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Hiro Queso
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08-23-2006 15:52
Yes there are, shock horror. Whats your point? He said this was a virtual fantasy, I was pointing out it was not just that - fantasy migrates to reality. The Gorean lifestyle is a reality for some people. My point is that fantasy migrating to reality is not the norm. Absolutely anything can act as a vehicle to somewhere unhealthy. It's not the fantasy we need to analyse, but ourselves. A fantasy is only dangerous when placed in the wrong hands. |
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Zephria Zapata
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08-23-2006 15:55
This from someone who says she is both a christian and a vampire who drinks blood real life *ponders* I rest my case .. this fronm a pevous post in the foums .... Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes 05-11-2006, 04:02 PM #166 Lecktor Hannibal Arguing with the voices Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Under a Rock Posts: 6,521 Quote: Originally Posted by Kiamat Dusk I can fully understand Magnum's objection to the cross, what with him being a Vampire and all... -Kiamat Dusk ....Conservative Christian Vampire.... good one __________________ Bikers have more fun than people ! ```````````````````````````````````````````````` 05-11-2006, 04:11 PM #169 Zephria Zapata We are human & will Bleed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: oregon Posts: 265 Quote: Originally Posted by Kiamat Dusk I can fully understand Magnum's objection to the cross, what with him being a Vampire and all... -Kiamat Dusk ....Conservative Christian Vampire.... That such a Oximoron lol a Conservative Christian Vampire lol is there such a thing ... i dont think so .... if you can find one please show me ... ``````````````````````````````````````````````````` 05-11-2006, 04:19 PM #171 Kiamat Dusk Protest Warrior Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Columbia, MD Posts: 1,461 Quote: Originally Posted by Zephria Zapata That such a Oximoron lol a Conservative Christian Vampire lol is there such a thing ... i dont think so .... if you can find one please show me ... Well...here's one... http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/4338...fGe8YEBuo.rZC4s -Kiamat Dusk __________________ 05-11-2006, 04:25 PM #173 Zephria Zapata We are human & will Bleed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: oregon Posts: 265 Quote: Originally Posted by Kiamat Dusk I really hope you mean the picture and not the ex... -Kiamat Dusk lol Kiamat ... So strange to find a christain Vampire ,, Since the Majority of them Believe in satan ... ```````````````````````````````````````````` 05-11-2006, 04:26 PM #174 Kiamat Dusk Protest Warrior Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Columbia, MD Posts: 1,461 Quote: Originally Posted by Zephria Zapata lol Kiamat ... So strange to find a christain Vampire ,, Since the Majority of them Believe in satan ... Ummm....don't let it get around...but Christians believe in Satan, too. We just don't worship him. That said, I'm a lot of things I'm not supposed to be according to the groupthink. For example, I think I was the only Conservative at the DC Leatherfest this weekend. -Kiamat Dusk |
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Chloe Lowell
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08-23-2006 15:55
You fail to understand, that it has been happening for a long time, ignore SL. The Gorean lifestyle is an accepted part of D/s. People go into this willingly, then what happens afterwards is out of their control. It is not fantasy, its a lifestyle.
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Celvantes Wolfstein
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08-23-2006 16:00
Yes this is a game, but people get immersed in it.
The game is called "Second Life" for crying out loud. Some people really get immersed with their avatars. Thus if someone is threathened in the game, they will feel threathened in real life aswell, atleast for the moment. That's why it's kinda odd that people say "they are just emotes" or "it's just virtual reality". There's more to it than 010101, behind every avatar there is a real person who FEELS. |
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Hiro Queso
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08-23-2006 16:07
You fail to understand, that it has been happening for a long time, ignore SL. The Gorean lifestyle is an accepted part of D/s. People go into this willingly, then what happens afterwards is out of their control. It is not fantasy, its a lifestyle. No, you're failing to understand that I undertand perfectly well  My point is that like anything, we have to take responsibility for ourselves, we have to decide individually whether something is likely to become damaging for either ourself, or for others. Some people, as you have pointed out, do end up in a place where they lose control. So how do you suggest that be dealt with? Should we condemn it for all? If some kid goes out and blows someone's head off after getting a little too excited after playing a video game, should we then ban all video games? btw the Gorean lifestyle is not a part of D/s, but a branch of it. Although it is the most common form of D/s in SL, it is such a minority rl to be almost non-existant. |
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Chloe Lowell
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08-23-2006 16:13
No, you're failing to understand that I undertand perfectly well My point is that like anything, we have to take responsibility for ourselves, we have to decide individually whether something is likely to become damaging for either ourself, or for others. Some people, as you have pointed out, do end up in a place where they lose control. So how do you suggest that be dealt with? Should we condemn it for all? If some kid goes out and blows someone's head off after getting a little too excited after playing a video game, should we then ban all video games? btw the Gorean lifestyle is not a part of D/s, but a branch of it. Although it is the most common form of D/s in SL, it is such a minority rl to be almost non-existant. Oh for the love of god, arguing over semantics? Its not a part of D/s, its a branch of it. Either that is the same thing or very close, clearly, you are trolling for an argument here. Deal with it? What? Are you insane? I never said anything of the sorts. I suggest you go back and read the posts more clearly before jumping to so many conclusions. Forced slavery is against the law in most countries around the world (most likely all), Gorean is a lifestyle which people chose to enter, I already said that. Back to school with you. |
