Something to be Said about Gorean Life
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Conan Godwin
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08-23-2006 14:26
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/consensualMain Entry: con·sen·su·al Pronunciation: k&n-'sen(t)-sh(&  w&l, -sh&l, -shü-&l Function: adjective Etymology: Latin consensus + English -al 1 : existing or made by mutual consent without an act of writing <a consensual contract> 2 : involving or based on mutual consent <consensual acts> - con·sen·su·al·ly adverb
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Aithne Thatcher
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08-23-2006 14:27
From: Carline Ratelle Just as their are religious nuts trying to push their lifestyle as the "proper way". Come on Dmitri, generalizing is a bad way to make an arguement. this one has to say, she thinks the religious nuts are far worse..*shudder*
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Lorelei Patel
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08-23-2006 14:27
Actually, the consentual definition on dictionary.com referred only to a legal term, not one in common everyday usage.
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mirhanda Tal
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08-23-2006 14:29
From: Selene Gregoire Hate to break it to you but they did. I snipped out all that coding. But you left out where your source says "[Origin: consent + -al1, with -u- after consensual, or by assoc. with phonetically similar accentual, eventual, etc.] " And if you click on the word "consensual" you'll see the definition "1. formed or existing merely by consent: a consensual transaction." When I searched for the nonstandard spelling "consentual" on m-w.com I got this: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/consentualThe word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search box to the right. Suggestions for consentual: 1. conventual 2. consensual 3. conceptual 4. concession 5. consolation 6. Conception 7. concessions 8. conceptually 9. conceptional 10. conations 11. consensually
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Marcuw Schnook
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08-23-2006 14:29
From: Dmitri Polonsky Number one, from birth no one likes pain nor do they like being dominated. This is all the result of conditioning and trainging them to like it by some very twisted and pathetic individuals who are so weak minded they are in complete fear of not contrlling everything aoround them. As far as thier sense of reality sems to me you're illustrating the pot caling the ketle black. As stated in my other response this method of "trolling" new slaves, especially breaking up families through the use of the internet as a venue for glorifying something horible is quite common. Remember, a Coral snake is beautiful too, however it is deadly. Now then as far as those who will espouse a "natural order" of male dominance, obviously they ahve never sen what an alpha female wolf does to ANY male, including the alpha if he tries breeding her out of season. In nature male female roles, while diferent, are complimentary adn equal. Anything less would ensure demise of the species. Wow... an eyeopener... Another one who cannot see beyond his own box of ultimate and only truths. time for a wake-up call a) there ARE people who like to be in pain. If not for real, then still in fantasy. That is both RL and/or RP. You make assumptions about something you know nothing about. b) for the same there are people who like to give pain. c) this goes also for people having D/s relations, FemDom, Diaper-fetishes, age-play, pp and so on... Some things you are TOUGHT that are dirty, but why? Because of the "common nature of the herd: humanity"... Like being peed/scatting on by someone?: yuck, unheard of. You are sick if yuo do it. So you are labelled a sicko/pervert and should get some mental health? No. If you like that kind of things and do it in private (not public) then who is to judge them? Not you or me. As for me calling the kettle black, me being the pot I dont understand. I'm not glorifying RL Rape, slavery or anything else. I'm only putting things in PERSPECTIVE. But if you can even make that distinction, every discussion about it with you is moot.
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Mewkas Pyle
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Gor from a real Goreans POV
08-23-2006 14:30
I am not surprised that this topic has come up. I do find it disturbing that there are some that think rape is the entire basis of this lifestyle.Especially here in SL. Yes I said Lifestyle. I live as close to the books as is humanly possible in my first life. I also am a character in SL Gor. I can say without a doubt or error that I have NEVER been raped in either realm by a Gorean Male. I HAVE however been raped IRL by nonGorean vermin. I have been killed twice by Gorean Males because of my actions but NEVER raped. The ONLY way for nonconcentual sex/rape to happen in SL is ......  Aww hell, you can't rape the willing so this isn't even a real situation. Why would anyone even WANT to rape anyone in SL when there are true sluts/ sex slaves/ pleasure slaves/ unrestricted slaves/ coin sluts to use whenever One wants?? Just makes no sense to me or any other Gorean that actually follows RP rules for that type action. That said I do think there needs to be addressed one thing along this same line. People coming into the SL Gor sims that are there just to "rape" a slave need to realise that the Masters don't take kindly to their property being violated and it can and will get your character tortured/ killed and/or banned forever from that sim. We are all pretty closely tied so going from one to another will eventually get you banned from every Gor site on SL. I suggest you follow the rules and ask permission before just coming in and taking what you want. Role play things properly and You never know what might happen if you ask Mew wishes Y/you all well and hope to see Y/you REAL soon! 
