Yay for discrimination in SL! \o/

For example corvus and I were say something akin to this.

In the sim he has pictured, you're basically a ghost (not allowed to roleplay, roleplayers ignore you, guard will take you back to the "forign quarter"(shops, no-rp zone))) until you've gone through "orinentation"

Basically his helpers and himself would explain the world, the practices, and stress how you keep yourself safe while taking part in the world, and any red flags one should be on the watch for, after that you get your character gem and you're free to go make a mark on the new game setting.

I think if most of the serious RP zones had such "babysteps and safty steps" programs, much of the drama wouldn't form, and a lot less girls/ guys would be taken in by dangerous people.

It'll be crash-course style though. Just enough to prepare the person then drop them into the culture. Many things, such as registering yourself as a slave with the City Watch, will involve character interaction and something that says "Hey, this is what you're getting yourself into" so you aren't presented with information you don't need, but at the same time get it when you need it.

Good point, tell them if they want to be a character that is slave-able, they have to seak a guard who'll help them get set up, but also give them the needed lecture.

It'd keep the intro short, but helpful, and what they're really interested in comes later without a lot of boring things they dont need (Like how to get a vendor if they dont intend to sell anything)

If thats what you're saying, I think its a pretty good way to go about it.

This is the same reason I usually wear my Dragon AV when exploring elf lands, its in context, I am a creature of fantasy, as they are. I tend to do the same in Furry lands. When I visit Gor lands I have clothing semi appropriate even if my AV is a little more conventional (modern) looking.

An attempt to change yourself to suit those you are visiting is often received with appreciation and friendship. They appreciate it as it shows a willingness to meet them halfway. The first time I went to elven lands I landed smack into one of the admin types for there on my TP, was still wearing my typical night club outfit and EEP'd and said "Let me turn into my more appropriate form" and switched to a dragon right quick so I could fit with the surroundings. She sayed that she appreciated the effort ; ).

Don't demand respect for your own ways if your not prepared to give that same respect back to others. Nuff said.

Might I propose that it'd also be a good idea to have the orientation area somewhere off the RP island, and then hide (or make private) the island?

The reason is that you probably can't expect people to be around to do orientations 24 hours a day, and someone who arrives when there isn't an orienter around is going to have a fairly unpleasant experience of flying around getting ignored and then getting kicked into a "foreign quarter".

In my own experience a friend took me onto an RP island where the first thing I saw on a wall in front of me was a list of rules basically telling me that as I wasn't a "member" I could expect to be ignored and giving a list of the people who were allowed to RP there. Now, at that point for all I knew it was an island someone had just bought for their own group to use, and had no real reason to be public. I did later meet up with some people there who told me it was open to people to join, but I wasn't sure about going to talk to them at first because they might have been RPing and I didn't want to disturb them.

If instead the "orientation station" (possibly in a small mainland area, such as the island owner's spare Premium 512) was listed in Find/Classifieds etc. then anyone arriving there would immediately know that a) new folks were welcome; b) there was an orientation; c) the only problem was that no-one was around to do it at the time.

Actually Yumi.... this is exactly what I am aiming to do with the former Island of Tyros, which is now the Port of Jasmine. I took note of things being said in this particular thread, and decided the only way to see what COULD work, was to dive in and see.
What we have built so far, is an arrival point on Jasmine inside a "spacecraft" similar to that which would bring people from earth in the mythos of Gor. Inside the craft, is the usual information, and details of how one goes about RP'ing on Jasmine. Attached to the "craft" is the market, which will feature many of the designers and sellers active in SL Gor.
Only citizens of Jasmine are then able to transport down to the surface. A further area around the docks will be made accessible to citizens of other recognized Gorean communities.
In this way, ANYONE, whether furry, mech, tiny, et al, is able to visit for information purposes, but will not have to be asked to leave for interrupting the role play on the sim itself.
Fingers crossed that once we are open...hopefully in the next two weeks, it will work...

what about the explorers? time and dimensions drifters that visit stealthly different worlds?

I might be a bit biased but I'm not so sure about this sort of thing.

