Something to be Said about Gorean Life

Well, 'YUCK!' comes to mind.

I've never been a fan of the Gorean lifestyle, primarily because the whole speaking in 3rd person thing "This one needs to go pee..may I go pee please mistress" makes me kinda ill.

That said, there's absolutely no reason for this thread. There is no "Rape" taking place when it's two consensual adults role playing first of all. Secondly, if you don't like it, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

You should mind your own business. What makes me particularly sick about this thread is that you, who are a mature, "rational" adult would pass judgement on another group when you obviously know jack shit about the lifestyle.

You should do some research, study the lifestyle and THEN put up your little "EW RAPE!" flag before coming on these fucking forums and stirring shit up out of ignorance.

While I certainly have several opinions on this entire topic, I will do my best to keep them brief.

First of all I am one of those "sick" women who has, on occasion, entertained a rape fantasy. But, guess what?!? I know the difference. I am not only a social worker, but I work in a Men's Prison. I work with RL rapists. Is that something I would want...in a million years... to happen to me in RL? NO. I truly would like to eliminate the majority of them as I see no real benefit to society by not doing so. However, that is RL..this is not. If someone does something in SL I don't like, I shut down. Wow! What a novel idea!!

However, the mere intimation that what happens in ANY game will lead to RL behavior angers, sickens, and just generally makes me quite angry. This..or any other video game or form of entertainment (music comes to mind) does not make someone go out in society and do something bad. The tendencies...the sickness per say...is already there. It is a scape goat tactic used by people who want to control every thing that we as a society are exposed to.

There is a difference between RL and SL.

Wow, just wow, let me get this straight...
You are saying you have entertained various fantasies that are atypical of men and women in a "play" environment... But when it really comes down to it in real life you would not want to do anything like that at all...

And ultimately you are saying you are responsible for your own behavior?!?!?!?
what a novel idea.. Do you guys hear this... This person actually believes that the computer didn't MAKE her do it, but she made her choices on her own..

You and the person you quoted made perfect points.

We have a lot of Martha Stewarts and Tipper Gore types that have posted on these threads. People need to learn to mind their own business. It's hilarious to see people try and assess it with a psychological disorder when they don't even have a degree in psychology to begin with.

People will play out and do whatever they want whenever they want on Second Life. If you don't like it, there is a reason that some regions are mature and some are PG. I'd suggest staying in PG.

I think the people that start these threads are either overtly religious, minors, or people just trying to stir up trouble. There is nothing with RP in R/L nor is there anything wrong with it in SL by any means. Sure BDSM has some violence but its what the person likes and its controlled. And a rape fantasy in real life doesnt even neccessarily need to have beating or anything involved. Say guy pretends to be a burglar , ties up his gf or wife and has her way with her. See blaiming forms of entertainment and the media for things was a scapegoat for bad parenting.

So someone has a song about killing people or you kill people in a game, that by no means would mean that your going to go out and start offing people unless there was some psychological problems there from the get go. They used Marilyn Manson as a scapegoat for Columbine and the kids didnt even listen to his music. Seems society today would rather blame everyone else but the parents or the child. Rape in real life is horrible and I detest rapists but this isnt even remotely rape. Its consentual and if it escalates into a real life relationship that to is consentual between the people. However if they dont have want that fantasy to be worked out in real life and the person tries to work it out in real life without their consent then it would be rape and wrong. However that matter has nothing to do with RP its just some abusive person.

There were links to articles and what not about other people's points of views which i highly doubt are accurate unless they themselves are part of that community which i somehow highly doubt as a whole. There was an article about a man who called himself SlaveMaster online killing 5 women. This person was partaking in role play but he went to far and when the women objects to having photos of them taken he just snapped. You dont blame the entire community cuz some bone head out there has some psychological problems. Because a few bad eggs do something the entire community is bad seems the method most of the people protesting things like this use which as i stated if they think that way they may as well just protest human nature as a whole.

