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graphicguru Glass
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03-01-2006 08:52
Excuse my ignorance, I don't think I have ever had the pleasure of seeing or getting to know a Gorian. I probably don't know what a Gorian is. I would like to.
Let me go back, way back. You see, I was born in Spain and did not see the USA until I was almost 4 years old. When my family arrived, for the first time in my young life, I saw a black person. This lovely black lady was VERY black, with almost blue black highlights to her skin. My first reaction was to hide behind my mother, and with the trembling voice of a scared young boy, I cried out; "Mommy! There's a black lady!" Well my mother was embarrassed to say the least. The Black lady looked up with the fearful expectancy of someone who had been repressed al her life. But I remember what my mother did. First she apologized, due to my youth and lack of exposure to different cultures. All the while we were at the baggage claim section of the airport where there were adjacent rest rooms for 'whites only' and way down the hall near the back, 'blacks only'. I was young, and did not understand what was going on around me at the time. Because I was white, as I grew up, for the most part I was excepted. My mother saw what had happened at an early age and set about to ensure I had a culturally well-rounded education. I was exposed to many cultures. Since then, I have had the opportunity to live in many parts of the world, see many cultures, observe many cultural isolationist taboos. I also happen to be married to a wonderful 'dark' lady from Mexico. My daughter is soon to marry a black man (with my blessing). I still to this day do not fathom the racist mind, and their over protective behavior. I suppose the closest thing I can relate it to be IGNORANCE. We have two types of ignorance in this world, willful ignorance, and the ignorance that comes about involuntarily by our upbringing.
To make a point, I will be opening up a region in SL soon if every thing goes as I plan. It will be a mature safe zone where the only thing not allowed are harmful scripting and scripted weapons. My plan is to allow ALL races, all cultures; all views except the harassing kind of views. This non-Human seven foot + Elf may not be able to put his foot down against discrimination in other properties, but his own property will be open to all. Ani, you will be one of the first to be invited to visit the way you are, whatever your avi looks like or represents, is ok by me. I personally will not change my appearance to please anyone’s sensibilities. If required to, I will simply IGNORE that person. I will never set foot on their land if they so chose. But God help them if they step foot on my land looking for trouble. Elves are peace-loving creatures who embrace all peoples. Elves are a very understanding and forgiving folk, but we also have long memories.
I suppose it is too bad that Gorian cash is no good in certain districts. To me cash is cash. No matter the hand, or pixel that held it.
I have been in SL all of three weeks now and I see very little difference from RL, even with the fantasy veneer. It is a given that human nature has a territorial fiefdom mentality. Too bad for that, even in an environment where humans go to escape the evils of real life, those evils are part of us, and we carry them with us where ever we go. So why should SL be any different? To be any different, is an impossibility with the human condition we find ourselves in. Human nature is human nature, like it or not. I do not blame you Ani for being a Gorian, and making a conscious effort to reject your natural inclinations as a human. The Vulcans also shed (for the most part) their Vulcan inclinations, however, they still do not allow just anyone access to their inner sanctums. I can relate closely to the Vulcans (being an elf). I on the other hand only have one inner sanctum, my first life bedroom for my wife and I only, and my SL bedroom for those wonderful SL women (whatever race they want to be) and myself.
Cheers to all you free spirits who are not bound by human bigotry, I salute you!
Jonas Pierterson
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03-01-2006 08:52
theres another connotation for 'hey, dumbnut?'
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Toy LaFollette
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03-01-2006 08:55
From: Jonas Pierterson
I'd love to visit there when you have it complete. I should have my samurai outfit (not armor) by that point. :)


TY Jonas, everyone will be welcome. Its only about 1/3 done so far because we are taking our time to details.... Going to have earthquakes, sumo wrestling, kendo matches, pearl diving, a volcano and for fun the Godzilla is finished hehehe

Many good people are involved in this project and if it wasnt for them I doubt I could ever complete it on my own :)
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Jonas Pierterson
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03-01-2006 08:58
Sounds fun:) I love the oriental stuff to visit, but not to live in. Not to mention most of my clothes wouldn't match the surroundings. A good gi or komono is in the works, Ive got one in mind with what I'm not putting to the wedding (tux ran me 1k).

Edit: I have a windmill shuriken I use as a prop and for joshing around with friends. I do not greif with it and its 'high' push is like most weapons low push. I tend to keep it on no damage/no push though. Considering I can set it to no push/damage would walkign around with it be considered harmful?
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Justice Armistice
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03-01-2006 08:59
From: Jonas Pierterson
theres another connotation for 'hey, dumbnut?'

