Yay for discrimination in SL! \o/

Its not the same though, any "normal" person can walk into a gorean sim, keep their out of place clothing and attachments, so long as they have an observer title, furries cant get away with this.

In the real life places you listed, you can't even get in the door unless you are a part of the group... if the gorean sims were invite only, then it would be a reasonable perrallel for me and I'd agree.

So, the problem isn't that there somewhat exclusive, it's that they're not exclusive enough?

Also, I think the Baptist church, health club and even the F&AM would let you in the door. The might restrict what you could do once you're inside (ie, no lodge meeting, but come on in and we'll chat about who we are).

Not all themed sims are the same. Same goes that not all Gorean sims are the same. Some are pretty lax, just wear your titler and your fine. Some would require you to change into more conservative clothes to get in. They're perfectly fine. It's their sim, it's their rules. No one is dragging you to go there. It's all a matter of dresscode, and not a discrimination of your lifestyle, choice, sexuality, race, religion or what not. A point hammered in delicately and by some not so delicately, in so many times this thread.

I don't know why people can't understand that. It's like complaining about a fine dining restaurant with a strict dress code that refuses to serve you since you'r wearing shorts and flipflops. Maybe they should be sued because, "you know, my wearing of shorts and flipflops is like my expression of self, you know. It's discrimination I say! A descrimination against all shorts and flipflop wearers out there! And they wouldn't even let me wear my mcdonald's costume too! Or my mickey mouse mascot I stole on my last trip to disneyland! *gasp* That restaurant is soooo discriminatory!! oh my god! someone call the police! Get my lawyer! I must sue this restaurant and this haughty waiter with a ridiculous moustache for not serving me!! I am so OPPRESSSEEEDDDD!!!!" *whine whine whine*

But if you simply posted a sign saying This sim is a role playing area based on Bronze Aged Britain. Please choose an appropriate appearance, clothing and accessories. Thanks, and have fun."

Wouldn't that do the same without causing any problems?

"So tell me, why should I respect comments like "Shut up" and "Big words guy""

I don't believe I said "shut up" to anyone, and Big Words Guy is not you. I didn't ask you to respect me.

"Its pretty clear to me that you've grown up hating the "big words" and think they are just attempts to show off,"

I pointed out the big word in order to further belittle the person who told me not to condescend to him. Great, now you've gone and made me explain the joke and spoilt it for everyone. Go stand in the corner.

"Its not the same though, any "normal" person can walk into a gorean sim"

There is no "normal" on Second Life. All they ask is that you look human. Looking human is by no means "normal" in this world.

I'll ask again...why do you care about visiting Gors if you hate them, and why do you feel you have the right to tell them how to run their own affairs? Welcome to capitalism and the world of free-market choice; if you don't like it, don't buy it, don't frequent it.

Musuko.

Didn't work anyway. You're gunna have to work alot harder to belittle me. This is not an invitation. Its a warning. Keep it up and you're gunna get ARed for personal attacks.

-Ghoti

"alot"

Aww. Now you went and spoiled it.

Ghoti, why do you care if Gor's don't want you wearing what you like in their home sim? Do you want to be a furry Gor?

Raise the money and start your own sim for it then. You and Cilis can be happy and frolic there.

Here's a thought: why aren't you complaining about all those PG sims that won't let you walk around naked with your cock/boobs out?

Musuko.

Ahhh thanks! Guess I should be using a spell-checker.



Because I'm a crusader for truth, justice, and the American way!

What made you think I care if goreans want me or don't want me in their sim? It has very little to do with me in particular and much more to do with pointing out discrimination in general. And by the way, I agree that they have the right to be discriminatory if they want to be, just as I have the right to point it out as being wrong (not 'against the rules', wrong.)

I am neither a furry (I'm a Neko... a catgirl... I guess only furry in a loose sense. I have a tail, ears, and foot-paws, not a full-blown furry avatar) and neither am I dominant nor submissive. I am for personal responsibility.



I already have a place to frolic, thanks.

-Ghoti

"Because I'm a crusader for truth, justice, and the American way!"

And the American way is "your private property is yours, not anyone else's". What you're championing is facism/nationalism; we decide what you do.

"What made you think I care if goreans want me or don't want me in their sim?"

Your posts in this thread.

"much more to do with pointing out discrimination in general."

Please give me the links to your posts complaining about PG sims, fancy restaurants, historical recreationist meets, pride marches (turn up in an SS uniform and see how welcome you'll be), etc etc etc.

If it's in general, and not this specific group of people, then you can demonstrate your outcries against discrimination in all these other places.

I eagerly await them!

Musuko.

Ah, but see, this thread is about gorean discrimination. You're more than welcome to view all of my posts and look for other examples yourself, if you're really that interested.



Mine was meant to be a snide comment.

But really, your comment is backwards. It's the enforcers in the gorean sims who are saying what we should do. I think the only comment I've made where I've said anything about what they should be doing was to say they should lock up their sims.

What I'm championing is honesty. If you want people to come shop in your sims, accommodate their differences. If you don't want to accommodate people's differences, then don't hold the door open, only to slam it in certain people's faces.

-Ghoti

*bangs head on wall*

Every post of yours is you telling them what they should do.



They *are* being honest. They tell you up front on the rule card what is expected. You don't want honesty; you want accomodation, as you yourself say...






No door is being slammed, fer chrissake. You want to go to the four-star restaurant, wear a jacket and tie. Same thing.

I am still sorting out why anyone would want to go into a gorean sim? I am all for people expressing themselves and such-live and let live. I just find the concept of enlavement of women as a gender relatively offensive.

I suppose I don't really see it as discrimnation to exclude certin types of conduct from your area. Frankly if someone showed up in my living room and started saying "this girl..." I would ask them to leave. It saddens me to see my female freinds caught up in this degradation, even though all of them say its something they want, and I should get over myself. Eh.