And i guess a thread isnt finsih til lina has the last word on it





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Masters in general, see slaves much in the same way the Law does. Gorean men do not seek to defend slave girls or protect them, other than what would be obvious concerning the preservation of their personal property or that of another. Such would be done for the sake of the owner though, not so much the slave. The slave in itself is seen as property, an item whose sole purpose is to bring pleasure to the owner and/or comfort to his life. Nothing is directly given in return for this as a matter of obligation, everything is simply expected of the girl. Basic food and shelter are not a form of payment, but simple necessity to keep one's property able to serve. A master may take good care of his slaves, and the majority do, but this is a matter of him wanting to, not having to. It makes little sense to buy something, anything, and keep it, if you are not going to see to it's care and upkeep, especially if it is something you value and enjoy. Goreans are very practical beings and though the totality of ownership can be shown in the ability to destroy, it is not practical to damage or destroy something you value, for the future enjoyment is thus diminished

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When one is made a slave on Gor, they lose all the rights and connections they had in their past life. They are no longer seen as the person they were before, but rather are viewed much as a "human animal," and are treated as such. They do not decide their own fate, and are not expected to make their own decisions regarding their lives, as this is no longer theirs to choose. They do not so much as even possess the names they are called by, these being given and taken away as it pleases their owners. Their lives are subject to their owner's whim in a very real and tangible way. They do not "bargain" with men, nor do they place "limits" on their service, they simply do as they are told and do it when they are told, or they are swiftly, harshly, and effectively punished. A master may discipline or even destroy his property if he chooses, and the Laws of the various Gorean lands will not only not contest this, but will fully support it.


You loose all right! So make a Desion lol Gor Master and slaves if The Forums are a part of sl truley then non of the slaves can Speak on the forums ....

If not Then let them talk as a regular Person ...... AKA copy of this Thread and a reply


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08-20-2006, 01:58 PM #1
Carly Sonic
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 18 Gorean Merchants Website

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Greetings, with her Master's permission, this girl has started this blog to expand the knowldge and awareness of Gorean items in the world of Second Life.

http://goreanmerchants.blogspot.com/


All merchants are welcome to join this blog and post their items, along with links to their stores in game, and shops on both SLX & SLB.

If you would like to join this site and post your new items, please send and email to [email]klp151@yahoo.com[/email]. This girl will then send you an invite to join the blog.

The hope is to create a site where we can all benefit on sales and purchases.

The Reply !!!

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08-23-2006, 02:13 PM #3
kerunix Flan
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 378 This forum isn't a gorean sim, could you write normaly please ?

I see you all as Cartoon Characters ...

Apparently double standards are alive and well here on the Forums. I refer to Community Standards which are posted here: http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php

"The goals of the Community Standards are simple: treat each other with respect and without harassment, adhere to local standards as indicated by simulator ratings, and refrain from any hate activity which slurs a real-world individual or real-world community"

"The Community Standards sets out six behaviors, the "Big Six", that will result in suspension or, with repeated violations, expulsion from the Second Life Community..."

"1. Intolerance Combating intolerance is a cornerstone of Second Life's Community Standards. Actions that marginalize, belittle, or defame individuals or groups inhibit the satisfying exchange of ideas and diminish the Second Life community as whole. The use of derogatory or demeaning language or images in reference to another Resident's race, ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation is never allowed in Second Life."

I submit that a great number of the posts in this thread cross the line of Intolerance by marginalizing, belittling, and/or defaming online Goreans by referring to Goreans as being "sick" et cetera. It seems to me that anyone who wishes the protection of a Tolerance rule has a moral and ethical obligation to display that same Tolerance for others. The books of John Norman have a great deal to say about the evils of Political Correctness but you don't see Goreans posting castigations of modern liberals all over this forum. How about a little consistency, people?

There fixed it for you.

Nothing is role played as fun ... you have a true tendacy to become that person is real life .Role playing anf fetish is just the start of it

Jerry Brudos started out with a shoe fetish and ended up a serial killer.

His predilection for stiletto heels went all the way back to his childhood days. He was only 5 when he found a pair of women?s shoes in a trash heap, took them home and tried them on. By the time he was in his teens, he was breaking into homes and stealing women?s shoes and underwear.

He continued the pattern after high school, sometimes confronting the women and choking them unconscious.

By 1968, now married and the father of two, he killed for the first time. His victim, a young woman who came to his door by mistake, was beaten and strangled. Before dumping her corpse in a river, he cut off her left foot, put it in one of the pumps from his collection and stuffed it in a freezer.

He lured some of his later victims by advertising in newspapers for women to model shoes and hosiery. He killed three more women in Oregon before being captured, progressively mutilating the corpses.

In his books and articles, former FBI profiler John Douglas likes to use Brudos as a textbook example of a predator who continued to refine his fantasy while escalating his crimes.

The word "fantasy" is a staple in the vocabulary of profilers. Many of the crimes they investigate are actually fantasies that were acted out.

