Something to be Said about Gorean Life

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You're missing the point: the roleplay is *consensual*, and therefore not rape.

Well Rape is still forced unconsensual sex and if people believe it's ok anywhere I feel they are seriously screwed up in the head. Real or make believe worlds.

AND as stated, If Gor (thanks for the correction) is 'consensual' then catagorizing consensual sex as rape is an incorrect thing to do. It's either rape or consensual sex - it can't be both!

I am not depressed....
Maybe I am...
No I am not...
Shit thinking about being depressed has depressed me.. NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO SAY depressed online or RP it anymore. *stamps foot*

What a person can do or not do here in SL is also a reflection of what they are capible of in RL. If a person can rape here... then they are capible and probaly desire to rape another in RL. A person that is a master here and treats others like dirt, is alos caplible and probably wants to in RL.
Those people are lying to anyone as well as themselves if they think even if they refuse to treat other people with respect and as equals here ... that they are not like that in RL. Here they can live out their sick fantasies and prey on others that are not strong enough to stand up to them.

To All


The Point of my Post was not to flare tempers. The point was to get a respons to what I said. I am aware that my grammer is awful. I am in need of a spellcherkcer yes. I stood on a soapbox and made myself sound foolish. I was wrong for this. I will restate me Post. Perhaps I will get a better answears.


I was shocked to see the treatment of a female in a gorean sim. I fail to see the draw to some people to that kind of play. I find the domantion, rape, and abuse of women to be an awful thing. I submit this question, befor I submit it,I want to make it clear. First and For most I UNDERSTAND that it is a game any one at any time can leave. and that it is not rape in the true sense of the word. I am not agaist the Goreans or there style of roleplay.



I have worked for a number of years as a soical worker. I served in the US Navy as a officer attached to the Chaplains office. I am a rape consular in the town that I live in. I work with BOTH men and woman who have been abused in a sexual manner. Rape Fantasy and the roleplay of rape disturbs me. I see the results of such things in the real world. My question is this. Are there childrend in the world of Gor? If so are those Childrend also used for there sexual pleasure? If the gorean sims are willing to explore the domantion, rape, and abuse of woman, why are they so agaist letting some explore there fantasy of child rape, domanation, and abuse? After all it is Fantasy and a game were consecnting Adults engaging in roleplay? This is the question I ask.

We're all capable of monstrous acts, though.

I've gone to Rausch and shot people. Does that mean I'm likely to IRL?

BINGO! Give the girl a prize!

Ok now let's take it a little further. It is consensual sex and while the consensual sex is happening one or more of the people is imagining that it is not consensual. They are imagining. Pretending.

If while I am having consensual sex with my partner, I happen to be imagining that he is in fact the Sean Connery version of James Bond... I'm not having a secret affair, I am imagining.

If while I am having consensual sex with my partner I happen to be imagining that we are in the middle of the floor of the public library with an audience watching.... I am not disturbing the peace and in need of being arrested, I am imagining.

If while I am having consensual sex with my partner I happen to be imaging that he has me pinned down and is forcing me to submit to him.... I am not a helpless victim, I am imagining.

The imagination is a wonderful thing. It allows us to explore things in our minds we know we shouldn't in the physical world.

So which is better... To allow ourselves the freedom to express ourselves inside the safe confines of our own minds... or to stifle it, declare ourselves sick and ignore that part of ourselves and hope it just goes away?

O.O!! somebody actually understands!! it's a miricale!! whoohooo!!

We're all capable of monstrous acts, though.

I've gone to Rausch and shot people. Does that mean I'm likely to IRL?

:giggles: Amazing huh?

What a person can do or not do here in SL is also a reflection of what they are capible of in RL. If a person can rape here... then they are capible and probaly desire to rape another in RL. A person that is a master here and treats others like dirt, is alos caplible and probably wants to in RL.
Those people are lying to anyone as well as themselves if they think even if they refuse to treat other people with respect and as equals here ... that they are not like that in RL. Here they can live out their sick fantasies and prey on others that are not strong enough to stand up to them.

