go to adult places (meaning: places with actual adult content, not the region rating). However, I saw the defenders of morality to encourage adult avatars to go to pg marked places on adult regions (Zindra infohubs), breaking the no-sex and no-nudity rules there to setup fraudulant AR's against law and TOS abiding residents. *This* is what should worry the residents - nutcases on the lose, with pavlov like bite reflexes worse than a dog with rabies. *Their* actions are much more likely to hurt the whole SL.

I agree with you; and generally-speaking, kid avs -won't- be going there; not on purpose. But that's not enough for Lias; the fact that it's possible at all, even accidentally, is enough to get the pea soup spraying.

Her premise is a little off, though. Sexual activities with child avatars is unquestionably banned from SL; yet according to Lias, that doesn't stop it from happening all the time, constantly. So her solution is to ban all child avatars, even though she herself admits bans are ineffective; i.e., people will still be using child avatars anyway. The only difference at all that this will make is that Lias will be able to AR any child av she sees anywhere, even if they're doing nothing more "broadly offensive" than driving a go-kart. I think that idea really excites her.

I guess you're the expert on such things. I suppose you should consider yourself successfully Immy-trolled in that case.