Yay for discrimination in SL! \o/

I'm trying to wrap my head around the concept of why this is a big deal.

Someone owns an island - they get to say who goes there and what happens there - just like a mainland parcel of land.

Wow. this thing is still going?

Or Ancient Greeks, or Isreali's, or African, or Norse, or Sioux, or Chin, or Egyptions, or Roman....Plug any of those into that statement... i guess my point is almost every culture in Human history has taken slaves and or taken land from others. Which i guess is sorta off topic....

Actually, I wasn't talking about the Priest Kings, but thats a good point too. I actually ment the Kurii and of course other various minor species like Swamp Spiders...

Edit: Just wait till the thread creator finds my new island of HatetowhiteykillthejewsyaynazisIhateblackpeople

Well, I think the issue that's come up is that this might be a slippery slope argument, since if every landowner in SL started making rules about what AV you had to wear in the area, the ability to customise an av would become moot.

All the people I know active in RL BDSM look hate RL Goreans, because they feel they give the scene a bad reputation.

*tries to remember if there was a point to this thread, or if it was just random Gor bashing*

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As there have been hundreds if not thousands of landowners since SL began, and the vast majority care not a JOT, what Avs wear on their land, I really don't think it will make a shred of difference.
Equally, LL's will be more than aware that the second they remove the rights of a private sim owner to determine the rules on THEIR land, then a whole lot of people contemplating buying islands are going to opt not to.

And just going way back again....to the root of the problem..... let me just see if I've gotten it right.

Someone forks out $1250 of thier OWN money, to create THEIR own virtual world. They happen to be fans of a particular genre of book. They then spend even MORE dollars on commissioning people to help build that concept in terms of architecture, and flora and fauna. They then spend even MORE, ...$195 per month, to keep the island going .
Rather than simply make the island private and unavailable (and I've tp'ed into sims where the second I've landed, I've been ejected with the message "not a member you have been...etc etc", and while that is a pain, it's their right to do so), the person opens the sim for visitors who are POLITELY requested on arrival, to follow the rules of the sim and wear an observer tag. Even providing clothing to further immerse should they choose. This way, people who may be intrigued by Gor, are able to see it at first hand and decide "yes, I like it...I'd like to get involved"...or "hmmm...lot of people standing around...it's dull"....or "what a lot of misogynistic crap".
In spite of ALL of this...... we are expected to accomodate the views of people who pay nothing toward the sim, contribute nothing to it in terms of roleplay, and indeed go so far as to berate the whole concept to all who'll listen.
Where does it say "you will and MUST visit a Gorean sim!!"
It doesn't. You don't agree with the rules (and thats different to not agreeing with the Gorean concept) fine...... spend the dollars yourself, and create Anti-Gor. I'll HAPPILY visit..and guess what....leave a notecard on arrival point, and I'll comply with YOUR sim owners rules.
Yes, I know this thread is going around in circles, and I'm adding to it......but each day returning to the forums and seeing its still going...well...red rag to a bull.
(That's if we're ALLOWED to use animalistic imagery in forum posts?)

Yeah, my question too. Coming from a non-discriminator (myself) point of view, I find it difficult, if not impossible, to fathom the neo-nazi state of mind. This thread is a dead issue at this point because there are people who refuse to get along with thier neigbors. A RL issue repeating it'self in SL. have we not progressed at all since WW11? Will the human race ever learn from thier mistakes? Probably not in my lifetime, sad, sad, sad.
P.S. Exactly what is a Gorian anyway, and what is so special about them that they feel so superior?

LARP is not any more real.

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Well Graph, I'm glad you're non-discriminatory....in responsse to your last question...It's Gorean (with an E not an I). Stick it into Google, and you'll find all you need to know.
As for the latter part..... I've never considered it makes me "special", and certainly in no way superior. The again, this thread started out as a question on the right of a sim owner to determine the way their sim is run. I think it goes beyond the Gorean question. I think, if you can bear to, you might try and read thru all 24 pages of the thread, and try and balance the views rather than assuming that Goreans (SL that is) feel the way you suggest.

Uh... Lets just say, to some of the people. They aren't roleplaying.

It doesn't matter if some of them ar enot roleplaying. Its roleplay on SL and those rules apply. Someone tries to pull you from your observer status to a slave? ignore him. Worst case scenario: one less sim to visit.

Whats the big deal?

Well, being non-discriminating, you might actually want to learn a little bit about it and the people who play it before you say things like that and compare them to neo-Nazis.

The inability of some people to be able to distinguish fantasy and reality does not make it any more real.

I think there are a lot of us having that problem.

*blows referee whistle*

10 yard penalty on Turgar for excessive use of reason and/or logic!

(Non-contributory, I know, but I think that any value this thread may have had was lost by about page 2, using the highest posts/page setting. )

Ha, hooked you didn't I? Ok..The only thing I got from this thread was "its too bad the gorean's have the "best act in town" Yes, I would love to see an "active, well organized Role Play (preferably in the Stargate Universe) which is run by a GM and has a wide array of scripted objects, "hit point counters" , binoculars, etc., and Protagonist/Antagonist players, following a loosely defined scenario, each with a little bit of information that no one else has maybe. I looked, and was unable to find anything close, although some of the stargate builds out there are TOTALLY AWESOME! So, I'm creating one myself. It will take weeks, maybe months and a whole slew of builders/scripters/animators/designers. I suppose I will finance the majority of it myself. IM me if you want to help build this thing.