I would not expect the goreans however, to allow me to fly arouns thier sims in my Corsair, shooting up the place with my 6 wing mounted .50 cals.

Jake, Jake, Jake. That's another thread and another flame war.

Personally, I'm very ambivalent about the whole thing. I've played around in them and I do sell outfits for roleplayers. But I can't be in Gor anymore myself.

I thought everyone there was just role playing. Some are; some really believe in it.

Can't help it, though. I still dig the clothes.

I guess I just have a fatal attraction to strong women. And as far as clothes go, skimpy is not always sexy.

My point was on my land I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, and its understandble that on Gorean sims, they set the rules.

Keep banging.

See, what I really want, is to get a rise out of people. Seems to have worked.

At this point I'll relent because the game is up. Sure. They own the sim. They have the right to run it in whatever way they choose. In the same vein, I have the right to complain, though not to demand that they do anything but follow their bliss.



The fact remains, furry-types used to be welcome, and now are caged and banned. I'd call that a slammed door.

-Ghoti

[edited to correct spelling]

Smart is sexy, IMO.

Clothes are just fun.

It all depends on your fetish, now doesn't it?

Holding the door open is not the same as failing to lock it.

a anti furry thread again?!

The only reason I give 2 craps about gorean sims is that I used to sell animations to them as much as other people, and I used to buy sex toys from their shops.

I wont do either anymore. I've mostly stayed out of this thread for awhile because I wasn't going to respond to a load of condisending tripe but really, even if you own land you can't just shoot someone. Banning someone effectively kills them from your parcel or sim, its the same thing to me.

The only places that are like that are third world, and have changes in power so fast its nuts... then again thats how most gorean sims are....

Oh well, at least I wont support womenizing and I wont do business with anyone else that does.

Thanks for opening my eyes... well actually a friend opened my eyes to exactly what I was arguing for access to, a place I never really even cared about and thought would be best gone anyway... brainwashing is bad M'kay?

Well, actually, yes you can - and thats the whole crux of the argument.

An Island is no different from any other land parcel and if you own it you can ban, set to damage, shoot, whoever you like that sets foot on it.

It may not be the most friendly of moves, but it is entirely permissable.

Is "brainwashing" what they now call "choosing freely to associate with a particular group whose social rules (for lack of a better term, off the top of my caffeine-deprived head) you are in disagreement"?

Thanks for letting me know, I'll update my mental database accordingly.

About 5 minutes before the Earth is cooked by the sun as it expands into the red giant phase.

Well Ms Ghoti i see it as a thread about a feeling of intitlement!
The i can be me but you can't mentality that has taken over US culture.
you know my opinion of the Disney Gorean sims but your soultion of not going there is a good one.

it is a dress code nothing more.
and for teh record
yes i have been made to feel as uncomfortable in Fur areas as i have in Gorean ones

First i want to say, im a Merchant in a lot of Gorean sims...and i know the Gorean way as i practiced it myself for a while. Everybody has stated the rules here..."don't like it, leave".... i agree with this, really. As it has been said too, its a matter of courtesy.

I went there once (to Port Cos actually) with my elf avi...wearing my Merchant titler...i thought i would pass by and noone will notice me but i got asked to change to human, just cus my ears were longer than the normal human are...so i did change, i broke up a rule and i knew i did...i went other day to Lydius wearing my ears and tail that happen to be something i started to be fondle for and i rarely take them off, i got asked same to detach them, i never felt dicriminated, i was breaking their rules they were right to ask me to change. And losing my so loved tail and ears, didnt made me feel i lost part of myself or my represantation in SL got cut for this said rule. I accept i change a lot, you can call me a shape shifter, im not 100 % furry, nor 100% Vampyr, nor 100% goth...maybe thats why i didnt take offense on they asking me to remove them. Outside of gor any shape i assume, i never take my ears and tail off.

I harldy believe that for being a 'furry' you walk out of the 'safe zone' and get banned/caged/harrased instantly... they ask you to change to human avi, after you read the rules of what is expected from you and you walk in the RP area, not obeying them. Only if you get all mouth full...they proceed to cage/ban you. If they do politly or not, ask you to change to human, eeh well not everybody can be all smiles and sweetness...most of them had to deal with griefers more than once or twice a week or even a day, it is not nice to be RPGing and suddenly get pushed away from some sort of device a griefer wanted to set up in the sim and pick up from where you left your RP and be all smily and polite ALL the time....or maybe they just had a bad day? dont tell me you are always pink and roses...

....i just want to know...where on the 'wear a human avi' anyone refered only to furries?....its in general, i dont see Robot/mecha feeling discriminated, i dont see elf/fairies/unseelies feeling discriminated...i dont see goth/vampyr feeling discriminated....Why the Furs then, why do you all go...'its againts me' like? and i want to ad...i have an SL furry bro, and lots of furries myself (last time i checked 15 or so) because i dont have anything againts furries.

Quote: The only places that are like that are third world, and have changes in power so fast its nuts... then again thats how most gorean sims are....

now this i find discriminating and out of place. The comparison you made is even more stupid than all the fight going on here. And you are the one asking to be not discriminated, to be tolerated and to let you go in as ever you feel like it in a private sim that has simple rules to follow?

Sorry for my spelling or my wrong use of the english...if i did, im a non american and i happen to live in a non english speaking third nation ...THAT last time i checked, had the same goverment for the past six years...again...the statement looked like you were talking for ALL the third nations...you fell on the same you were trying to get your point across...not all furries are griefers, not all furries dislike gor....


ugh and this ended up being longer than i wanted...

Bravo Keishii. Next time I'm inworld, I'm sending a Box Of Love and some positive ratings your way.

Musuko.