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Allana Dion
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08-23-2006 16:15
A point 1)its only online they can tp turn off anytime WRONG I've seen it happen in gor on SL and on IRC its insiduos some and I say some, they loose the ability to turn off I've also seen what happens when a Kajira tp's out of a gorean sim, a friend did it 12 months ago, she had been gor for about 6 months but things got too heavy, so she wanted to leave, they killed her off in roleplay when she tped out (after much talking and them ordering her not too) then all her kajiira friends put her on mute she was dead to them, 90% of her friends made in that gor sim ceased the day she "turn off anytime". On my own game if anyone wants to D/s or anything like that, I take both of the into a room, sometimes i'll even call them up at home and talk it out, get a sense for there maturity, there idea of D/s, then give or refuse my permission of a D/s relationship on my game, okay some may see it as a break of privacy but its kepy my comunity safe. _____________________
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Hiro Queso
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08-23-2006 16:18
Oh for the love of god, arguing over semantics? Its not a part of D/s, its a branch of it. Either that is the same thing or very close, clearly, you are trolling for an argument here. It is you who decided to use semantics to try and add some authority to your posts, I am pointing out that your use of said semantics is off. Deal with it? What? Are you insane? I never said anything of the sorts. I suggest you go back and read the posts more clearly before jumping to so many conclusions. Forced slavery is against the law in most countries around the world (most likely all), Gorean is a lifestyle which people chose to enter, I already said that. Back to school with you. I suggest you take your own advice. Blowing someones head off is against the law in most countries too, but it appears that analogy went way over your head. |
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Allana Dion
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08-23-2006 16:21
You fail to understand, that it has been happening for a long time, ignore SL. The Gorean lifestyle is an accepted part of D/s. People go into this willingly, then what happens afterwards is out of their control. It is not fantasy, its a lifestyle. No Chloe you have this a little backwards. Gor is not an accepted part of D/s. They are two different things. They happen to share some characteristics wich means some of the same people gravitate toward them. EDIT: Nevermind Hiro said it better. btw the Gorean lifestyle is not a part of D/s, but a branch of it. Although it is the most common form of D/s in SL, it is such a minority rl to be almost non-existant. _____________________
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Chloe Lowell
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08-23-2006 16:22
Reading not your strong point troll? Gorean isn't real forced slavery, as per my post, if it was it would be against the law. Hence I don't want to do anything about anyones fantasy, as per my original post. Seeing as you asked what I wanted to do about Goreans, I thought I would reiterate. Guess that went over your head too didn't it troll?
Go try start a flamewar with someone who cares, troll. |
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Chloe Lowell
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08-23-2006 16:25
No Chloe you have this a little backwards. Gor is not an accepted part of D/s. They are two different things. They happen to share some characteristics wich means some of the same people gravitate toward them. Go check out collarme (link not provided as its an adult site) if you don't believe that in real life, Gorean is a part of D/s. Or a branch of, or similar to. Once again with the semantics. Silly. Are you another troll looking for a verbal fight? Not going to happen. |
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Hiro Queso
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08-23-2006 16:26
Reading not your strong point troll? Gorean isn't real forced slavery, as per my post, if it was it would be against the law. Hence I don't want to do anything about anyones fantasy, as per my original post. Seeing as you asked what I wanted to do about Goreans, I thought I would reiterate. Guess that went over your head too didn't it troll? Go try start a flamewar with someone who cares, troll. Well yes, I would have to be a troll, wouldn't I? I mean, it couldn't possibly be that you are unable to understand a very clear analogy. Yet again, your posts indicate that you have either not read, or have not understood my posts. It's not rocket science. |
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Chloe Lowell
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08-23-2006 16:28
Well yes, I would have to be a troll, wouldn't I? I mean, it couldn't possibly be that you are unable to understand a very clear analogy. Yet again, your posts indicate that you have either not read, or have not understood my posts. It's not rocket science. And now with a complete lack of content. This is what trolls do. They look for a post they think they can exploit, then respond. Within a few additional posts, they have left the thread behind and are off topic, arguing at the person rather than debating a point. Congratulations. On good forums, that would be an instant locking of the thread. |
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Allana Dion