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jelvon Jacques
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08-23-2006 14:31
Collins Cobuild Advanced learner's English Dictionary only has one spelling for consensual and that's consensual
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Vera Vernon
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08-23-2006 14:31
From: Aithne Thatcher *giggles* this one is a fennec fox as well as a slave in sl, but she is far from that in RL. Thanks hun. Not into the Gorean thing at all....but if others wish to indulge, then good luck to them. I see myself as an intelligent dominatrix....lol
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Carline Ratelle
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08-23-2006 14:32
From: Selene Gregoire Hate to break it to you but they did. con‧sent /kənˈsɛnt/ Pronunciation Key]Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation]Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuh n-sent] Pronunciation Key]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation]Show IPA Pronunciation –verb (used without object) 1.to permit, approve, or agree; comply or yield (often fol. by to or an infinitive): He consented to the proposal. We asked her permission, and she consented. 2. Archaic. to agree in sentiment, opinion, etc.; be in harmony. –noun 3.permission, approval, or agreement; compliance; acquiescence: He gave his consent to the marriage. 4.agreement in sentiment, opinion, a course of action, etc.: By common consent he was appointed official delegate. 5. Archaic. accord; concord; harmony. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=consent Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source new! con‧sen‧tu‧al /kənˈsɛn tʃu əl/ Pronunciation Key]Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation]Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuh n-sen-choo-uh l] Pronunciation Key]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation]Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective Law. involving or carried out by mutual consent: a consentual divorce. It is NOT spelled with two s's. [/u][/u][/u][/u][/u][/u][/u][/u] http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=consensualYou go to your dictionary, I will go to mine.
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Aithne Thatcher
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08-23-2006 14:35
From: Mewkas Pyle I am not surprised that this topic has come up. I do find it disturbing that there are some that think rape is the entire basis of this lifestyle.Especially here in SL. Yes I said Lifestyle. I live as close to the books as is humanly possible in my first life. I also am a character in SL Gor. I can say without a doubt or error that I have NEVER been raped in either realm by a Gorean Male. I HAVE however been raped IRL by nonGorean vermin. I have been killed twice by Gorean Males because of my actions but NEVER raped. The ONLY way for nonconcentual sex/rape to happen in SL is ......  Aww hell, you can't rape the willing so this isn't even a real situation. Why would anyone even WANT to rape anyone in SL when there are true sluts/ sex slaves/ pleasure slaves/ unrestricted slaves/ coin sluts to use whenever One wants?? Just makes no sense to me or any other Gorean that actually follows RP rules for that type action. That said I do think there needs to be addressed one thing along this same line. People coming into the SL Gor sims that are there just to "rape" a slave need to realise that the Masters don't take kindly to their property being violated and it can and will get your character tortured/ killed and/or banned forever from that sim. We are all pretty closely tied so going from one to another will eventually get you banned from every Gor site on SL. I suggest you follow the rules and ask permission before just coming in and taking what you want. Role play things properly and You never know what might happen if you ask Mew wishes Y/you all well and hope to see Y/you REAL soon!  you said it friend! this one has been trying to say that pretty much but some will never get the point even if you hit them on the head with it.
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Io Zeno
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08-23-2006 14:35
Rape and Gor in the same thread, I'm tellin' ya folks this forum is gonna go out with a BANG, I hope the grid never comes up!
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Vera Vernon
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08-23-2006 14:35
While on this subject.....Has anyone been to Hard Alley? This is a forced sex area. I have teetered around there in my heels on a couple of times....the sex is there if you want it.....and there is the point...if you want it. The slaves are in the same position, so to speak, and can tp out whenever they wish. They don't as a rule as they like the role play. Remember this is SL, not RL......vERA
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Syrrh Hurnung
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08-23-2006 14:36
This thread makes me really uncomfortable.
I mean, I can't tell if I'm supposed to be relieved that it's not another 'OMG! Ageplayers!', or dismayed that it's exactly the same thing, with barely any context change for the wording.
Moral outrage in SL is the shittiest Mad-Lib I've ever seen. I know there's no way to stop the weekly protester from flying off the handle, but can we at least get some different categories in here? Maybe some plywood cube haters? Or AI-rights activists pushing for improved treatment of Xcite! bits?
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Lost Newcomb
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08-23-2006 14:36
From: Aithne Thatcher Like you said, roleplay.. they can leave anytime they wish via tp if they don't like it. Or they can log off of sl as well if they don't like what is happening.. Yeah but sadly, they log off and kill themselves, IRL. (In real life) or off their kids. It has happend among many IRC Gorean communities. Don't lie to yourself that Gorean woman arn't the most super depressed women in SL.
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Aithne Thatcher
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08-23-2006 14:37
From: Vera Vernon Thanks hun. Not into the Gorean thing at all....but if others wish to indulge, then good luck to them.