As for the 25 pages of this thread, here's what I think.

I don't particularly care for the Gorean culture, either. It doesn't appeal to me. However, it does appeal to THEM. I once visited the Gorean village and they had a little sign there explaining that to observe please wear these clothes and this title. Hey, no problem. I was more than happy to do so. As a result, I very much enjoyed my tour of the sim, even though I didn't particularly agree with the culture. And guess what, in my Stargate Roleplay, HOW DO YOU ALLOW FURRIES AND KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE STARGATE UNIVERSE?? Are there any furries anywhere in Stargate? No. (unless you count the Nox lol) Could there be? Sure, but they would have to be aliens inhabiting a visited world. Could a furry join up and be part of an SG team? Well, SG-1 had aliens on the team, all allowed by special circumstance. As the world stands now, furries (or whatever the alien species would be called in the Stargate Universe) do not exist, therefore to preserve the integrity of Stargate certain protocol would have to be followed to allow them to play. For instance an SG team would have to DISCOVER the furry planet, Stargate Command/Earth would have to make an ALLIANCE with the creatures and after a large space of time possibly allow one to JOIN an SG team. If you want to play though, wouldn't it be easier just to switch to a human AV?
So that is my argument AGAINST the first topic in this thread

Now here is my argument FOR the first topic in the thread
If a furry (or any other non-human) wanted to OBSERVE the roleplay, they could do so in whatever form they wished, since anyone with the observer title is treated as invisible and consequently ignored. Who cares what they look like if they are OBSERVING.

Hmmm...One argument turned out to be a lot longer than the other.


That's all I got folks. Again, interested in building a totally awesome Roleplay? IM me.

Well I've seen some fairly constructive arguments from the furry side about furries in gorean sims, but the goreans have done nothing but pie slinging with "Don't like it? Tough"

Personally, who in the name of the great white hankerchief wants to visit a sim full of people who behave like that?

Tat's the only opinion I can draw from this thread.

I suppose the arguments of 'privately owned sim' and 'roleplay environment' passed -right- by you.

No point in trying to show the truth to soemone who does not wish to see. All I've seen so far is Gorean bashing and entitlement claims..if they want everyone who uses their sim to use a human av..then use it, or go. They paid to own the sim..

edit: for the record, I've seen no constructive argument from the furries wanting to visit Gor by the same rules everyone else does. You aren't special. You don't get special treatment.

Is there a way, with the Estate tools, to lock a sim from being accessed by specific Groups?

I'd love to see Gorean groups banned from furry-friendly sims. IMO turn-about is fair play... Furries tend to be easier to identify by sight that your typical gorean, so the gorean security patrols have little trouble identifying them. Goreans would be easier to identify by their groups, I'd think.

-Ghoti

Ghoti....just a small point.....most Goreans, if visiting ANY other sim, whether it be furry, political, shopping, donut loving, Bush hating.......WHATEVER...would comply with the sim owners request for how they want their visitors to be or behave.
Personally......if I were to visit a furry sim, and the notecard indicated that a furry av was required, then I'd don one if I had such, use one, if it were on offer, or leave if I wasn't ABLE...or didn't WANT to comply.
Thats the issue...and we're back to going around in circles.
I don't see this as a "furry versus Gorean" issue....merely a "compliance with the GUY PAYING THE BILL'S request.

Really depends on your group. Personally I see it was fair..if the Goreans want to rp fur free then the furs can rp Gor free. Or not. The individual estate or sim owner choice.

Example: I belong to a group called 'Sensual Domination.' Is it gor? No. Might it offend someone personally? Maybe. Their land they can ban me if they want, no loss to me. Hell, in world I'm 100 times as easy to get along with as I am here Unles syou go after my sl fiance or rl fiances avs...but thats me being protective.

Edit: Tulgar posted mid my writing

I make an effort to blend in.. in fur sims I were a furry av (I have plenty of freebies and 2 nonfreebie). In sci fi sims, I tend to dress normally..though I have a robot av if requested by sim owner. (407 prims though)

The important part is the owner of the sim/estate pays the bills..its his home, his rules. I don't crash into random peoples hosue and prop my feet on their coffee table..

Compared to "free accounts will make more furries" this thread has

* furries
* Goreans
* landowner rights

not just

* furries
* free accounts

What's more, it was actually started seriously, rather than as a troll, not that this makes any difference given that nobody posting on "free accounts..." in the last few weeks/months seems to have read more than the title.

My thesis is thus that it will, given time, build up more posts than "free accounts...".

Would any resident care to calculate and graph dp/dt, where p is the number of posts, to further examine this?

Fair enough, but I hate the "rule" playing. It seems a lot like they want to have their cake and eat it too; having the perks of high traffic numbers but still wanting to be very selective about the crowd at the door.


Maybe they would just be better off as a private sim, that would squelch the criticism and remove the non-player element all together.- it's not as if hihg traffic would count for much soon anyway. Or.. instead of a titler, they gave something that made guests invisible and muted.

But I agree with what you're saying, I just think that it's little hypocritical to acknoledge and allow non-players around, but still forcing them to conform to an arguably strict degree.

Man. Of all the threads to necropost, why did this stinker have to be brought back?