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08-23-2006 16:30
Silly. Are you another troll looking for a verbal fight? Not going to happen. Thankyou, I needed a chuckle. I could be wrong but I think thats the first time anyone has actually called me a troll? Why do I feel a strange sense of accomplishment?  _____________________
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Hiro Queso
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08-23-2006 16:32
And now with a complete lack of content. This is what trolls do. They look for a post they think they can exploit, then respond. Within a few additional posts, they have left the thread behind and are off topic, arguing at the person rather than debating a point. Congratulations. On good forums, that would be an instant locking of the thread. Oh the irony, in fact double irony! You are trolling by your very accusations of trolling, and your post here is devoid of any content at all. I can't explain it any clearer to you Chloe, the content is in my previous posts. That's ok though, I understand that some people feel the need to lash out when they meet something they struggle to comprehend. |
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Chloe Lowell
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08-23-2006 16:33
Thankyou, I needed a chuckle. I could be wrong but I think thats the first time anyone has actually called me a troll? Why do I feel a strange sense of accomplishment? I don't know, maybe I'm feeling a little oversensitive after the previous post *blushes*. However, once again though, what's the point? You pointed out that Gorean and D/s where somehow related in one fashion or another, yet say I have it backwards when saying they are a part of each other? |
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Turgar Nilsson
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08-23-2006 16:33
Lost Newcomb
I suggest you go and find one Gorean, befriend them and somehow find their mental state. You'd not be suprised to know it's like how I explained it.Goreans are sick. Please help them. Here we go again Lost..... any VALID point you have to make get's lost in your generalising, and insistence on ALL online/offline Goreans being of the same mindset. I'll make it easier for anyone who wants to follow your suggestion, and say "no problem, look me up, have a chat, and SEE where Lost is wrong regarding "mental states". it's the beauty of SL. Even within subcultures bearing the same name.... we're all DIFFERENT.  |
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Selador Cellardoor
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08-23-2006 16:35
Hate to break it to you but they did. con‧sent /kənˈsɛnt/ Pronunciation Key]Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation]Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuh  n-sent] Pronunciation Key]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation]Show IPA Pronunciation –verb (used without object) 1.to permit, approve, or agree; comply or yield (often fol. by to or an infinitive): He consented to the proposal. We asked her permission, and she consented. 2.Archaic. to agree in sentiment, opinion, etc.; be in harmony. –noun 3.permission, approval, or agreement; compliance; acquiescence: He gave his consent to the marriage. 4.agreement in sentiment, opinion, a course of action, etc.: By common consent he was appointed official delegate. 5.Archaic. accord; concord; harmony. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=consent Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source new! con‧sen‧tu‧al /kənˈsɛn tʃuəl/ Pronunciation Key]Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation]Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-sen-choo-uhl] Pronunciation Key]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation]Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective Law. involving or carried out by mutual consent: a consentual divorce. It is NOT spelled with two s's. Oh dear. 7 results for: consensual Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source new! con‧sen‧su‧al /kənˈsɛnʃuəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-sen-shoo-uhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. formed or existing merely by consent: a consensual transaction. 2. Physiology. (of an action) involuntarily correlative with a voluntary action, as the contraction of the iris when the eye is opened. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Origin: 1745–55; < L consēnsu-, s. of consēnsus consensus + -al1] —Related forms con‧sen‧su‧al‧ly, adverb Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source new! con·sen·su·al (kn-snsh-l) Pronunciation Key adj. Of or expressing a consensus: a consensual decision. Law. Existing or entered into by mutual consent without formalization by document or ceremony: a consensual marriage; a consensual contract. Involving the willing participation of both or all parties, especially in an illegal transaction or practice: the consensual crimes of prostitution, drug abuse, and illegal gambling. Physiology. Of or relating to a reflexive response of one body structure following stimulation of another, such as the concurrent constriction of one pupil in response to light shined in the other. Of or relating to involuntary movement of a body part accompanying voluntary movement of another. con·sensu·al·ly adv. (Download Now or Buy the Book) The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. American Heritage Stedman's Medical Dictionary - Cite This Source new! con·sen·su·al (kn-snsh-l) adj. Of or relating to a reflexive response of one body structure following stimulation of another, such as the concurrent constriction of one pupil in response to light shined in the other. Of or relating to involuntary movement of a body part accompanying voluntary movement of another. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- con·sensu·al·ly adv. The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law - Cite This Source new! Main Entry: con·sen·su·al Pronunciation: k&n-'sen-ch&-w&l Function: adjective 1 : existing or made by mutual consent without any further act (as a writing) 2 : involving or based on mutual consent <consensual sexual intercourse> Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc. Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary - Cite This Source new! Main Entry: con·sen·su·al Pronunciation: k&n-'sench-(& w&l, -'sen-ch&lFunction: adjective 1 : existing or made by mutual consent <consensual sexual behavior> 2 : relating to or being the constrictive pupillary response of an eye that is covered when the other eye is exposed to light —con·sen·su·al·ly /-E/ adverb Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. WordNet - Cite This Source new! consensual adj : existing by consent; "a consensual contract" WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University On-line Medical Dictionary - Cite This Source new! consensual consensual: in CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary On-line Medical Dictionary, © 1997-98 Academic Medical Publishing & CancerWEB Apologies for filling up the forum with this rubbish. _____________________
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Selador Cellardoor
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08-23-2006 16:37
Dictionary.com lists seven entries under consensual, one under consentual. Technically, both are right, though consensual seems to be preferred. Also, I suspect, 'consentual' is an American legal form. _____________________
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Chloe Lowell
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08-23-2006 16:37
Oh the irony, in fact double irony! You are trolling by your very accusations of trolling, and your post here is devoid of any content at all. I can't explain it any clearer to you Chloe, the content is in my previous posts. That's ok though, I understand that some people feel the need to lash out when they meet something they struggle to comprehend. You are too funny. Obviously I couldn't respond directly to the OP anymore because your previous post to which I responded, had taken that step of being O/T. I responded to your content previously, you avoided it and went for the "you dont understand route", hilarious. Whats sad about this thogh, is I have nothing to do at half past midnight except deal with people like you, who use arguments such as, "you cant comprehend me". You're right, I don't understand why silly boys like you feel the need to make pointless arguments over a word or two here or there. |
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Allana Dion
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08-23-2006 16:39
I don't know, maybe I'm feeling a little oversensitive after the previous post *blushes*. However, once again though, what's the point? You pointed out that Gorean and D/s where somehow related in one fashion or another, yet say I have it backwards when saying they are a part of each other? So what I should have said is, my personal view is that Gor is roleplay, fiction that in some cases uses some principles of D/s, while D/s itself is a lifestyle, preference. Now others are going to disagree with me, I understand that, but thats my personal view. _____________________
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Lost Newcomb
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08-23-2006 16:40
Thankyou, I needed a chuckle. I could be wrong but I think thats the first time anyone has actually called me a troll? Why do I feel a strange sense of accomplishment? I got called a troll in one thread so many times every single post just like Ms. Chloe Lowell (hmmmm!!11) here ... I got so hurt, I wasn't even trolling there. _____________________
I'm the uncontested Ubar of All of Gor, and Knight of SecondLife.
Proper way to greet me : Sir Lost, Ubar Lost, or if your so inclined, Master Newcomb. |
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Corvus Drake
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Join date: 12 Feb 2006
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08-23-2006 16:41
Hey look, another cookie-cutter anti-Gor post.
Gor is for males with small penises who get off on brutality and power trips, and the females that adore the abuse and adhere to the concept that they are doing something wrong if in any room that isn't a kitchen or a bedroom (unless they are cleaning). If you don't envision yourself one of the above, don't waste your time. You'll just get hurt, and hurt others. _____________________
I started getting banned from Gorean sims, so now I hang out in a tent called "Fort Awesome".
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Chloe Lowell
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08-23-2006 16:41
I hear ya. And you do have a point, there is a bunch of going back and forth on semantics here when the truth is everyone just has a different view. So what I should have said is, my personal view is that Gor is roleplay, fiction and D/s is a lifestyle, preference. Now others are going to disagree with me, I understand that, but thats my personal view. No but I agree with you, mostly. Gor is a lifestyle preference too. Thats all I really said in the first place to be honest. Thats why i dont get why you and "that other guy" keeps on, we said pretty much the same thing bar a few words here or there. *sigh* |
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Hiro Queso
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08-23-2006 16:41
You are too funny. Obviously I couldn't respond directly to the OP anymore because your previous post to which I responded, had taken that step of being O/T. I responded to your content previously, you avoided it and went for the "you dont understand route", hilarious. Whats sad about this thogh, is I have nothing to do at half past midnight except deal with people like you, who use arguments such as, "you cant comprehend me". You're right, I don't understand why silly boys like you feel the need to make pointless arguments over a word or two here or there. hmm and I thought there was two of us involved in this discussion? Does that make you a silly girl? Anyway, I have addressed your points Chloe, I have addressed all of them. If you really feel I haven't, I suggest you revisit tmy posts, because your replies indicate that you haven't understood the points I made. |