Yes there is, but it would be "childish" for me to say it. Lets leave it at this, I will sink to your level.
Artemis Fate
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03-01-2006 09:00
From: Wgasa Nabob
Thats a very good point, if a roleplaying sim is any good, then there should be no need to force people to conform, and put out clothes etc.

If its a good roleplaying sim, then people will want to fit in, so that they can take part.

Thats a good reason to put out clothes.

Gor is a mediocre fantasy series, that would have sunk without trace without the sex theme. Imagine what someone could do with a decent fantasy book.

Now a New Crobuzon sim, that would be a good RP sim. (And it would be very inclusive, I can't think of any AV types that couldn't be explained away somehow ;) )


Well yeah, Goreans are very poor roleplayers to the point that some don't roleplay at all and that's just what they believe and how they act in RL as well.

And if you'll notice, the gorean books were really gutted in SL gor. They just cut out everything that wasn't directly involved in Master/slave relationships and sex. Hence the reason why in SL Gor, everyone seems to be either a Master of a Slave with rare exceptions, but in the books Slaves and Masters were a small part of the overall population.

If John Norman wrote a new book where all slaves of Gor were set free, and all the men of Gor changed their minds on the genetic superiority of themselves over women. It'd be interesting to see what the Gor community online would do. Probably just outright ignore the book as if it didn't exist.

And yes, i've seen Furries discriminate against human avs except here's the difference. Furry sims don't condone it and they don't force you to change or leave. Generally the furries doing it are considered the a-holes of the community. Gorean sims enforce it and condone it however.

Of course, there's also a limit to what the sim can do in terms of banning people for their appearance. I appear in a dragon av and they tell me to change. Alright, I don't want to but there's not a lot I can do cause apparently i'm disrupting some Master from better subjugating a woman.

Then what if I appear in a woman av and i'm told you can't do this and you can't do that and you're still inferior even though you wear a titler? Whoa, now we have problems.
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Jonas Pierterson
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03-01-2006 09:02
I don't take any criticism about anyones discriminations from someone who openly admits on their profile to their own discrimination Artemis. try another thread.
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03-01-2006 09:02
From: Jonas Pierterson
Sounds fun:) I love the oriental stuff to visit, but not to live in. Not to mention most of my clothes wouldn't match the surroundings. A good gi or komono is in the works, Ive got one in mind with what I'm not putting to the wedding (tux ran me 1k).

Edit: I have a windmill shuriken I use as a prop and for joshing around with friends. I do not greif with it and its 'high' push is like most weapons low push. I tend to keep it on no damage/no push though. Considering I can set it to no push/damage would walkign around with it be considered harmful?


Not at all, I want Kiyoshi to be a fun place for all :)
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stpaulsub Clio
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03-01-2006 09:02
From: Anisa Naumova

But here's where I'm fuzzy:

1. To restate it over and over again until someone explains this to me, I used to be welcome in gor sims. Somewhere along the line this changed. For this change to happen, there has to be a reason. And this reason, I hope, is a very good one.
2. All of the three major groups of people in SL I can think of, as stated above, used to be welcome in gor sims. Now only one is. While it is in their right to do what they will with their own sims, I find it wrong to discriminate against people that look different when in the past, all were accepted.
3. Telling me "you're not allowed in my world" when I used to be part of that world. I don't think I need to explain this one further.





