Yay for discrimination in SL! \o/

Oh, so now you can read his mind? Nice trick!



Since there's no way to go back in time to test that out, it's really irrelevant.

Again, the vehemence of your objection leads me to think this has more to do with you than with Gor. What's going on inside?

Nor did I say it did for my opinion of Gorean, mabye you should read my post first before stating that I may feel 100% this way about gorean sims.
I find that alot of the gorean sims are well made and there are lots of nice people. But the bottom line is there are majorty of those who are a tad pushy. Not to mention the ever increasing "situations" I hear from other people. Also its human trait that your first impression impact what you think of somthing. So you can not blame me for not nessarly liking Gorean sims. I suppose what I am saying is its not the "sim" I dislike is how alot of the people who Roleplay Gorean react towards guest to their sims. Sure one can act anyway they wish towards somone if they own the sim per-say. Either way, my impression stands, and I am sure my own thoughts on the whole subject of gorean "culture" is a disrespect to years of war and freedom causes, effect my view as well. All things do, while there are Furrie sims I am not so found of either, yet at the same time there are some furrie sims I abosulely love visiting.

Bottom line is people should just treat others with respect and kindess, especialy if they are just visiting a sim and causing no trouble.

I often go around as a child and I am also asked to leave alot of places as I am told no children allowed, Well I'm not a child as everyone here has to be 18 or older so I don't know what the big deal is. What if I was playing a small person should I be banned and kicked out of places? isn’t that discrimination of small people? I think it is and it is a shame that many people can't look past the avatar and remember it is an adult human behind the character.

people hate me for being too white.. and then learn to fear clowns

Who is a furry?


Do all fur themed sims have a stated, endorsed, and actively enforced notecard delivered, sanctioned, publicly displayed policy against all human AVs visiting or attending their sims? Would certainly come as a shock to the owners of Lusk et al, although I do seem to recall there being such a policy in gor sim in regards to any 'non-human' Av, even if its only pointy ears.

So yeah;



... and as before it's their right to be intolerant, in so far as LL is concerned, doesn't make their choice right though, just the path of some intolerant folk I'd chose to avoid.

Since you've obviously missed the first two cutes, have some more.

http://kittens.sytes.org/

I don't need to read his mind and I don't need to go back in time to test it out. Everything is in the books and the philosophy put out. All you need to do is apply it to the real world.

This whole thing is an interesting example of irresistable force/immovable object, isn't it?

On the one hand, you have Gorean sim owners who strongly believe it is their right to set rules for their property as they see fit, public opinion be damned.

On the other, you have people who believe their chosen appearance should be accomodated at anytime, in any place, public opinion be damned.

/me goes off to make some popcorn and enjoys the rest of the show.

As I have really no interest in all things fur, I really don't know. I *do* know that I have a friend who went to a fur sim (don't know which) and was accosted for being human. So, pot, kettle, black, zing. Whatever. There are enough idiots in the world that they can be found on any side of an argument.

Yep, nothing like the old,

"a friend of my neighbor's cousin three times removed roomies, dog groomer's, best friend from college whom had something happen to her when visiting some place but cant remember when, what, or where exactly"

-pot-kettle-black-zinger.

That certainly puts in to perspective an active, stated, sanctioned, and regularly enforced intolerant policy, but no seriously, who is furry?

Yeah, OK, insinuate I'm lying if it makes you feel better. I know what I know. I don't need your agreement to feel good about that.



I'm happy to let people self-define.

My two cents:

I own a furry avatar for visiting furry sims (if I want something more extravagant than my neko getup). If I want to visit Epsilon, I wear my dragon av. And if I want to visit a rping sim that prefers human characters, I am going to wear that. It's called courtesy.

If I visit a RL house that asks that you remove your shoes before you enter, I either remove my shoes or don't bother.

When I am with friends who identify strongly with their non-human avatars, I don't go into places they can't go. It's called courtesy.

I'm not horribly fond of Gor (and I've been there). But I'm not going to go and deliberately ignore their rules, because I've no desire for someone to do that to me. They want their RPing environment, they paid money to have one. They want it in a certain theme and /that theme does not contradict the TOS/, I might add - their right to dictate what happens on their land between consenting adults.

I've only ever met one Gorean who expressed a dislike of furries in general. Furries (and aliens and femdoms and other non-canon people) who insist on disrupting their dearly-held atmosphere, however, are disliked, and I can't blame them. Additionally, if you enter a RP sim in which there are "warriors" - well, don't be surprised if further discourtesy is met with a warlike response.

Pysra's absolutely correct. You may identify with your casual clothing, but you shouldn't be surprised when a maitre'd comes up and huffs at you for being inadequately dressed.