I see myself as an intelligent dominatrix....lol there are domanant females in gor too as well as males. They are called Mistresses.  and this one doesn't mind that you are not into the gor thing, most of her friends are not either.
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Coyote Momiji
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08-23-2006 14:38
From: Lost Newcomb Yeah but sadly, they log off and kill themselves, IRL. (In real life) or off their kids. It has happend among many IRC Gorean communities. Don't lie to yourself that Gorean woman arn't the most super depressed women in SL. Sources please.
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Aithne Thatcher
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08-23-2006 14:40
From: Lost Newcomb Yeah but sadly, they log off and kill themselves, IRL. (In real life) or off their kids. It has happend among many IRC Gorean communities. Don't lie to yourself that Gorean woman arn't the most super depressed women in SL. they are not.. this one is one of them. and this one has a kid in rl and would never dream of doing anything to hurt them. for you to say that without knowing someone for sure is just wrong, please stop putting everyone into your little mold. simply because someone who should not be doing it in the first place had something bad happen, it does not mean everyone else is like that.
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Vera Vernon
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08-23-2006 14:40
From: Lost Newcomb Yeah but sadly, they log off and kill themselves, IRL. (In real life) or off their kids. It has happend among many IRC Gorean communities. Don't lie to yourself that Gorean woman arn't the most super depressed women in SL. Wow, what a generalization......*shakes her head and puts on whore clothes*
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Mewkas Pyle
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08-23-2006 14:41
From: Lost Newcomb Yeah but sadly, they log off and kill themselves, IRL. (In real life) or off their kids. It has happend among many IRC Gorean communities. Don't lie to yourself that Gorean woman arn't the most super depressed women in SL. Got any proof of this to back up your statement? I just happen to be a VERY happy Gorean female. Most of the ones I know are too so before you start making head up the ass statements, you MIGHT want to get to know more than one. 
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Aithne Thatcher
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08-23-2006 14:41
From: Vera Vernon While on this subject.....Has anyone been to Hard Alley? This is a forced sex area. I have teetered around there in my heels on a couple of times....the sex is there if you want it.....and there is the point...if you want it. The slaves are in the same position, so to speak, and can tp out whenever they wish. They don't as a rule as they like the role play. Remember this is SL, not RL......vERA this one has said that a few times.. they don't seem to get it.
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Hiro Queso
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08-23-2006 14:41
From: Vera Vernon puts on whore clothes* a/s/l?
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Marcuw Schnook
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08-23-2006 14:42
From: Coyote Momiji I think it was more for the third-person slavespeech earlier, Marcuw, though I'm genuinely impressed by anyone who can grasp English after being educated in another language. I understand that, but still... As that person explained, she has a complete other RL mindset. Being able to write in "lesser perfect" grammar sentences is an art too. It works both ways. But the point I was trying to make, is that that aspect is overseen by a lot of people.
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Connor Nico
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08-23-2006 14:42
I think people are making a lot assumptions about the "Rape" in gorean sims and in the Gor books without actual knowledge of how it was presented.
Norman objectifies the Slave Girl into a woman who is sexually arroused to the extreme by there mere thought of a Gorean Male. Thus even when she is raped she not only consents but orgasms and enjoys it.
The slave girls in the books do not wish rape but its more for the fact they would prefer sex with Masters they find more desirable. When the Men they didnt want actually approach them they are willing and aroused. Of course real women are not like that. Real men arent like the Goreans in the books either. Its more a distillation of the biological function of sex, since the author wants to prove his point that the relationships between men and women suffer by the adoption of masculine traits by women or the denial of a man's masculine ones.
Not only are the rapes in Second Life Gor not really rapes, but most of the "rape/slave rape" occuring in the Gorean novels arent even fictional depictions of rape. Now everyone may disagree and decry all this nonsense on the author of Gor's part, but to claim that SL Goreans are glorifying rape as we define it in Modern America is incorrect.
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Marcuw Schnook
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08-23-2006 14:42
From: Lorelei Patel Oh Marcuw, it had nothing to do with you and everything to do with the Gorean practice of kajirae referring to themselves in the third person. I'd never ridicule someone for not mastering a second language, as I've never been able to do the same myself. I know. It's not part of Gor books, but it has grown due to the online experiences, mainly IRC as far as I know. But it got it's own life and is now (or becoming) "defacto" for Gor and D/s societies (mostly virtual, but I can imagine RL too  )
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Aithne Thatcher
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08-23-2006 14:43
From: Mewkas Pyle Got any proof of this to back up your statement? I just happen to be a VERY happy Gorean female. Most of the ones I know are too so before you start making head up the ass statements, you MIGHT want to get to know more than one.  sissypoo! *snuggles*
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