The problem is that essentially, having the other areas being visible but unreachable is just a big tease for anyone not in the group - and giving them access to a market, especially one which (based on your description) a) only has vendors that are duplicated in other areas and b) sells only the trappings of the same RP you're saying they can't take part in (yet), just feels like cynical commercialism.

On the other hand, if the area isn't visible at all to people who haven't been through orientation, then when they are allowed into it, it's a new discovery and a bonus.

/me gathers together a group of senators to attack this thread with sharpened knives until blood drips from the walls of the forum, then kicks it once for good measure to ensure it is finally dead.

Well I'll have to disagree with you there Yumi..... firstly, there are many Gorean sims being attacked for not allowing open access. My belief is that one should be able to find out about a sims "direction", and to do that, I've constructed an arrival point which ties in with the mythology, yet allows any creature the ability to visit without needing to change avs. One of the criticisms of Gorean sims, is the allowing of visitors, but a limit on appearance. Whilst being of the opinion that a sim owner has the right to choose how they run their sim, I am trying to see if we can circumvent that problem with an alternative way for visitors to learn about Jasmine.
Regarding the attached market, owing to the nature of the arrival point, it will actually be open to ANY type of merchandise.
As for "commercial cynicism", yes, if the stalls ALL rent, it will make some dollars. Useful no question, and one I have no problem with. It will however in no way cover the cost of the monthly rental of the sim.
The purpose of buying the place in the first instance is simply to see if it is possible to create the rp sim, I always had in mind.
Anyone visiting the "craft" once it is up and running will then be able to read the releveant information, and contact the admin should they wish to be more involved.
I believe this is a decent way to cover both sides of the arguement.

No, I think LL would not allow it... which is kind of strange, as it is an identical situation.

Sexism is no less wrong than racism.

Was said on the first page. Lewis Nerd summed it up nicely.

Landowners own the land. They set the rules. Don't like the rules? Don't go there.

From all I've heard and seen of Gorean (and other themes that have like restrictions) they usually have information kiosks at arrival points. It's hard to cover all angles with the open travel of SL though. They respond by this by requesting you change. If the OP quoted correctly, the Gorean guard did say "please". Not even "Get out!" just a polite, yet unbending request to change to human avie for the duration or leave.

This is no differnt than saying no weapons in a certain sim. Or to not go nude in PG areas. Or any other restriction.

It's not discrimination, rasism, hatred, or anything else other than people building thier corner of SL how they want.

Now, go play. Nicely.

~Jessy

problem is can you say in the court of law *I own this house in my real life* therefore I am allowed to murder people just cause i feel like it. If they shoot *report!* do them the justice they want and never speak of their wrong doings and they will be gone with the wind *yesterdays news* ,*washouts*, what the heck is Gor anyway? honestly I have never heard of it* pitty huh* ...nah not really I am an insect in world and I plan on staying that way "gotta problem with it ?"

No, but here the "law" is the ToS and any rules LL lays down. None are broke with telling a person to change or get off your land. Leave RL in RL. Welcome to SL.