Fantasy fuels most predatory crimes, particularly serial murder and certain rapes. The fantasies often combine sex with violence and, though there is a sexual aspect to the crimes, the sex is really secondary to power, control and domination. The predator often feels powerless and believes he can overcome this by controlling others.

"Probably the most crucial single factor in the development of a serial rapist or killer is the role of fantasy," Douglas says in his book, "Mindhunter."

Some arsonists are also known to live in a fantasy world. Arson is often a sexually based crime, one that allows the offender to feel in control as he takes in the flames, smoke, fire trucks, crowds and commotion ? all orchestrated by him.

As in the case of Brudos, the rich fantasy life of would-be predators can start during childhood or adolescence. Violent fantasies of abduction, bondage, torture, rape and murder ? sometimes stimulated by pornography ? can go on for years, growing in strength before the crimes are carried out.

When delving into the lives of serial killers, investigators may find a history of cruelty to animals.

David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam killer who terrorized New York City in 1976 and 1977, had a past that included both fire setting and animal abuse. Those traits, along with bedwetting at an inappropriate age, make up a "homicidal triad" sometimes found in serial killers.

Berkowitz set more than 1,000 small fires before he started killing. He found them sexually arousing.

And he was just a boy when he poisoned his adoptive mother?s pet bird, getting a kick out of watching it die slowly. As a youth, he also tortured other small animals. Berkowitz, like others who abuse and kill animals before moving on to human victims, got an early taste of what it feels like to have power over living things.

Some people never go beyond the fantasy stage. There is no progression to crime. But for those who make the transition to the real world, there is generally some type of stressor that pushes them over the line. It could be the end of a relationship, the loss of a job, anything that sets them off. The satisfaction from the first murder may preclude the need for any stressors to trigger the next one.

Fantasy continues to play a significant role in the offender?s life after the crime has been committed, affording him a sort of instant replay that allows him to relive his crimes indefinitely.

Among his visual aids are so-called trophies ? mementos of the crime that feed his fantasies. A killer might take jewelry from his victim, which he may later give to his wife, girlfriend or mother, or he might take a driver?s license or lock of hair. He may clip newspaper articles about the crime or keep his own journal. He may even take a severed body part, as Brudos did, in order to extend the fantasy.

When an offender commits a crime, he views it as an accomplishment and likes to keep it going, like a former athlete or aging movie star who pulls out an old scrapbook to relive the glory days.

Jailed offenders relive their crimes so often that they can provide profilers with very specific details during interviews.

The significance of fantasy in the life of violent predators can perhaps best be told by the offenders themselves.

In his book, "Whoever Fights Monsters," former FBI profiler Robert Ressler recounts an interview with a murderer who had no doubt that he would kill.

"I knew long before I started killing that I was going to be killing, that it was going to end up like that," the prisoner said. "The fantasies were too strong. They were going on for too long, and were too elaborate."


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Zeph, really, your point is what? That SL is harboring a new breed of serial killer in the Gor sims? Honestly, now, isn't that a little far fetched?

Heh, I once appeared there as my warfalcon with the intent on meeting someone there who asked to be met about purchasing one of my falcons modded into a Tarn.

I was banned and kicked before I was able to even explain why I was there. The person had to come to me. The whole thought of a nongorean as a large familiar avian was somehow offensive to them. Even thought I was wearing a sign that said "Visitor Only" ... guess that's Gorean for "I have cage guns and C4" or something.

Ah well, their loss. ^^

tp's into awful thread...

Oh noes, you mean I can't role play an evil tarn?!

Lol psyra, I 'm gonna get one of your tarns and see if I get banned .. xD.

tp's out..

Zephria

All of your cut and paste posts have absolutely nothing to do with BDSM, with Gor, or with roleplay.

Roleplay, fantasizing, occasionally taking a fantasy and making it a reality - all of these things have been around since long before the internet or SL. They are a part of the human experience. We ALL do it. You can't possibly say you have never had a fantasy in your entire life, that you haven't lain on your bed closed your eyes and imagined the impossible (I'm not just talking about sex here but both sexual and nonsexual fantasy). This is something we all start doing as early as our preteen years. It's normal.

Everyone has different fantasies, no two are the same. One woman may fantasize that she is floating down a smooth flowing river in a boat with the sounds of birds singing while a handsome man romances her. Another woman may fantasize that she is giving herself over to a man who is so insane for desire for her that he can't stop himself. Another woman may simply fantasize her man is washing the dishes in her apron while she watches with her feet up. And yet another woman may fantasize about another woman in any of these scenerios and more. NONE ARE WRONG.