ok
'The sims you were allowed in are gone!
Gor is under new management, and the new mangement has decided they cannot deal with anything that confuses them or does not kiss up to them. Furries confuse them so they are banned
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Justice Armistice
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03-01-2006 09:03
From: graphicguru Glass
Excuse my ignorance, I don't think I have ever had the pleasure of seeing or getting to know a Gorian. I probably don't know what a Gorian is. I would like to.
Let me go back, way back. You see, I was born in Spain and did not see the USA until I was almost 4 years old. When my family arrived, for the first time in my young life, I saw a black person. This lovely black lady was VERY black, with almost blue black highlights to her skin. My first reaction was to hide behind my mother, and with the trembling voice of a scared young boy, I cried out; "Mommy! There's a black lady!" Well my mother was embarrassed to say the least. The Black lady looked up with the fearful expectancy of someone who had been repressed al her life. But I remember what my mother did. First she apologized, due to my youth and lack of exposure to different cultures. All the while we were at the baggage claim section of the airport where there were adjacent rest rooms for 'whites only' and way down the hall near the back, 'blacks only'. I was young, and did not understand what was going on around me at the time. Because I was white, as I grew up, for the most part I was excepted. My mother saw what had happened at an early age and set about to ensure I had a culturally well-rounded education. I was exposed to many cultures. Since then, I have had the opportunity to live in many parts of the world, see many cultures, observe many cultural isolationist taboos. I also happen to be married to a wonderful 'dark' lady from Mexico. My daughter is soon to marry a black man (with my blessing). I still to this day do not fathom the racist mind, and their over protective behavior. I suppose the closest thing I can relate it to be IGNORANCE. We have two types of ignorance in this world, willful ignorance, and the ignorance that comes about involuntarily by our upbringing.
To make a point, I will be opening up a region in SL soon if every thing goes as I plan. It will be a mature safe zone where the only thing not allowed are harmful scripting and scripted weapons. My plan is to allow ALL races, all cultures; all views except the harassing kind of views. This non-Human seven foot + Elf may not be able to put his foot down against discrimination in other properties, but his own property will be open to all. Ani, you will be one of the first to be invited to visit the way you are, whatever your avi looks like or represents, is ok by me. I personally will not change my appearance to please anyone’s sensibilities. If required to, I will simply IGNORE that person. I will never set foot on their land if they so chose. But God help them if they step foot on my land looking for trouble. Elves are peace-loving creatures who embrace all peoples. Elves are a very understanding and forgiving folk, but we also have long memories.
I suppose it is too bad that Gorian cash is no good in certain districts. To me cash is cash. No matter the hand, or pixel that held it.
I have been in SL all of three weeks now and I see very little difference from RL, even with the fantasy veneer. It is a given that human nature has a territorial fiefdom mentality. Too bad for that, even in an environment where humans go to escape the evils of real life, those evils are part of us, and we carry them with us where ever we go. So why should SL be any different? To be any different, is an impossibility with the human condition we find ourselves in. Human nature is human nature, like it or not. I do not blame you Ani for being a Gorian, and making a conscious effort to reject your natural inclinations as a human. The Vulcans also shed (for the most part) their Vulcan inclinations, however, they still do not allow just anyone access to their inner sanctums. I can relate closely to the Vulcans (being an elf). I on the other hand only have one inner sanctum, my first life bedroom for my wife and I only, and my SL bedroom for those wonderful SL women (whatever race they want to be) and myself.
Cheers to all you free spirits who are not bound by human bigotry, I salute you!


Anisa isn't a Gorean, she is not a human, and she is not oppressing furries... She is a furry.
Jonas Pierterson
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03-01-2006 09:03
Sounds good:) I love the way it looks, both in hand and sheathed on the belt. Inspired me to use a simliar weapon in a forum based rp off of SL over the traditional sword or what have you.
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Justice Armistice
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03-01-2006 09:08
From: Artemis Fate
Well yeah, Goreans are very poor roleplayers to the point that some don't roleplay at all and that's just what they believe and how they act in RL as well.

And if you'll notice, the gorean books were really gutted in SL gor. They just cut out everything that wasn't directly involved in Master/slave relationships and sex. Hence the reason why in SL Gor, everyone seems to be either a Master of a Slave with rare exceptions, but in the books Slaves and Masters were a small part of the overall population.

If John Norman wrote a new book where all slaves of Gor were set free, and all the men of Gor changed their minds on the genetic superiority of themselves over women. It'd be interesting to see what the Gor community online would do. Probably just outright ignore the book as if it didn't exist.

And yes, i've seen Furries discriminate against human avs except here's the difference. Furry sims don't condone it and they don't force you to change or leave. Generally the furries doing it are considered the a-holes of the community. Gorean sims enforce it and condone it however.

Of course, there's also a limit to what the sim can do in terms of banning people for their appearance. I appear in a dragon av and they tell me to change. Alright, I don't want to but there's not a lot I can do cause apparently i'm disrupting some Master from better subjugating a woman.

Then what if I appear in a woman av and i'm told you can't do this and you can't do that and you're still inferior even though you wear a titler? Whoa, now we have problems.

I agree with the the confusion of IC and OOC. I was watching a guy, he was talking in character, but he was using OOC things. Unless Goreans have discovered the technology of printers! =O
Artemis Fate
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03-01-2006 09:09
From: Jonas Pierterson
I don't take any criticism about anyones discriminations from someone who openly admits on their profile to their own discrimination Artemis. try another thread.


And I don't try to debate someone who openly admits on another thread that he will never ever conceide to another person's points. Try logging off the forums.
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Justice Armistice
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03-01-2006 09:10
From: Artemis Fate
And I don't try to debate someone who openly admits on another thread that he will never ever conceide to another person's points. Try logging off the forums.