If a person can rape here...

If a person can rape here... then they are capible and probaly desire to rape another in RL.

Don't forget the vampires in the Transylvania sim. They forcably bite people! All biting is evil! They even do it in real life too! We must irradicate them! Grab you're torches and pitchforks!

We're all capable of monstrous acts, though.

I've gone to Rausch and shot people. Does that mean I'm likely to IRL?

About as much as the Master that sliced mew up with His sword yesterday... And I cannot IRL see Him doing that... Course... He DOES swing a mean kurt....

I Understand what I have seen with my time exploring those sims. Women are worthless. Women Are sex toys. Its ok to abuse those who are Female. Men Rule and can do what they wish when they Wish with any Female. Roleplay or Not in my line of work I see the victums of men who think like that. Don't get me wrong I think that Sl is a perfect place to explore that side of yourself. if some one can tell me what Gor is about Please post and let me know if I am wrong about Gor being about nothing more than the Rape Abuse and Domnation of women

Hello concerned official poster, I am still in the progress of reading this post but I had to take time to write about what I see on the subject.

I'm a male, and I believe women should be treated well, even better than males. Why? They are the more gentle gender of the human race, something all men should realize. Women should be treated like queens, like flowers, gently and with a lot of care and you can make them bloom. Support the one you love. If you fail to see this, as a MAN, you are NOT A MAN. You are an animal and same rules that apply to animals should apply to you. A real man treats a woman with respect.

Men who treat women badly are probably men who lack personality and lack charisma, and replace it with violence. Lucky for them, some females that are extremely sensitive and gentle and can hardly stand up for themselves submit to these type of men. "It's easier to just give up." I am talking about real life Gor, not only SL. I know the subject is about SL Gor roleplay, but to understand the whole subject you need to understand that Gor is pretty real, and people do that stuff in reality aswell. Women have probably been raped, molested, abused and probably killed, in the name of Gor. Everyone should know that when people do submissive / dominative and dangerous bondage, people have died in the process of it. Because the other partner decides to "take it all the way".

What is Gor? Gor is a fantasy novel series made by a sick, sick man named John Norman:
http://www.strangewords.com/archive/gor.html

Why can I call him sick? Because he describes women as slaves, toys and things made for men. That IS sick, it doesn't matter from which angle you look at it, mistreatment is wrong, because it goes against human nature. Would you like to be sexually raped against your will or treated like scum? Would you? And I point at the gorean men who read this post.

"Hah, what makes you think YOUR morals are better than MY MORALS?"

Sorry to say, there are universal rules amongst our race. If you can't see them probably because you are blinded by your own ego, thinking your own ruleset is superior to the rest.

"Goreans should be left alone. They do not bother others at all!"

Not true. I've seen goreans publicly (on mature SIMs yes) roleplay their "slave and master" games, which should not be allowed at all since it offends people who do not condone their way of thinking. I think SL has alot of illegal stuff flowing through it as we speak because the Lindens don't seem to awknoledge it or people haven't bothered? SL just isn't that big of a community yet to matter?

In any case, I'll summarize:

- Gor is a fantasy novel series made by a twisted freak. A nobody, and now people follow his ideals. It fits them. Mostly men are the ones who push it onto women, saying "it's how it says in our 'Bible' (actually in their 'bibles')!" Women submit since they are either weak, or probably enjoy it. Most of the females who are into Gor have been molested or raped in their real life. I think Gors are fine, just keep it out of the publics eye please. Thank you.

- Gor in SL is harmless, they are ROLEPLAYERS, nothing more than geeks. They have no real power over the females there. It's harmless. If they can't do it in SL, they'd do it in IRC channels, MSNs etc.

- Not all goreans are "deeply into it". Most think it's just a "side" of them, they explore it and play with it. That's it. Not all goreans take it to the soul. Also note that bondage isn't Gor, and submissive / domnative isn't Gor. Gor is it's own path.

- Gor is not real. It's like Peter Pan and Neverneverland. All fiction, sick fiction by John Norman the author.

