Something to be Said about Gorean Life

Not only that, but using a computer would get you offed by the priest kings.


Great Gorean Auction!

Real gorean couple no joke.

As I said earlier i've ran my own adult game for the last 9 years and its good comunity with over 250 people involved.

We are currently running Eom 4 (edge of midnight 4) its a haven for adults, yes I verify age, and work closely with the comunity, and in doing so we have never seen any of the horrors that happen on sl etc, so its a price the players asked me to impliment.

EoM v1 original, created when we decided we wanted to create our own world instead of living in other peoples based on an old rom stock text client

EoM V2 Based on C+ + code and evolving

EoM V3 recoded into java and mysql dbase

EoM 4 (current version) revision 4.5.1

I am working on Eom5 current project title Peom (eom = Edge of Midnight)
A graphical game simlare to SL but with more infrastructure.

EoM is simply based on a premise of Adult roleplayers and Adult comunity, most of us know each other by first name and all members of the community have my home phone number, I am final say, I am judiciary and creator, this may sound restrictive but it has bonuses, that person your with is who they say they are (gender etc can change in rp and a male can play female etc but real life info given out which is each members choice must be true)

On the plus side a simple example, 3 years ago a new player came to us, only played for 2 weeks, wonderful person, lost there pc to water damage and no spare cash, I bought them a new pc and had it delivered

Hope that explains it

I totally agree with this one. I resent the way some of the people are behaving in this thread.

For some that attack Gor or any lifestyle because they just don't (want to) understand or worse are not even trying to understand it is beyond my comprehension.

No one should judge something they don't understand. People who act like that probably should go back and live in the past:
- world is flat, not round
- believer's crusades (their believe is the only right one)
- witch hunts
- discrimination (skin, believes, holocaust, ...)
- gay/lesbian ridiculing

This kind of behaviour of them scares me, and I will fight it with all my might.

If you agree with that rant and in special the sentence taken out of it, you have earned a place on my ignore list!
I'm soo lucky to have found and becomign part of at least (bigger) D/s communities that are tolerant and open minded. They talk about D/s, Gor and other livestyles, respecting the different styles; not advocating against them, nor promoting them.

I strongly believe myself people need to find out for themselves what suits them most. And make a choice based on that.

No, for the love of god, some in these forums cant read a few words without jumping to conclusions. Since when did I indicate Gor games causes Gor, I said it's the other way around and Gor was around long before SL, that is why it is a reality for some.

The guy was nuts? Why, because he was a Gor Dom? Yup, maybe. Did I say he was a rapist? No, sheesh, he was arrested for it, the slave said it wasn't. Who can't read again?

Same note as I wrote to Chloe for you.

O and also, as for your club, please do me a favor and add me to your club/land's banlist... That way I do not accidentily enter a club of intolerand and closed minded people.

It's just a shame that I didn't see that taken out bit, I can't even remember what was supposed to be there. Put me on ignore darling, that just means I can make funny faces at you and you won't see

I agree, people need to find out what suits them. First post in this thread stated, that I had tried out Gor a lot and it was not for me. The rest of that quoted post previously, talked about the large proportion of low self estheme men and depressed women that goto Gor - what does not suit me is some low life telling me to sit at my PC for hours in silence because they are so poor at Domination. Thats the reason Gor does not suit me and how you are locked into it even if you get a bad one (often your only recourse is to get killed off in the sim), nothing to do with the large amout of really nice slave-sisters, or the few good Dom's I met there.

lol so what you are saying is, D/s and Gor are a part of BDSM (I agree), which is sorta like saying, they are a part of each other? Semantics, word usage, thats what I meant - exactly what you said, you just dont like one variety of saying the same thing. You're the person to try and correct my word usage. Nothing better to do?

Interesting point of view, let me share mine.

As a Dominant the d/s style is about power/control exchange. That is what BDSM in generally describes.

Note I use d/s in this. Femdom, D/s, Gor, S/M and I will go as far to say that even age-play are a form of d/s.

Now the difference:
D/s: Dominant/submissive lifestyle means that there a person that submits (freely) to please his/her owner, the Dominant. However, what many people fail to realize or do not want to accept, the submissive is in control! Just think about the 'sub contract', hard/soft limits, safewords/signals... The submissive chooses to which (s)he acts like one. I can have a whole discussion of this but I will hope to do that at the school I'm part of in SL.