~Jessy

Can I just say- Your better off. Im an excellent Role Player. I love role playing and my personaility makes RPing with/around me very fun. Not trying to sound conceeded, but im constantly applauded for my RP skills on forums/MMORPGs. NOW SL-
I join 6 days ago and about 2 nights ago randomly i met a new friend chatting in the Newbie Zone. Well when we parted he said 'If you ever need a tour of Gor, let me know'. We chatted more about it (I was late for work that day!) and the next day we went to a Gor sim. Well I join as observer. I spoke a few times in general chat and had all but one sim laughing and joining in over-the-top RP elements (They were out of character until I started chatting. U and R, LOL, ect.). Anyway this one lady was mad because I was making her slaves chat. She told them to shut up and told me im to be seen not heard. I was nearly appaled by her lack of RP and sheer rudeness. It seemed I had 'Stolen her thunder' because she was all chatty before I spoke. Well I joined her out of character rudeness, explaining her slaves were mostly emoting to me and doing so 'Without her knowledge' since they were behind her emoting. Well things get dumb quick, another guy starts blathering about me getting collared and we end up fighting. (We had to pause for me to learn the combat and take off Observer tag). Well I beat him and im called a cheater by all for 'jumping around'. So we do a best out of 3, he beats me the next to times. He then trades me to the sour woman, after a painfully obnoxious 'This gift brings peace or war' and other snide comments about her disliking me. So I say a few things (In CHARACTER mind you) and anger her. The guy has his other slaves strip me and he proceeds to whip me. I play along through the whole thing. I know this is getting long, almost done. So my new mistress proceeds to take me to a kennel, where she attempts to leave me in a cage. I see oblige. She leaves and joins the others. WTF im not sitting in a cage over this stupid crap, i though. So i break free and head back to the others. SHE IS FURIOUS. I make up a long winded excuse about a shirtless manchild with great strength freeing me from my cage and savagely making love to me as reward (These zones are mostly mature). Well the other 6 people enjoyed it throughly, giggling and engaging with the story. Well the witch (as i started referring to her) promptly went out of character and threatened me with banning (Not even death, which is the RP equivelant of banning in these Sims) and was absolutely hidesouly inappropriate. I then explain myself, how new I am, put my Observer back on, gear back on, and tell them ill stop interacting and just shut up and watch. She says not good enough, I have to stay where she says and do whatever she wants me to. I then just rip into this woman. I couldnt take it anymore. So I got banned. The other players even IMd me with 'Thats so dumb, you were very fun.' 'Sorry about that, I dont see really what you did wrong' ect ect.

So in conclusion your better off. Some of these people are HORRIBLE RPers and very moody. Women are treated like dirt and not even allowed to interact for the most part, besides getting screwed and coo;ing over their master. Another Gor Sim I went too I couldnt leave the city wall to explore with 3-4 men following me and attempting to enslave me. Ignore these sims, they are barely populated and its way too corny to be considered enjoyable RP for all envoled.

/end longest post ever

I still don't quite see why this isn't prevented by having the arrival point be outside the sim. You're not allowing open access either way, after all.



That's not really what I was referring to. What I mean is that it sends to incoming visitors the message: "We won't let you play, but here, spend money with us anyway."

In answer to your points Yumi.... the arrival point is not outside of the sim for the simple reason, that to do so with the prims neccessary would mean me having to take another tier hit, and as I'm spending 195 dollars a month as it is, I can't really justify that.
As for your second point... markets are all over SL...they provide potential income which helps with the running of the sim. This particular one is attached to the station and will be available for anyone wanting to buy items, just as any other market is. If they don't wish to buy, they don't need to. If, having read up on the sim intentions, someone is interested enough to want to explore further, then that's a positive.
there are many different viewpoints ranging from "close the sim to anyone other than members if you dont want visitors"... to "whay allow public access if you wanna tell people they cant be furries\mechs\tinies etc". To reiterate, this way, as a sim owner, is MY attempt to find a balance. That's my right. just as it's yours to disagree with the way I am trying out.

*bump*

If teh Furries get to have a long running post on the front page for posterity, so do teh Groeans!

Dearly Darling,

I thought these dreadfully written books were about another planet? If that is the case then why would people from other "planets" all be humanoid? just because people from "Gor/SL" say so? I don't think the logic holds up on that one but I'm not a scientist who studies other planetary lifeforms. What would that be any way: Extra-anthropology?

That being said. Private land is private land. If they don't want you there too bad.

I've visited Luskwood as a person and as a Tiger. They all knew I was not a furry. I guess I'm just not furry enough in an animal avatar. All the citizens I met there were very kind. A dear friend also introduced me to some really nice dragons at his home...they were all very nice too.

The few BDSM people I've met have been very charming. And very good at explaining in "Little Old Lady."

The Gay and Lesbian people...you could not ask for a more pleasant time at a party! (I was surprised at that) And I now know there is a difference between same sex relationships and pedophilia. (Just goes to show you that even old dogs can learn.)

The Gor people have not been very polite to me. I'd love to go visit to see some of the architecture but I cannot abide bad manners. Too old I guess.

Ever Yours,

Mrs. Showdog Tiger