Something to be Said about Gorean Life

To All


The Point of my Post was not to flare tempers. The point was to get a respons to what I said. I am aware that my grammer is awful. I am in need of a spellcherkcer yes. I stood on a soapbox and made myself sound foolish. I was wrong for this. I will restate me Post. Perhaps I will get a better answears.


I was shocked to see the treatment of a female in a gorean sim. I fail to see the draw to some people to that kind of play. I find the domantion, rape, and abuse of women to be an awful thing. I submit this question, befor I submit it,I want to make it clear. First and For most I UNDERSTAND that it is a game any one at any time can leave. and that it is not rape in the true sense of the word. I am not agaist the Goreans or there style of roleplay.



I have worked for a number of years as a soical worker. I served in the US Navy as a officer attached to the Chaplains office. I am a rape consular in the town that I live in. I work with BOTH men and woman who have been abused in a sexual manner. Rape Fantasy and the roleplay of rape disturbs me. I see the results of such things in the real world. My question is this. Are there childrend in the world of Gor? If so are those Childrend also used for there sexual pleasure? If the gorean sims are willing to explore the domantion, rape, and abuse of woman, why are they so agaist letting some explore there fantasy of child rape, domanation, and abuse? After all it is Fantasy and a game were consecnting Adults engaging in roleplay? This is the question I ask.

You're missing the point: the roleplay is *consensual*, and therefore not rape.

They do think about it. Its why they are sick in the head.

obviously you do not even understand what Gor is. you seem to be so perfectly fit that you can judge anothers choices. why dont you try investigating what Gor is before you throw in a judgement. btw... im not gorean but i dont believe anyone has the right to judge another, ever, dont like it, stay away

You do understand the difference between Gor, rape, and reality, right?

I've had the shit beaten out of me and I was raped, and I can assure you, I had no fucking off button there.

I'm tired of you idiots who can't distinguish between RL and fantasy.

At least educate yourself before making abusive comments.

Yawnz.

i really have to wonder what you actually know about Gor. just what you assume? perhaps you should learn more about it before you hoist yourself up on that soapbox. ^-^

I agree

If it's role playing someones fantasy (in a way, concentual ) then I figure that's ok, but RL rape is NOT ok ever

It's just a fantasy. Rape fantasies are very common among both men and women, but more common among women.

That doesn't mean that women who have rape fantasies want to be raped in real life, nor that they don't understand how traumatic it would be in real life. It's just a fantasy, and fantasies are controllable, real life is not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_fantasy

http://www.deviantdesires.com/askme/rape.html

i am not gor and i disagree that is not all awhat gor is as ive done unbiased research to understand my peers. i am not interested in it myself.
and having insight to real world womens minds about this topic.
rape is a terrible thing that steals away your life if you let it. it is about power, and in many cases the WILLING PARTICIPANT of this roleplay has been raped in RL. some use this exercise to take back thier power. i wont gte into the levels of pyschology there. but there are pyschological subs, for some this behaviopr is destructive for some it is constructive, some of us learn and grow and deal this way. I understand the levels of social indicatiuon this gives. i mean if its so accepted here are we condoing it in rl..well look around. Ive problty not met more than a handfull of women in RL whove not been abused. I think this opens awareness and makes people think. the issue of rape has been ignored in societys for centrys. and of men too, men do get raped, and in ro0le play too.
i couldnt answer your poll, because it left out too many options and was too narrow a device for such a complex issue.

I Understand what I have seen with my time exploring those sims. Women are worthless. Women Are sex toys. Its ok to abuse those who are Female. Men Rule and can do what they wish when they Wish with any Female. Roleplay or Not in my line of work I see the victums of men who think like that. Don't get me wrong I think that Sl is a perfect place to explore that side of yourself. if some one can tell me what Gor is about Please post and let me know if I am wrong about Gor being about nothing more than the Rape Abuse and Domnation of women

I'm going to skip the whole pixel-not-person argument. I'll take it as understood that you know anyone can immediatly stop anything in SL by hitting the X in the upper right or by teleporting out.

I'd be interested in knowing what your counseling credentials are.

