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Justice Armistice
The Legendary Leg-Humper.
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03-01-2006 09:49
From: prak Curie
You misunderstood.

No, I didn't really. If negative content wasn't brought in by teachers, no one would learn from their mistake. Of course, not everyone is going to flip their coin because he replied negatively.
stpaulsub Clio
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03-01-2006 09:51
From: Justice Armistice
Heh, have you ever considered that such a rule tends to cause more problems than it solves? Hence why you get people that set bombs across your sim or et cetera.

WTF??
so..because you wanna stand there and say "i have a right to coem into your house and pee on your floor and you say no..i am gunna bomb you until you give up!"
WTF??
Someone said soemwhere in this thread that there seems to be a awful large feeling of intitlement here and that pretty much nails it..i do not have a right to go into their sim and insult them during a trial no matter how distastefull i find it ...i do not have a right to go into a fur bar as a human and say like it or not i'm here!.... i do not have the right to build things blocking public land to further my role play fun, i do not have the right to run naked thru a PG sim Peopel it is their Home they have every right to allow who and what they wish there, as for the comment about Moderating..they don't need to moderate anything CS i agree with her if we don't liek it..and you know i don't don't go there it really is that simplei admit i went to raise blood pressures there for a long time but it really isn't worth it
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03-01-2006 09:51
From: Justice Armistice
Anisa isn't a Gorean, she is not a human, and she is not oppressing furries... She is a furry.

well then, it doesn't matter to me, I would still like to meet her, she thinks a lot like I do.
like minds attract or compete, and I am a non-competative person.
Justice Armistice
The Legendary Leg-Humper.
Join date: 19 Dec 2005
Posts: 36
03-01-2006 09:53
From: Ordinal Malaprop
If rules are made quite clear on entering and you are simply expected to follow them or leave, I don't see that that's useless. Most people aren't interested in causing trouble or actively breaking rules. You simply have to have a way of dealing with the few who are.

It also has the benefit of treating visitors like grown-ups who can read, rather than potential sim terrorists.

Under the right conditions, a grown-up could turn into a sim terrorist.
prak Curie
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03-01-2006 09:54
From: Justice Armistice
If we were all reasonable, we wouldn't be in a moment of strife.

I absolutely agree. I will not, however, find fault in people electing to start off by treating others as reasonable adults. My world would be greatly diminished if every interaction with a new person required my proving myself as reasonable.

People who have global banning turned on for their land are taking the same position being advocated here. "People are unreasonable, if you really want them to not bother you preemptively cut them off." Oddly, there seems to be less support for their actions.
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Brendan Liberty
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03-01-2006 09:58
I like red beans with rice.
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Justice Armistice
The Legendary Leg-Humper.
Join date: 19 Dec 2005
Posts: 36
03-01-2006 09:58
From: stpaulsub Clio
WTF??
so..because you wanna stand there and say "i have a right to coem into your house and pee on your floor and you say no..i am gunna bomb you until you give up!"
WTF??
Someone said soemwhere in this thread that there seems to be a awful large feeling of intitlement here and that pretty much nails it..i do not have a right to go into their sim and insult them during a trial no matter how distastefull i find it ...i do not have a right to go into a fur bar as a human and say like it or not i'm here!.... i do not have the right to build things blocking public land to further my role play fun, i do not have the right to run naked thru a PG sim Peopel it is their Home they have every right to allow who and what they wish there, as for the comment about Moderating..they don't need to moderate anything CS i agree with her if we don't liek it..and you know i don't don't go there it really is that simplei admit i went to raise blood pressures there for a long time but it really isn't worth it

Nani... No offense, but I barely understood what you just typed here.
Justice Armistice
The Legendary Leg-Humper.
Join date: 19 Dec 2005
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03-01-2006 10:00
From: prak Curie
I absolutely agree. I will not, however, find fault in people electing to start off by treating others as reasonable adults. My world would be greatly diminished if every interaction with a new person required my proving myself as reasonable.

People who have global banning turned on for their land are taking the same position being advocated here. "People are unreasonable, if you really want them to not bother you preemptively cut them off." Oddly, there seems to be less support for their actions.

Actually, I believe that is covered when you try and make a first impression on someone.
stpaulsub Clio
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03-01-2006 10:01
From: Justice Armistice
Nani... No offense, but I barely understood what you just typed here.


non taken
i tend to sorta get rabid and run on
just questioning teh logic of giving into griefers who think they have a "right" to go where they want when they want just because they are there
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Lewis Nerd
Nerd by name and nature!
Join date: 9 Oct 2005
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03-01-2006 10:04
I went to Glorious Ar last night.

I teleported in, was given a notecard which explained the rules.

I picked my 'free male' clothing, put it on, and attached the Guest titler (which took about 2 minutes if that).

I wandered out of the teleport area, past about 6 signs that clearly stated the rules of the rp sim.

I spent about 20 minutes wandering around enjoying the scenery, didn't approach any of the few green dots on the map, I saw nobody observe me and nobody challenged me or spoke to me in any way.

Then I went back home, changed back to my normal outfit, and carried on with my evening's gameplay.

I don't understand why not observing a few simple rules is so much difficulty. In the rest of SL, there are rules..... in the forums there are rules.... if you break them, and are caught, you suffer the consequences.

Why is that such a hard concept for people to understand?

Lewis
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prak Curie
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03-01-2006 10:10
From: Justice Armistice
No, I didn't really. If negative content wasn't brought in by teachers, no one would learn from their mistake. Of course, not everyone is going to flip their coin because he replied negatively.

You chastised Jonas Pierterson for being 'negative.' I am not sure how to read this response as anything other than your also appearing to believe that one can only learn from professionals.

