Something to be Said about Gorean Life

hey! I'm not "needy"!

I havent even been to the gorean areas at least not knowingly I might have flown over accidentally once or twice I think. Is that the area where they have slaves? I think both men and women can be slaves right? Well anyway if its about domination of woman there should also be an area for domination of men lol whats fair is fair . It almost reminds me of going back into the past centuries long ago and experiencing the way women were treated then.Or some kind of fantasy science fiction book. Can you use guns there? Because if any man tried to rape me I would kill him. But I think I will stay in other areas of sl.

Elinah

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Ack...you are right! lol I totally didn't understand that one. Thanks (and thanks, Lost, in the next post, for the visual aid)

They should also include suggestions of leaving bibles at the logon screen and removing large phallic sticks from your rectums before entering any area beyond the Welcome quad in Ahern.

It depends on the people involved as to what business online has blending with offline. However, it is mostly used as a courtesy. If you are in the middle of something, and need to step away from your computer, it is common to say AFK a minute or however you prefer to say it. This lets the person you are interacting with know you are not ignoring them. The slave simply take it a step further by asking permission to do so. I do not always ask permission. It is not always necessary. If I am just sitting there, not really involved yet a group of people are, I'll just go do my thing and come back and scroll. Yes, sometimes I miss being addressed by somebody and I apologize and answer. If it would be interupting to ask permission, I probably will just go. Sometimes, it's appropriate to the situation to ask in an im. It just depends on variables that must be determined at that time.

I hope this helps

I do the asking permission thing with Jamie when I remember because it's part of our dynamic.... but the thing is there are other things that are part of our dynamic too...
Like I know he's not going to tell me no unless it's just to tease me when he knows it isnt interfering with anything important.
He knows if he does tell me no to tease me, I'm going to bitch and moan and whine until he gives in and when I get back we'll be teasing and joking some more.

See you can't judge a relationship by a few words you hear someone say or by anything you are seeing from the outside.

If you were sitting next to us in a room you would hear...
Me: "Nai may I go away a minute to get another coffee?"
Jamie: "I don't know do you think you deserve it?."
Me: "Pleaaaase Nai"


But see what you're not aware of is what's happening in skype this whole time between just the two of us. I'm telling him he's mean, he's laughing at me, I'm laughing, I'm making silly promises... all of that is private.

Me: "Slips back in and *accidentally* splashes coffee on his foot".
Jamie: "Glares at her."

You only see the surface of other people's relationships, you can't know what's really happening with them so how can you judge the right or wrong of it?

Anjaleka, I think the problem people have with this is that it really is an effective means of mind control when abused, especially used with someone who is open and vunerable to this sort of mind game. Yes, it is true that this sort of thing can be used by anyone, not just Gor. However, when it becomes the "norm" or even just an accepted part of that culture, the likelihood of it being abused increases, especially when the "Masters" are not subject to the same kind of "training" as the Slaves. It opens the door to any random parasite who wants to mess with the heads of vunerable, submissive people, who are involved in a roleplay or lifestyle community that is quite closed off from the rest, insular and yes, dogmatic. That sort of environment can be very immersive, to the point where people easily lose sense of reality. It is much easier for that sort of person to find those that they can control or abuse and take advantage of them, in such a place.

Aye.

Here it is in short form.


Would you want to mix Dungeons and Dragons with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints? Didn't think so.

thanks for the Cliff Notes, Corvus!

I'll also add that I've heard of too many women, who have no experience whatsoever with D/s or being a submissive going into Gorean sims. They are the most vunerable, to me, because they have no frame of reference, no experience and no understanding of what is and is not normally "acceptable behavior" other than "you asked for it, you got it, your choice". This isn't to say that any random self-proclaimed "Dom/me" can't latch onto them and fuck with their heads. But. That is just one person, we are talking about entire private sims dedicated to a very intense "lifestyle" or roleplay with little or no deviation allowed, and a whole immersion/training process that is required.

I dont' know who Jamie is but it sounds like he or she is rather close to you. That is one thing.

Quite another to be told, as I was, that I was to do that with anyone who presented themselves as a Free (dominant).

Would you ask permission like that of a stranger? Just curious.