FemDom: much like the D/s style, however here the Dominats are mostly female. Much like a matriarchy (spelling)

Gor: This is where it differs. Within it's defined slavery of the female species (humanoid only) where as male species are alpha/dominant. A patriarchy if you will. However, here the power/control exchange is more absolute. A slave cease to have rights (in general speaking, some exceptions I think) and can/should only obey.

S/M: it's clear here that this kind of play is also a form of d/s. There is one on the receiving end and one on the giving end. Since I don't have much experience with it (not much into it ), I cannot comment much more then this.

In short, do not confuse the BDSM (general catch of alternative lifestyles compared to vanilla) with d/s (which is only a part of BDSM) or the LIFESTYLE D/s or Gor.

Also, very important to remind yourself: a slave is also a submissive, but a sub DOES NOT NEED TO BE a slave!
Hence, the lifestyle D/s is NOT the core of Gor, the concept of d/s is!

i once sayd something to a gor female... She called me a nerd... wich is kinda odd couse i'm not the one being cyber laid by some goof in a superman suit calling himself "Master!"

*laughs about the ignorance*
"calling himself Master"; well I have to admit, some "claim" that they are one and should be called like that, both in D/s and Gor, but another difference between D/s and Gor:
Gor males are expected to be called Master (I think), but in D/s it's often not required. In fact, I personally do not want to be called Master unless it's by choice of the one calling me that and that person means a lot to me.

As for the consequence of lifestylers: It his very doubtful whether the majority of the proud gorean warriors would fare as good with a sword in real life as i - who regards a sword in SL as a fashion accessory- do after a few years of kendo ( in this forum i should probably make it explicit that i did not do it for disemboweling people and that i normally keep the katana on the wall and the bokken and shinai among the sport devices ).

It is not the point though.Even in warrior-settings most social situations are handled without resorting to physical violence, and if you try to port a meme into modern society you have to adapt to the circumstances. Most self-proclaimed kajiri don't run around naked or in silks in public, and they don't call the clerk in the warehouse 'Master', just because he happens to be a free person. What you play in SL is either a different social dynamics than you are used to, in which case it can be quite educating. or in case of life-stylers hyperboles of the one they practice in RL as far at is practical.

It is not even important whether Mr. Lange is a good author ( i certainly know some that are more interresting to read, but in an effort to understand the RP-background i fought my way halfwway through book 4 so far). Neither is it important whether Mr. Lange would agree with this use of the meme he spread in the service of pulp fiction.

Gor as a term in the context of D/s-relationsship describes a set of ideas about the nature and relations of dominants and submissives, that is widely detached from the settings of the books. Some of the roleplayers might be able to give you title and page of the first occurence of a certain norman-gorean rule, but the lifestyler seem not to cling too close to the books. It isn't as if Mr. Lange is the messias. He was just the proponent of a meme they could identify with. Although i admit the fantasy of the bigger-than-life, sword-wielding man as a partner is attractive. ( Well in rl you'd have to carefully cut the guy down to socially acceptable dimensions. )

SL-goreans aren't even that consequent in their philosophical basics about the nature of submissives and dominants. I could name one or two who over the course of their TOS and SL-life apparently transitioned from slave to free partner and finally master, even if this seems antithetical to the gor-books.

What is important is the kind of relationship and the social interaction, and given the degree of immersion i see in some cases happen in SL, i think the care of the master/mistress to the slave and the devotion of the slave to the master/mistress is genuine enough.

If you aren't inclined towards this it may be difficult to understand the mindset of the SL-slaves in this context. You can either actually talk with them about it, or if you can't do this without getting all up and huffy about the 'fundamental wrongness' of apparently giving up your unalienable rights ( which you can't anyway because they are by definition unalienable ) you could visit some of the gorean scriberies (please do not do it as a 30' mech or pink, nine-tailed fox ) and read the essays of 'toy' , 'mikal' or others about it.

They are quite enlightening on the subject and partly more poetic than John Norman has ever been.

edit: spelling

I agree you said what I meant doh! the concept of d/s


although I still believe even in gor the slave makes a choice to accept that force the Domination or die, even slavery has options

Presumably this is all just an advertisement for Gor. Having read all the posts for/against/bored, it just makes me want to try it out for the first time.

