Something to be Said about Gorean Life

Well nowdays doctors say pedophilia is a psychological problem and people could be cured having a shrink talk them out of it. But I was wondering if in 50's it was just game, like Humbert Humbert would have done.

Alot of Rp'ing communities have been under attack in SL as of late..... Its sad in all honesty. Ageplayers are targeted as are furries and gorean's its rather sad that people feel the need to be intolerant enough to actually attack them in world. I know Gor for a few years not as much as a few people, I've been exposed to it and experienced the community and have had friends involved in it. I make my judgements by what i have personally experienced of the community and what my friends exposures to it have been. And oddly enough this wedding i went to the other week in real life stated almost the same stuff as that article. That a wife is there to serve her husband.

I tend to blame shakespeares success to underage sex in his stories. After all Julia was 13 in the play. This was a little earlier though. In the 50's it was already regarded as a psychological disorder.

As you are thus, I was wondering if this is a psychological problem too, like how in the 50's being gay was seen as one. I mean the act of fantasizing sexual naughtyness with a child and so on as role played in SL, would that be viewed by certain esteemed psychologists to be a mental issue?

Thanks for the reply but I'd sure appreciate it if you'd keep profanities out of it.

I did read all the replies to this thread, including yours, thank you so much

I certainly cannot claim her as one of "my" goreans because the gorean people "I" choose to associate with would never make such a rediculous post regarding children.

I think it was mostly love that Shakespeare wrote, and even in modern plays love plays an important role among early teens. But sex, and certainly that we see in SL, ie., between a visualized adult and a minor of the age 3-5, is that something Shakespeare would have written a love play on? I for one believe Mr. Shakespeare would have believed that type of behavior to be awfully deviant and not up to the standard of British plays at that time.

As I do not have to apologize to a slave, I'd just say that you are missing one of the greatest movies of all times. Go and watch it while it's still in the theater. Oh.. are Goreans allowed to watch movies? They being kinda modern technology and all.

But a Gorean speaking to me of profanity? What beasts! I for one am heating my brand.

I don't watch many movies so am unsure which you are referring to. Could you fill me in, please?

thanks

Here.

Call me old fashioned, but I greatly enjoy taking care of my family and home. I hope the wedding was lovely

Thanks, Lost. I doubt I'll see that one, to be honest. Thriller/Action films are not really my cup of tea.

That, and that in the time the play is set a 14 years old was regarded fit to start a life as an adult. What we see in SL in rare cases - actually none of the child-avis i know engages in virtual sex with virtual adults - is a fantasy taken to the extreme in an environment where no actual minors could be hurt from it ( assuming we are all adults, that is ). It is not necessarily related to something people would do in real life.

Neither is it so common that more than the principal sensibilities of the moral majority are hurt, which is not that grave. I think that the general consens that rl-sex with little children would be despicable should be enough indication that the fall of the oczident is not yet near.

Ummmmmm actually if you wanna to go back into the 1950's...... and what homosexuality was associated with was ruled unconstitutional and pedophelia has nothing to do with this first off. Next we come into that most younger marraige ended after the 1940's due to the boom of births and marriages due to war. At that time it wasnt uncommon for people to get married in their teens and some families still partook in arranged marriages without actually loving the person. At the time things were viewed differently and pedophelia wasnt as well known at the time so its hard to associate that vs what homosexuality was viewed as. You could go back further where it wasnt uncommon for a 9 year old to marry someone over 18 but that age steadily rised over time.

What is viewed as pedophelia now used to be common place in the u.s and was legal then. It is still performed in some area's of the world and this used to be done more out of life expectancy and for trade. They would try to get their daughter into a better family. It is considered a psychological disease these days however and it is. At the time period marriages like that were common it was done out of neccessity rather then anything. I'm just stating what is viewed as wrong now used to be commonplace out of neccessity and when that need dwindled it becamse wrong to do so.

Homesexuals back during this time were seen as wrong and were discriminated against even more then they are today often locked up or sent to see a psychologist. A pedophile can work things out and cure themselves with a shrink and set up a controlled lifestyle so they dont expose themsleves to the urge of doing it. I believe the age of consent back in the 1950's was actually about 12 but i may be mistaken.

Similarly Steven, a play is a fantasy as well, all actors were men and well above the age of consent in Shakespearean plays. There is a lot of fantasized child av sex going on, I would not be that bothered if it was something like a lolita like thing, but the ages they RP is just kinda strange and very disturbing.

The fact that this type of behavior often leaks into RL (see several cases of IRC/yahoo whatever) and people end up hurting kids IRL just to fullfil their fantases is just scary.

It still does not explain why men and women are having these sexual fantasies of children of the ages 3-7.

Never in the history of our world have I known such acts to have happend, till now. In our time, we have had many sick people who have abused, killed and even eaten children these ages.

The times have changed, these people often start off small, often fantasizing and then they go out and hurt a kid. Where everthing ends. This is why I call this whole age-play biz a sickness, a bizarre need to act out the fantasies of a sick perverted pedophile, one who would have hurt real kids, sexual molested them, and maybe even taken their innocent lives.

I would like to ask who, in this forum (besides the age-players) find this to be something other than a sickness? A pervertion ? A totally un-natural deviation that goes beyond anything we could even call acceptable.

The cases on IRC yahoo msn and aim are pedophiles enacting on their urges and actually targeting real life people often in their teens mind you and saying they are the same age as that person and gaining their trust. In those cases its not about RP spilling over into real life. RP in the context of the adult grid is all adults. If a kid is here he should not be. They may play weird ages but its wearing a costume for them and they are not pedophiles for doing such. As stated the fantasy with alot of RP is often the fantasy of the person being dominated. Some people do have a fantasy about dominating other people I'll acknowledge that. But in Ageplay RP with sexual encounters (which by the way is a very small number of the people in the age play group that partake with adults).