Maybe all you've said is true, but you know what? A lot of people, both men and women, fantasize about rape. For them, it is likely a lot about power, but for them, it is also about sexuality.

Whatever it's about, thoughts are not wrong. For that matter, thoughts are not right. Thoughts are neutral. It would worry me if someone calling themselves a counselor would tell a person that their thought is good or bad.

Actions can be right/wrong/good/bad.



Please send me a list in-world of all Goreans held there against their will and you and I can do something about that.



Under this name? Or another?



I also wonder if you've taken the time to talk to the men in women in Gor sims about what they do, why they enjoy it and what they think about it. Have you?

I've played in Gor, too, and I no longer do. I also had concerns about some of the people. I saw some controling behaviors I didn't wish to be around, so I absented myself. It wasn't everyone. Heck, I wouldn't even say it is most. But those that do have some troubling behaviors sure won't be helped by anything you've said here.



I suppose you think making people feel guilty for thoughts is a good idea, counselor?

Well Kelly it looks like you stuck a nerve with some of the Goreans.

I think it is YOU who missed the point!

Yea this is pretty much destined to get ugly, but you knew that when you posted it.

Try to get your title right, hun.
As far as this goes in reality I have seen it and no - it is never right.
However this is NOT reality and is a role play environment.
Sometimes it is enjoyable to be in a unsafe environment as it causes an adrenaline rush in its own right. However that being said, it is consensual in SL.
Anyone can easily break their bonds, teleport out of a situation, or simply stop the scenario.
This can allow safe exploration of situations that you would never want to experience in reality.
Gor players have an outlet for their fantasies, so be it.
Just because I can wear elf ears in SL does not mean I want surgery in RL to become one.
The same can be said for any fantasy. A fantasy does not lead to an action - that is a decision.
In reality I would love to see any person prosecuted to the extent of the law for violation of another person. This is a game, keep it in perspective.
Keep reality where it belongs, let fantasy reign where it can.

Please, by all means, show me the way.

I've had some "negative" experiences in my life...some of them were while I was quite young. While being "gun-shy" you learn that not every man is a monster; in the same vein, not every Gorean employs shocking behavior. As one poster pointed out, it is consentual and there are safe words should the role play get out of hand for one of the persons involved.

While I am not Gorean and really have no desire to participate in that style of play, I don't condemn any Gorean simply because that's what they're into. That's their thing, I do my thing - I leave them alone, they leave me alone.
<shrug>



PS I do know a couple that's into that style of play and they happen to be very nice people.

getting hot of of others suffering is the point of it dosent matter if no one is really suffering the thing that makes it hot to them is the fact that the person is in pain so it is WRONG and i hope that someday everything you have ever imaged painfully done to someone for sexual pleasure is done to you yourself

I'm not gorean myself, but I do have an understanding of it. Importantly, Gor:

is not fantasy rape.

is not getting hot off of other's suffering.

is consensual roleplay.

It's not "cousaler" or "councilor" (unless you mean someone on a city council).

Counselor.

*looks at subject* eh.. here we go again. this place is a regular troll bridge.

There can be no such thing as true rape in Second Life, as both participants always have a choice. They CHOOSE to be in that sim at that time, and they CHOOSE to continue in the scene. While I'm not into Gor, and know very little about it, the very nature of Second Life makes non-consentual sex impossible, as at any time, either participant can end the encounter by warping home or just disconnecting, and comming back a few minutes later pretending nothing ever happened. In real life, women can't do that. They are FORCED to submit to the will of their attacker. They have no way out, and all they can do is just hang on and pray that they survive the encounter. As the original poster said, rape is about victimization by removing control through forced domination. As both parties are always in full control of the scenario and able to stop at any time, there can be, by definition, no such thing as rape in Second Life. All that "rape" in this game is, is a roleplayed scenario between two consenting adults who take pleasure, sexual or not, in the illusion of total control or removal thereof. Real life rape is a dark, sinister, evil, inexcusable act. I personally find it abhorrant that a "Rape cousaler" would have the gall to compare the two so haphazardly.