I think that's key. Most peopl ewho come into SL to explore themselves sexually are doing exactly that. While some of us are RL Dom(me)s and Submissives, most are just exploring that part of themselves. Those people are susceptible to the manipulation prevalent with Gor Masters and feel that they've trapped themselves into something, or that since this is how they are being trained it must be the only right way so they are wrong for being upset.

No llamas. That's gor's problem. No llamas.

Jamie is my Master, my partner, my lover, my friend.. He is my Nai (my name for him meaning Master).

Here's the thing, as a submissive you do get to make decisions for yourself. No I personally would not ask permission for anything from anyone else but I wouldn't tell another submissive that he or she must do it my way. That is something they decide for themselves. Yes there are places where the dominants make the rules and the submissives follow them, but you see the submissives are still choosing whether or not to stay and follow those rules. If they are not comfortable with it then they find someplace less strict where they are more comfortable. The thing about Gor is that it can be very strict in many ways, but people who participate in that are doing it because it is what they want. If they don't want it they go elsewhere. Often those who want a more relaxed environment will find their way to places like our sim where people of all styles mix and decide on their own rules for behavior.

I like to pester the masters of gorean sims.

They go wild when they see a girl with loads of piercings and tats.
They instantly IM me to ask me if i have a master...if i want to be their sub.

And then I enjoy the feeling that i have the power to say no and to turn them down.

I don't mean to sound imflammatory, but I wonder at the 'gorean masters' who ask you to be their 'sub'.

Yes, it's true we don't see many piercings/tattoos in gorean sims beyond the norm. In the books, having pierced ears was the mark of a slave. Gorean girls would rather have their noses pierced than their ears, as it meant they had no hope of ever being freed. A nose ring was nothing and could be easily hidden. With the influx of other influences online, we see a variety of piercings on girls that one would not find in the books. Tattoos fall into that same category, though men certainly do have them. Not many women. That's one thing I like about SL...there is some fantastically beautiful artwork out there as tattoos. I'd love to see yours some time.

This is true. I wish people (on both sides) would slow down a bit before collaring or accepting a collar. Learning about gor and how to go about in gorean sims DOES take some time. I agree that women with no frame of reference are vunerable because they simply are unable to comprehend the mindset and what is going on. That can often be fixed with time and communication but not always. Some just simply do not belong in a gorean situation because they mentally cannot handle it. It's very hard to tell these people that though. It's a delicate situation that requires some tact as to not damage (for lack of a better word) their mental state further.

Something about this doesn't sit well with me. I guess I'm reading into it here that Gor can only be bad if someone is emotionally weak, and that's something I disagree with. I don't know if that's what you mean, or if it's something I'm just adding to it myself. So, am I off on that?

I guess it's like saying, "Emotional abuse is bad only if you're weak." It can only cause the most damage if you're weak, true, but the abuse in and of itself is bad.

Again, not saying that everyone in Gor is abusive. As I've said before, most aren't. It's my perception that Gor can be a haven for those who are that I'm speaking of.

This thread would last till the end.

Why not, it makes sense. Let's start an ageplay one, too.

I understand what you are saying, Lorelei, and see how my words might be taken that way. That is not what I meant at all. I was simply agreeing with you that women who come into gorean sims with no frame of reference were more vunerable to the mental abuse of goobers than perhaps a woman who does know a bit about it. For myself personally, I know enough about gor and my inner self as a submissive woman to tell those goobers to take a hike! Not everybody has the body of knowledge that I do nor the self awareness to be able to tell when they are being played or not. Does that make sense? Sorry if my earlier post caused confusion.

Women of all mental strengths can certainly fall prey to these people (men and women alike!!) and their emotional attacks. I acknowledge that and agree with you there too! I try to talk to people whenever I can and hopefully offer some education about what is and is not gor to help arm potential participants (in gorean sims) with the power and knowledge they need to learn to tell the difference for themselves.

Thanks for the chance to explain without attacks I am enjoying this opportunity!

And a furry one too! Hmm we've not done a furry one for a while.. how about a gangster one (i think the ebonics thread would do for that)

Yep, I thought I might have been seeing my own bias there. Thanks



Yeah, that's why I'm sensative. I was in a situation like that when I was 19 (which is to say, eons ago) and not in Gor. That's why I'm hypervigilant about such things in all settings, Gor or not. But anyway, one of the most hurtful things to come out of that was the notion some people had that I must have been asking for it or that "just leaving" would be as easy as getting off the couch to turn the channel.