Sometimes people take those fantasies and they choose to make them real. It also happens all the time. You don't hear about the millions of people every day who indulge a fantasy and everything goes smoothly because it's a private personal matter, it doesn't make the newspapers.

All those serial killers you read about and repeated here have absolutely nothing to do with any of the above. To connect that kind of sickness with normal healthy people fantasizing is ridiculous. Those people had a sickness that went way beyond the norm, everything in their lives was colored by that sickness. It isn't the same thing.

You still haven't even attempted to express your thoughts in your own words. Forget the typing as an excuse for a moment, I understand that may be a problem. I'm not telling you to type, I'm saying think for yourself. Stop browsing the internet looking for what other people think and really look rationally at the subject.

Wow... I muddled through all this and found a snippet that pretty much sums it all up.

"A loving D/s or Gor couple will tend to keep to themselves, stay among their own community and simply enjoy their roleplay or their lifestyle. Whereas the abusers and the perpetual victims will find they don't fit in among the rest so they are more likely to not only drift from one community to another, but to be the most noticeable due to the constant drama that whirls around them." by Allanas Dion.

The people who are here to experience gor to the fullest extent possible online generally are not the sensationalists that lend themselves to all the generalizations I cringed my way through tonight. We stay in our sims or other gorean sims and talk amongst ourselves. Honestly, even most of the visitors we get are ones who have read the inflamatory remarks from the forums and have come to see if they can get a rise out out of the silly goreans by being rude in our sims. If you enter politely, adhere to our rules, we generally will be most polite back. I'm not saying you won't get a rude welcome in some places but like most places, it depends on who is greeting you and how their day has gone.

When I go to nongorean places, I am very careful to dress appropriately and always always remove my gorean group title. I'm not sure who decided it was open season on goreans, but I hate being attacked when I am shopping or playing games, etc, and simply minding my own business.

Many negative aspects of life have been addressed in the hundreds of posts and most of them scream intolerance for something they don't understand, don't want to understand, and refuse to try to understand. Do these things sometime involve gorean people? Certainly. These things also sometimes involve community leaders, gays and lesbians, catholic priests, and military personnel. I don't see these groups being subjected to the gross generalizations that gorean groups are subjected to.

If you want to have a go at understanding some of what we are about, give this website a click and scroll down to essay #70, Gorean Posts. Heck, while you are there, take a peek at the whole site!!

http://www.geocities.com/delphius2002/id3.htm

As far as slaves all being weak and the men weaker, I have to heartily disagree while I agree at the same time. As one poster pointed out, the D/s lifestyle inherently attracts the weak and the weaker. In gorean circles (and I am sure other D/s circles...I cannot speak with any authority about them), a woman who is a known troublemaker or a man who likes to mess with people's heads does not end up staying long. The grapevine in the gorean sims is par none and word DOES get out very quickly.
To submit to another takes a strong, mentally stable person. Most of the slaves I know fall into that category though I do know of slaves who have no business being a slave as their mental state is too fragile. The men my Master choses to surround himself with are not chest beating drama kings out to cyber every girl that passes. They are men who know themselves and know what they want. One poster mentioned a "free ride" and yes, we do get men wandering wanting to know where they can get sex at. Those are shown the door almost instantly. Slaves may be property but we are cared for and protected from the abuses of others.

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A number of women I know from gorean circles also serve a man offline. Please read the following and know that what we do is very similiar to what your grandmothers did back in the 50's. We want to make our man's life as warm and pleasant as possible. Does that make her a deviant? I don't think so.

Housekeeping Monthly 13 May 1955

The good wife's guide

Have dinner ready. Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal ready, on time for his return. This is a way of letting him know that you have been thinking about him and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home and the prospect of a good meal (especially his favorite dish) is part of the warm welcome needed.

Prepare yourself. Take 15 minutes to rest so you'll be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your make-up, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh-looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people.

Be a little gay and a little more interesting for him. His boring day may need a lift and one of your duties is to provide it.

Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main part of the house just before your husband arrives.

Gather up schoolbooks, toys, paper etc and then run a dust cloth over the tables.

Prepare your children. Take a few minutes to wash the children's hands and faces (if they are small), comb their hair and, if necessary, change their clothes. They are little treasures and he would like to see them playing the part. Minimize all noise. At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of the washer, dryer or vacuum.

Try to encourage the children to be quiet.

Greet him with a warm smile and show sincerity in your desire to please him.