Ahem... -clears throat-

Burn?
prak Curie
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03-01-2006 09:11
From: Justice Armistice
You showed how childish you were when you was took the post into a negative tone.
  1. 11:01 AM
    From: Justice Armistice
    Hey dumbnut

  2. 11:47 AM
    From: Jonas Pierterson
    Now, the clue store is around the corner, no not the parastiic legend one, the freebie store next to it. Good, you got it, now eat your cookie and spend some time thinking about a land owners rights.

  3. 11:52 AM
    From: Justice Armistice
    You showed how childish you were when you was took the post into a negative tone.

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stpaulsub Clio
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03-01-2006 09:11
From: Artemis Fate
Well yeah, Goreans are very poor roleplayers to the point that some don't roleplay at all and that's just what they believe and how they act in RL as well.

And if you'll notice, the gorean books were really gutted in SL gor. They just cut out everything that wasn't directly involved in Master/slave relationships and sex. Hence the reason why in SL Gor, everyone seems to be either a Master of a Slave with rare exceptions, but in the books Slaves and Masters were a small part of the overall population.

If John Norman wrote a new book where all slaves of Gor were set free, and all the men of Gor changed their minds on the genetic superiority of themselves over women. It'd be interesting to see what the Gor community online would do. Probably just outright ignore the book as if it didn't exist.

And yes, i've seen Furries discriminate against human avs except here's the difference. Furry sims don't condone it and they don't force you to change or leave. Generally the furries doing it are considered the a-holes of the community. Gorean sims enforce it and condone it however.

Of course, there's also a limit to what the sim can do in terms of banning people for their appearance. I appear in a dragon av and they tell me to change. Alright, I don't want to but there's not a lot I can do cause apparently i'm disrupting some Master from better subjugating a woman.

Then what if I appear in a woman av and i'm told you can't do this and you can't do that and you're still inferior even though you wear a titler? Whoa, now we have problems.

YAY!!!!
Acually Artemis this is whatr the term Disney Gor refers to or at least what it refered to by teh foilks who 1st started useing the term. i get a huge kick out of teh non disney gor group..a couple of teh members are among those i consider teh worst offenders..lol
but i fully admit i do not know the majority of them
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Jonas Pierterson
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03-01-2006 09:13
Artemis couldn't burn paper with a bonfire :)

Maybe you mistook me for someone of thin skin?
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Grace Loudon
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03-01-2006 09:14
As a Gorean Sim owner...I can tell you without hesitation that I don't care if you are a giant panda running around with wings and polka-dot underwear during your enjoyment of SL. However, when you come to my Gorean roleplay sim, you will respect the atmosphere of the community I and others have worked very hard to create and to keep authentic. This includes being in human form. Don't like it? Don't visit...it's that simple.
Justice Armistice
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03-01-2006 09:14
From: prak Curie
  1. 11:01 AM
  2. 11:47 AM
  3. 11:52 AM

Actually, you missed the post where he said quit yer bitchin'. Which I consider negative, just like you would consider it rude if I told you to "shut the fuck up" (not that I am telling you this mind you.)
Jonas Pierterson
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03-01-2006 09:15
Would you have preferred 'quit complaining, you have no standing here;' or something similiar?
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Justice Armistice
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03-01-2006 09:18
From: Grace Loudon
As a Gorean Sim owner...I can tell you without hesitation that I don't care if you are a giant panda running around with wings and polka-dot underwear during your enjoyment of SL. However, when you come to my Gorean roleplay sim, you will respect the atmosphere of the community I and others have worked very hard to create and to keep authentic. This includes being in human form. Don't like it? Don't visit...it's that simple.

Heh, have you ever considered that such a rule tends to cause more problems than it solves? Hence why you get people that set bombs across your sim or et cetera.
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03-01-2006 09:18
shave
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Justice Armistice
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03-01-2006 09:19
From: Jonas Pierterson
Would you have preferred 'quit complaining, you have no standing here;' or something similiar?

I dunno, but you could have also done a positive thing and not said anything at all, Mr. Jonas.
Justice Armistice
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03-01-2006 09:20
From: Brendan Liberty
shave

X.x I would but my tail and ears would look funny. LOL
Jonas Pierterson
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03-01-2006 09:20
Oh but you see, that would have left your ignorant view on land ownership and their controll of access rights unhindered. Which leads newbies to the opion that you were right - which you weren't.

edit:

From: someone
X.x I would but my tail and ears would look funny. LOL


then detach the attachments.
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