Hehe ok, then.

As for second part; part of Gor is the RP capture and enslavement of non-willing Earth females. As such, the woman that visit are aware of it; and migh become part of it unless they clearly use an observer role.

Once enslaved, they loose that choice. However, there is nothign against a slave trying to escape ... maybe even become a Panther

Mission completed then. Now what to advertise next? Mageplay? Forced feminisation? Tolkien style elves? Star Trek? Anything other?

An interesting thought... in the Gor books there are many animals... both predatory and helpful ... so why are animal av's barred from most of the Gorean areas?

Is it perhaps connected to the fact that apart from a few that have been domesticated, most animals are uncontrolled by the Masters?

Lewis

They tend to talk. Oh and yiff. And carry weapons. On the other hand the priest kings imported species from different worlds. Did John Norman ever pick the spider people from the beginnings up again?

Ehm I think you mix some things.
Sometimes Gor girl are referred to as beasts.

But a Panther is no representing a 'real' animal. It's a name given to rogue ex-slaves/raiders.

Gor do not want animal AVs/Child AVs because they do not fit within the theme.

An animal AV is different from 'real' animal. I'm sure if AI animals were to roam around in Gor sims, it would be excepted or even welcomed.

In normal sims, do we see lots of 'real' animals? Elephants? Snakes? (I remember a Linden asking for Snakes recently), cows, horses?

Hehe if you look carefully in SL, you would know they're all there already... Don't forget Starwars! Or other similar genres...

""Master Sar reminds me, from his time in the Military, 'I will defend to the death the right for you to make stupid decisions.' This is America. The lucidity with which some people decide to shit in one another's mouth should always be questioned (providing that naughty feeling), but their choice to do it consensually should not be interfered with or cause them to be discriminated upon.
"

Gor is like the Trekkie version of D/S

I have seen many people here interchange BDSM, D/s, and Gor. Gor is not D/s and D/s is not Gor. There is commonality between them but overall differences in approach. Goreans generally reject the idea of "safe, sane and consensual." They also rarely use a safe word. Then there is the ideas that all women are born submissive, free trading of slaves, and complete control over all parts of their lives.

safe: attempts should be made to identify and prevent risks to health
sane: activities should be undertaken in a sane and sensible cast of mind
consensual: all activities should involve the full informed consent of all parties involved

While I'm a Domme I do not believe that everyone is and should be D/s. I do not believe submission is based on gender. I also do not believe my sub to be a beast to be tamed but a loving woman whom I take care of.

In every subculture there are good and bad people. Saddly, there is far more risk involved in the BDSM, D/s, and Gor cultures. There are going to be good ones, and there are going to be bad ones. While I do not personally agree with Gor, and have many times seen bad things happen to good people because of it, you can not lump the good and bad ones in a group like this.

For instance, I used to work for a women's shelter when I was younger. Many times I've heard stories of abused women who were raped by their husbands. Some say this is not rape because they consented to marry and she could leave at any time. This is incorrect. You can force someone against their will to stay by mental and emotional manipulation. Does this make all marriages evil because more then you would admit do this? No. This is bad people doing bad things.

Mental and emotional abuse is always going to be worse then any physical abuse one could give. This does exisit in SL and people should be very cautious. The trick of BDSM, D/s and Gor is to know where that line is. The bad ones cross it (some times even intentially) and the good ones try damn hard not to. Personally, I believe that Goreans walk too close to that line to where you almost can't see it anymore.

Nice post. And I agree wholeheartedly with it.

However, some footnotes on the last paragraph.

The point is, and that's inevitable, people sometimes get RL feelings for virtual toons/lives and start acting irrational. And that moment is when RL hurting takes place.

I for myself pour a lot of the real me into my toon, but I know (and have experience enough as a long time online player/RP-er) to seperate issues from SL (virtual) to Real Life.

That doesnt mean that bad (or good) things happen and it reflects on me in RL (my mood or feelings), but I NEVER let it overcome me. Taking a step back, taking a break is all I need to put it all back into perspective.

After that break, having put things back into the right perspective, I'm capable to cope with what happened. As said, knowing myself to be experienced I can very well imagine that people with less experience or online time will (and have) a very hard time to distinguish virtual events from reallife events.

And that is where the danger lies!