Listen to him. You may have a dozen important things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first remember his topics of conversation are more important than yours.

Make the evening his. Never complain if he comes home late or goes out to dinner, or other places of entertainment without you. Instead, try to understand the world of strain and pressure and his very real need to be at home and relax.

Your goal: try to make sure your home is a place of peace, order and tranquility, where your husband can renew himself in body and spirit.

Don't greet him with complaints and problems.

Don't complain if he's late home for dinner or even if he stays out all night. Count this as minor compared to what he might have gone through that day.

Make him comfortable. Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or have him lie down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him.

Arrange his pillow and have him take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soothing or pleasant voice.

Don't ask him questions about his actions or question his judgment or integrity. Remember, he is the master of the house and as such will always exercise his will with fairness and truthfulness. You have no right to question him.

A good wife always knows her place.

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One last thought. I knew when I started reading this thread that somewhere along the way, Cyberwolfman and his website was going to surface and you didn't fail me. I was there in Activeworlds when all this drama was taking place and I don't really appreciate it being trotted out when none of the history of the events or knowledge of context are known by the poster (or readers, I might add!). Cyberwolfman's words are biased based on the limited experiences he obtained via his personal hidden agenda. Please do some research before blindly posting such things.

I don't know when goreans became the official whipping boy of SL but it really sucks. A little tolerance would be appreciated. If any of you have any questions regarding gor, my perception of being a slave, and my mindset, please feel free to contact me in SL. I have been involved in gor in various degrees for the last 22ish years and hopefully can articulate to you why I do what I do.

Before I release snakes into this thread. Let me remind you, since you read and must have missed my 22 different posts in this thread:

One of your motherfucking Goreans made this motherfucking thread.

There.

So now poke yourself in the eye and cry and ask who don it? Oh noes.

From the 1955 advice to housewives:



So I should invite my girlfriend around so we can make out for the entertainment of my future husband?

I'd like to know where Zeph is even getting this info. Have you ever talked to a gorean master or a slave or been involved at gor at all? Are you sheerly relying on hearsay without actually witnessing a single speck of evidence to back up your claims? Most Gorean's if they take the role play seriously treat their slaves lovingly and with a great deal of respect. These copy and paste jobs prove nothing other then another method of belitteling a roleplay community that the writer obviously doesnt know much about. He is stating opinion rather then fact and I'd like to see him back it up.

There are as stated several times some bad people involved in RP communities, but that can be said about all circles in all aspects of life. I dont need to get the last word in but i will post my feelings on the matter when people keep bringing up ignorant comments over and over. The problem isnt people thinking its weird or what not its the fact that because they think its weird or what not they feel it should be banned. This can be said about roleplay protestors in general. The cut and paste job the second time around is just totally absurd stating this.

" The Role Of Fantasy
Nothing is role played as fun ... you have a true tendacy to become that person is real life .Role playing anf fetish is just the start of it"

That is totally off base in any society. Thats a dangerous way of looking at anything at all. People roleplay for fun and to live out a fantasy they do not have anymore a tendency to become the person they role play then sprouting wings and soaring off the planet tommorow. Its just absurd in all nature. You RP an Orc does not mean your likely going to become a big green ugly thing that goes around killing humans. This is a scape goat way of thinking that pushes the blame of a psychological disorder onto other things that so many people throw out there. The attacks against Manson when Columbine happened are another example of this way of think and the kids were not even fans nor listened to his music.

Things are roleplayed for fun and sometimes sexual fantasies. Your entitled to your opinion on the matter but you should not try by any means to get it banned because you think its icky especially when you dont educate yourself with what your speaking about. Slaves do not need to throw away old ties I've had friends that have become slaves that are still friends and we still talk. They arnt to have a bf or gf but thats a given as the master usually takes on such a role. Your lack of knowledge leads me to believe your just trying to stir up trouble and get shits and giggles.

I want my husband to bring home one of his buddies, actually.

*grins evilly*

This is somehow romantic.

Housekeeping Monthly 13 May 1955

The good wife's guide

Left out the most important part of her day: the Valium. 10's not 5's.

Thats statement back in the 1950's meant be happy. The word gay at that time period was not so much associated with homesexualtiy and at the time i do believe it was actually viewed as some kind of psychological disease. So no thats not what it means.

What's pedophilia associated with then?

Really?


LOL

With consent. Different situation and not the topic, except you wish to discuss whether the age of consent is too low or too high in a specific state and context.