I also will state the thing with yahoo and other messenger programs is also a note of a lack of parenting. Tell the kids about people like that if they are going to get online and check up on what they do online or get a firewall and enable a child lock on it so that those types of things cant be accessed.

I think Gors are boring. They act like they are doing something so effing different. How is glorifying female submission different from what has been going on for forever on this planet. And yeah, women enjoy it, because it's how a lot of them are socialized. Men want women to bow to their every whim in real life, so why wouldn't SL be a wacky funhouse mirror of that impulse. Who in their right mind would want to be someone's effing furniture. Not someone with any dignity or self-respect. Be a broken play-thing for all I care. Just don't expect me to have any respect for you. Booooo, pathetic people.

I have stated to you a few times that this here statement "It still does not explain why men and women are having these sexual fantasies of children of the ages 3-7." does not in any way pertain to age players. As explained to you before it is not the adult avatar working out a fantasy it is the person playing the child avatar. Your thinking of it in the opposite context. Their partner is being supportive of them and helping them work out a fantasy of wanting to sexually play a child not working out their own need to have sex with, molest or hurt a child in any way shape or form.

If you look at ageplay from your perspective which is off base of what it really is then yeah its sick. If you take what it really is into account it isnt sick. It may look sick or sound sick but that doesnt give mean you should ban someone for being supportive of their partner and partaking in a fantasy that their partner wanted as playing a child and being dominated by an authority figure in their life. Im not an age player and most people that understand what age play actually is wouldnt view it in the manner that you do. Those that agree with you dont wish to understand or learn what it really is.

I'm sorry but they start out RP'ing then they start out to be predators. They go out and find young people (like many loosed upon SL). There is virtually no differance between SL and yahoo or myspace. Infact, SL is more harmful for a minor than any of those other two places. Where there are working constrains that somewhat keeps the adults from the kids. Here we don't have such things.

This whole RP'ing sickness with kids of ages 3-7, is just mindboggling lame. I do not believe any person would dispute this. You tell me what's the whole fantasy about? Or just just explain what a fantasy is to begin with. What is the goal of a fantasy?

Anyways, I will now stop talking about sick pedophiles, this thread is about Goreans, and I should say I'm happy to know that in no Gorean book or simulation as seen in SL, there is anything to do with pedophiles. Infact they do observe the ages of consent pretty closely. I for one know they would never let a slave RP a minor.

This is off base. A good majority of men are not like this these days anyways. They have dignity and they have their self respect. They chose to submit they were not forced to do so. Its alot like D/S community for them with alot more to it then that. There are male subs in SL as well and some are treated as slaves. Its not about glorifying female submission and i do believe you lack knowledge of what gor is about. Sure they submit but they are in agreement to do so. The community may not be for everyone but thats the beauty of it. You dont actually need to get involved in anything you dont like in real life or in SL you have a choice.

You can decide I'm pathetic if you want, but I know that I am content and happy. I don't need you to have respect for me. I have plenty of self respect and dignity. The fact that I choose to be submissive in one aspect of my life has no impact on the other things in my life. It doesn't make me weak or limit me in any way. It is simply one part of me.

Well that depends. Some fantasies are impossible. Such as sprouting wings and flying about. The goal of a sexual fantasy is to work it out and play those roles. Say for instace a rape fantasy where a burglar breaks in and has their way tying you up (considered bondage to a degree). Now the woman may have her husband dress up as a burglar and then act out this fantasy. The ageplay fantasy is the need to play out the role of a child with an authority figure in your life taking advantage of you be it a teacher, parent or what have you. The partner having the fantasy dresses up as a Child or in SL's case turns into a child (not really different as its an adult behind it) and has their partner play the authority figure they want them to play. This is to work out their sexual wants of playing a child in the sense of the RP itself.

Now a pedophile first off is highly unlikely to target people on this grid as they are actually adults. It sounds strange or sick to you because quite simply you dont understand it. Pedophelia itself is very wrong but ageplay isnt about pedophelia. As i stated numerous times the community outs Pedophiles if they are knowingly involved and are often advocates againt it and child molestation. There are no constraints keeping adults from the kids because quite simply there ARE NOT any kids. And adult cant stroll onto the teen grid and try to pick up a minor plain and simple so there arnt actually any children involved. It'd be different if the main grid stated all ages welcome but they dont and if they find a minor he gets banned or moved to the teen grid.

Its no different to the people partaking in the RP then it is in real life were they are simply dressing up as a child. I've found a great deal of the people i ran into that are in age play groups that partake in sexual encounters are usually playing a lolita or teen role rather then an actual child. The ones usually playing younger children are the ones that are playing like a family type of thing in a non sexual setting.

This could go to what was on about Gor here to. Its not about glorifying rape anything like that. Its a consentual thing between two people one chooses to submit and one chooses to dominate. Its alot like a d/s fantasy but it goes deeper then simple d/s and they play the role of a slave or a master and choose to do such. Also gor is quite often less sexual then a d/s relationship....

I'm not arguing against people's right to do whatever the heck they want. Do it. Have fun. Get off on your un-powerfulness. Rock on.

One part of you that's pathetic.

Its got nothing to do with being powerless or subject to not having self respect nor anything you stated however. Even if your not arguing that your still off base with your thinking. Some people are weak minded your statement could be applied to society as a whole. Most gorean women are stronger then your average woman is and know what they want both in a relationship and sexually.