- If you don't like Gor, don't go to their SIMs!! Stay away!! If you see them roleplay their slavery games elsewhere, you can report it as abusive and harassing behaviour. We have rules and all should abide by them.

- We are all humans and we all have a value in this life. Everyone should be treated equally, no matter what. Goreans don't, that's because they have their own beliefs. Leave them alone if you disagree with them, simple as that. We should respect them and let them have their fun.



Links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gor

Gor Sites:
http://www.worldofgor.com/gor.asp
http://www.gor-on-earth.com/
http://www.geocities.com/gorean_community/gorone.html

Note most of the sites above are not objective. They defend Gor as some kind of religion. "We are right!" and also note goreans tend to lie aswell. They do NOT want you to know that it's all just for getting women to be slaves at start. They basically lure people to their cult (yes, goreans ARE A CULT).

Sorry for my bad english. English is my 2nd language. And note some stuff written here are purely my own oppinions. Feel free to comment, goreans. I wanna hear from them the most.

You Goreans are asking me if Gorean slaves are depressed or not? Get real guys.

One triat you and to a lesser extent D/s Doms/Dommes look in women they wish to enslave is how depressed and lead-able a woman is. Ie. how easy is it to subdue her with crap etc.

The Gorean doms in SL are also to a certain extent involved in this. They have a psychological depedency, on each other. Due to their level of depression. Yes the whole Gor in SL (and IRC which I knew) consists mostly of men who are depressed and some women who are majorly depressed, so depressed that they SHOULD NOT be playing the stupid game.

Suggestions and stuff rendered in SL often manifest in RL, which leads to a point where suicide seems the reasonable way out or bodily harm. If none of you have heard how violent/harassing the IRC Gorean community became towards the end of 90's then you know nothing of Gorean history.

There was one slave, who's neck was tired by a sheet while she slept drunk, to the bumper of a car outside her door. The Dom (who was mad at her not washing his house), drove the vehicle off draging her body from her house, through the town, at which point the clothing gave off. The woman in this case did not die. But all this happend cause she did not wash his IRC bathroom in his IRC house (ONLINE). He drove 4 hours to do this to her.

People are mad, and often not the very strong in mind do risky RP like Gorean LS's. I suggest you go and find one Gorean, befriend them and somehow find their mental state. You'd not be suprised to know it's like how I explained it.

Goreans are sick. Please help them.

You Goreans are asking me if Gorean slaves are depressed or not? Get real guys.

One triat you and to a lesser extent D/s Doms/Dommes look in women they wish to enslave is how depressed and lead-able a woman is. Ie. how easy is it to subdue her with crap etc.

The Gorean doms in SL are also to a certain extent involved in this. They have a psychological depedency, on each other. Due to their level of depression. Yes the whole Gor in SL (and IRC which I knew) consists mostly of men who are depressed and some women who are majorly depressed, so depressed that they SHOULD NOT be playing the stupid game.

Suggestions and stuff rendered in SL often manifest in RL, which leads to a point where suicide seems the reasonable way out or bodily harm. If none of you have heard how violent/harassing the IRC Gorean community became towards the end of 90's then you know nothing of Gorean history.

There was one slave, who's neck was tired by a sheet while she slept drunk, to the bumper of a car outside her door. The Dom (who was mad at her not washing his house), drove the vehicle off draging her body from her house, through the town, at which point the clothing gave off. The woman in this case did not die. But all this happend cause she did not wash his IRC bathroom in his IRC house (ONLINE). He drove 4 hours to do this to her.

People are mad, and often not the very strong in mind do risky RP like Gorean LS's. I suggest you go and find one Gorean, befriend them and somehow find their mental state. You'd not be suprised to know it's like how I explained it.

Goreans are sick. Please help them.

Welcome to my (in)famous(?) ignore list.

You are one who does not want to look beyond your own little small petty point of view and not even TRYing to understand other peoples ideas/fantasies/imaginations.

You consider what you think/see/do is the truth and nothing but the truth.
good night.