It does not seem likely that I am going to be able to fill in the gaps in your understanding of my position for you.
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Jonas Pierterson
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03-01-2006 10:16
From: someone
The point I was making was that this "Change your appearance or leave" mentality can't work always. What if they tell me to change my skin colour because there's no black people in gor? (there are, but they're usually treated less than animals in the books) And this is on a notecard in the entrance.


Dead wrong, again. The villages (more like cities in the jungles) of Ushindi are majority black skinned, and ruled by such. The Ubar of one such city wa simmensely rich, and had a harem of slaves of various 'races.' Oh, and he was black. Just like most of the people in the region.

Edit: Justice, attachments are attachments. A sim (or other privately owned land) can have rules. You can follow them or leave.
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Turgar Nilsson
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03-01-2006 10:16
Originally posted by Artemis Fate.

From: someone
Not that they do it, but the idea i'm trying to make here is that owning the land does not give you the absolute right to say what is allowed in the sim.


erm...actually, when it simply comes to it being a Gorean roleplaying sim then yes. It DOES.
prak Curie
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03-01-2006 10:17
From: Justice Armistice
Actually, I believe that is covered when you try and make a first impression on someone.

I have met very few people who own the parcels of land I have visited.
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Justice Armistice
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03-01-2006 10:20
From: stpaulsub Clio
non taken
i tend to sorta get rabid and run on
just questioning teh logic of giving into griefers who think they have a "right" to go where they want when they want just because they are there

I didn't say anything about allowing griefers to travel and grief. I am saying that forcing some people to change their representation of themselves, might cause them take up such a practice.
Jonas Pierterson
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03-01-2006 10:21
You want to force Gorean sims to allow furries but not force furries to detach attachments.

The dreaded 'h' word beckons..go towards your destiny.
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Zakka Statosky
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03-01-2006 10:21
Well I can tell you a few stories of Gorean incounters. Let just say even if you follow the rules and be nice and infact not even talk to anyone and even having their observer tags on. They threaten to ban you. Now I am not saying all Gorean people or sims are this way but the majority sure feels like it.
Jonas Pierterson
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03-01-2006 10:25
From: someone
From Brendan I like red beans with rice.


I love red beans and rice

From: someone
From Zakka Well I can tell you a few stories of Gorean incounters. Let just say even if you follow the rules and be nice and infact not even talk to anyone and even having their observer tags on. They threaten to ban you. Now I am not saying all Gorean people or sims are this way but the majority sure feels like it.


The very first thing said to me in a fur sim was 'get out normal human.'

Should this shape my opinion of 100% of fur sims?

On a side note, love the stargate ring system in furnation
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Pyrii Akula
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03-01-2006 10:28
From: Pyrii Akula
I've see this thread has turned into petty insults from the side of the goreans. I'll admit I now have much less respect for goreans if this is the way they wish to talk to other people and behave, then nowonder threads like this are made. I tried to offer some advice to help both sides come out nicely, that's been completely ignored and it's gone back to "If you don't like it, F*** off" comments.

If this is how the goreans wish to present themselves in public, then just leave them be, they aren't worth the hassle, even just for a visit. I personally don't want to be around such ill-mannered people.

I know I shouldn't judge a whole group by a few people, but so many people on the gorean side of the argument are just making petty, insulting and flamebaiting comments.


I quote myself as no-one seems to have ready what I've said and seem to still act like children. Grow up and come up with some constructive comments. I think the argument is well out of the arena for sim rules, and more into the importance of identity. I think, I can't tell with all the slagging off going on. I think this thread is ripe for closing to be honest.
Pyrii Akula
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03-01-2006 10:29
From: Jonas Pierterson
I love red beans and rice



The very first thing said to me in a fur sim was 'get out normal human.'

Should this shape my opinion of 100% of fur sims?

On a side note, love the stargate ring system in furnation


That's furnation, most furs don't even like furnation.
Jonas Pierterson
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03-01-2006 10:30
Pyrrii, I've only seen comments on the level of 'my land, my right' from the goreans on this thread.

on the other hand you have artemis calling goreans throwbacks and people trying to force Goreans to change their rp to suit them..

I think you have it backwards.

Oh, and Artemis..do read the books before judging gorean culture or making cultural references.
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Jonas Pierterson
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03-01-2006 10:32
Luskwood was where I was told to 'get out.'

This should clarify my response to Artemis:

Schendi:

population approx. 1 million people; majority of which is black; headquarters of the League of Black Slavers. Explorers of Gor pg 115;
Slave Markets of Schendi: Ushanga, Mkutu, Utajiri, Dhababu, Fedha, Marashi, Hariri, Kover, Ngoma. Explorers of Gor pg 123;
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stpaulsub Clio
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03-01-2006 10:32
From: Justice Armistice
I didn't say anything about allowing griefers to travel and grief. I am saying that forcing some people to change their representation of themselves, might cause them take up such a practice.

because why?
i'm sorry that logic is just plain sad
if i can't have my way
i'm gunna ruin your fun
sorta childish
we do not have the right to go where we want when we want just because we want to
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03-01-2006 10:36
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prak Curie
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03-01-2006 10:36
From: Memir Quinn
My personal view is if they allow guests and provide a Non-RP tagger, which is worn it shouldn't matter one wit what the guest wearing said tag has as to AV choice.

Unless the non-RP tag is intended mostly to keep visitors from unwanted attention from people who are roleplaying. What would the point be to roleplaying in an expensive 3D world if what was visible was not important to you? It seems like it would be easy enough to treat people with a non-RP tag as background when they actually blend into the background; far harder to ignore the giant penis with Impeach Bush texture, even if they do have a non-RP tag.
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