Both Goreans and furries get a LOT of crap when they leave their sims. I cannot blame /either/ side for wanting control over what goes on in their sims. Goreans tend towards a more authoritarian view, and are backed by their respective governments. I've had run-ins with furries who had no problem making SL less pleasant for non-furry avs.

It isn't the exclusively human set of Gor that pisses people off, it's the culture in general... which is why Goreans get s*** even when being polite. (A friend of mine was repeatedly insulted while on EvenTide for having the audacity to be from Gor; he was doing nothing but shopping.)

Port Cos was destroyed recently. Anyone remember that? The Lindens restored it. In that light...

There are real things to be upset by - not being allowed on one of several hundred virtual lands because you refuse to alter your virtual appearance for the sake of virtual courtesy isn't one of them.

And Toy - SUMO WRESTLING? AWESOME!

So why bring 'furry' up at all?

None of the fur themed sims I've visited have an sanctioned, endorsed, or stated policy against human AVs let alone enforced. So why bring it up as (what one would assume was meant to be) some sort of counter point to the clearly stated, endorsed, sanctioned and enforced policy of the majority of Gor sims if that counter point fall flat on its face?

Doesn't make sense to me and yeah, if any fur themed sims did have such a policy I'd say they were doing it for ego boo too, but here is the thing they aren't so my opinion of the real reasons behind the gor intolerance remains that its;

*shrug*

Ask the original poster.

Artemis:

"This is what Martin Luther King Jr. talked about, the idea of Just laws and unjust laws, and he was criticized for breaking laws. But he defended this in his Letter from Birmingham jail by saying that an unjust law should not only be ignored but is your duty to disobey it."

This is what we call "hyperbole". I am not sure exactly how you find it comparable, but thanks for the giggle.

She didn't raise the suggestion of a fur sim; stated, sanctioned, and endorsed intolerance (which doesn't exist by the by) as a counter point to the very real stated, sanctioned and endorsed intolerance in the gor sims. You did, which was why I asked you.

I wonder...
I've never heard of anything like this happening but theoretically would the Lindens intervene (or even speak?) in the following situation:

Avatar A wears a religious icon (Cross, Pentacle, Star of David, Star and Crescent, Goat of Mendes, you name it) that expresses his/her real life religious beliefs.
Avatar B feels that real life religion is not appropriate for the RP environment and tells Avatar A to take it off or leave.

Would that be SL discrimination?

Would the Lindens step in?

Would it be wrong to ban a RL religious symbol from a sim?

Would we trust the reasoning of someone who would ask for the symbol to be banned strictly for "role playing reasons?"


Note: This is not a comparison to the current situation, just a theoretical question.

I guess to point out that those who spend time in fur-based sims aren't necessarily all that tolerant, either. One group put their requirement in a note; the other apparently didn't. The end effect is the same.

Why are you so curious about my motive?

Amber, that's a damned good question.

One of the big differences I have discovered in my limited experience of both Gor and furries is thus:

Most Goreans are aware that they are roleplaying a situation, which they are able to 'step out' of and into reality at the end of it. Only a small minority actually live the Gorean lifestyle 24/7.

However, a lot of furries are actually far more serious about their 'lifestyle' and go to great lengths to develop their 'fursonality' almost to the exclusion of their 'human side'. Far more furries have fursuits and dress up than your average Gorean probably does.

I haven't met many Goreans who really believe that they are living on a 'counter Earth' and are merely trapped here in a human body - whereas a lot of furries believe they are indeed an animal trapped in a human body.

Maybe I've just not noticed them, but I don't see many "Gorean Conventions" advertised - however there are many furry conventions.

Personally, I don't understand either as a 'full time' thing.... but that's just me.

Lewis

"I'm just shopping, carry on."

I mean, Gor-folk gotta go to market too, you know.

Although the type of slavery was very different. Slaves between tribes could often be ransomed, the children of a slave was often made a free member of the tribe, and in general it wasn't based around a noxious racist philosophy.

Very true!
Appreciate the suggestions. I'm evidently over thinking!

from community standards:

No it isn't.

One group put their intolerance in a note, posted it on signs, sanctioned it and happily supported, encouraged, and enforced it.

The other did nothing. That isn't the same.

You can find arses of all stripes all over the grind mainland or islands, that does not mean the arses are representative of whatever group they belong to however.

The difference with gor however is that its intolerance is active, sanctioned, encouraged and gleefully enforced policy and principle. A very different monkey, huge difference in running across an occasional intolerant dolt in any sim and a sim whose mandate is to be intolerant as a matter of course and policy.





Wasn't your motive I was interested in, was trying to gently encourage you to see my point by leading you through your counter point logically.