Yay for discrimination in SL! \o/

Yes that was the original argument - they sorta changed it once it became blatantly apparent how tarded that was.

Now it's kinda morphed into something equally (if not moreso) tarded, with about the same results.

A fundemental need to be 'righterer' now drives the thread into its death spiral - and to tell the truth I'm having quite the giggle watching it.

Place your bets - Godwins or Closed, which will come first?

Not really.. One group pretends to be slaves - another pretends they are fuzzy half-animal cartoon things.

In my eyes both are equally humorous and equally harmless unless taken to the extremes.

Theres probably as many of the BDSM lifestyles that take it as far as you're suggesting as there are of your brethren that try and fuck chickens.

Which is better written: the Gor series or Mein Kampf?

Dr. Seuss pwns both of them.

Marvin K. Thread will you please die now?

56 pages of bullshit later, and I wanna buy the sharp things at Walgreens.

Thanks.

Sex is boring.
Pain is fun.
I want to cut my fingers off.
One by one.

Fuck off George.*Mails you my middle finger*

"The furry lifestyle has drama sure, but so do people and I really don't see much more happening with the average furry than the average normal person..."

Hah! Just look at all the drama YOU have caused with this strange vendetta.

"Trying to compare the two is assnine."

Oh dear. Tried too hard to be clever. Asinine, dear.

"You're extremely judgemental to those who don't share your views. You're judgemental, and repressive, and a good example of the reason why some people are sexually repressed in the first place."

Hey, I just spent the weekend being tied up, tickled, teased, spanked and zapped with electrodes. No repression going on here. ^_^

Musuko.

i made a freebie delivery system that reject basic accounts, am i discriminating? XD

Musuko, have nothing better to do than correct peoples spelling errors? Lets go through the Gor books and look at the spelling mistakes shall we?

Seeing as you all turned this into, whats better or worse, fur's or gor, the lil' cute furries are comming of better. Who wants to continue the arguing? Or got anything better to do, like go live your lives and have fun?

One of the most intolerant threads I have ever seen on sl - and I have been here a while. (

I don't know if I'd go for "most", but there is a good bit of intolerance in here.

I just don't think it's the one about which the OP was complaining.

My experiences prove this wrong. Try another theory.

Ask any psychologist, dominance and submission aren't harmful in and of themselves, nor is the third person when applied so. Hell, Bob Dole used third person. And he was mentally fit enough to be a congressman.

Selene: try the USA. Truth hurts doesn't it? Fact is some people are naturally dominant and others naturally submissive.



So does christianity in america, your point? MOST people alive have some sticking point that makes them semi-extremist.



Because the whole fact is, when practiced in real life, you still can't do anything illegal in your state/nation. When virtual, they always have the choice of that nice 'x' in the corner



I can be forcefully ejected from the same restaurant or event for wearing jeans and a t shirt. The gor sims can ban you and eject you just the same.

Original thread point: Its the goreans sim. You are a visitor to a private sim. entitlement vs land rights.. land rights win.

One of my major problems with gor sims and goreans is that except for a minority, I never get the sense that goreans are Roleplaying (Hence why I think the "no furries whatsoever" to protect roleplay is BS), roleplayers and the definition of Roleplay would say that it is "To assume or act out a particular role". The problem here is that we must assume that this role is different from normal behavior and thus must have a point where someone drops the role to go to another place in SL or just to take a break, i've seen serious roleplayers go OOC before. However, I scarcely find a slave girl or master dropping the role, even when I do see them obviously talking out of roleplay in terms of Gor, she still refers to herself as this girl, and he still precedes as her master. Infact, I remember hearing of a person who came into one Gor sim, obeyed all the rules, and roleplayed. The goreans got annoyed that they were "forcing RP" and kicked them out.

This all comes from the simple truth that Gor is rarely roleplay, but functions more as a cult. One thing I notice about non-goreans who defend the goreans out of ignorance or out of the thought that it's just a harmless little fetish in the bedroom, is that they change their tune quickly if a long time friend starts to get into Gor, particularly as a slave girl. It's unfortunate, because I hear the story so much, "We've been friends for a while, and she started to try out Gor out of curiousity. I didn't think it was a big deal so I just let her do it, then after a few days of her being in it, she wasn't allowed to leave the gor sim, and she wasn't allowed to accept IMs even from her friends, she just had to study gor texts all day long. Even after her training was done, she had changed so much and her master demanded that she spend all her time with him and not talk to her old friends." That's a paraphrasing of a story i've heard on 10-12 seperate occasions from different people.

Doesn't it seem odd that Gorean "roleplay" often has training regiments for slaves, in which they aren't allowed to leave the gorean sims and must study gorean texts, not just ones that teach the basic RP and terminology, but ones that preach philosophy and behaviour, and tell of how we on Earth are doing it all wrong and they all Gor are doing everything right? Then after that, this "roleplay" often has a slave girl never going "out of character" again, and shunning all of her old friends so that her whole world of SL and people that she knows are localized in gor and support Gor. Personally, I think it sounds exactly like the tactics of cults that use brainwashing to get members.

I know that Jonas and other Goreans would disagree of course, pushing the whole "It's their free choice to be here" which is the strongest argument of a brainwashing cult, but I say again, all the people who have committed suicides because of cults were there of their own free choice as well, and that's too be expected because they are of course Gorean and wouldn't openly admit that they propogate brainwashing (despite how obvious it is). But I want to see if anyone else who isn't involved with this stuff would think about that for a bit.

and then...and then....they attach like really nasty devices to their ankles which EXPLODE if they come into contact with anyone who has blue eyes......cos see this is indicative of a virus that if taken BACK into Gor could destroy the WHOLE sim!!!!! Oh my!

I'm sorry Artemis... I appreciate you hate Gor, that you're a member of the Anti-Gor group. Fine. But can we please stop making such sweeping generalisations presented as fact. I'm sure you HAVE "heard" the same from 10-12 friends....but in all honesty, being someone who actually DOES RP properly, I'm getting tired of this incessant "oooh...its scary...they take it into real life!!" stuff.
For every person here who may well be inclined to try what you suggest, I'd remind you that there are equal amounts running around blowing people up in Jesse. Survivalist propogandists perhaps? or age play advocates enticing people into THEIR world.... or (god forbid) furries trying to drag unsuspecting people into THEIR lifestyle.
It's Second Life....it has a big exit cross at the top of the screen, and how we managed to make a leap from sim owners rights to brainwashing Gorean cults is frankly laughable.

At this point, i'd say it's a sweeping generalization to say that All goreans are casual roleplayers who don't honestly believe in the philosophy and just do it because they think it's pretty fun, but don't take it overly seriously as to take it into real life or never drop out of character. I think that'd be a minority at this point.

And if you're going to bring up that i'm a member of an Anti-Gor group then I can say that you're a gorean. Wow, we've established that we have viewpoints.

Ask around in Gor sims, especially Glorious Ar and others like that, see how many people would claim that they're just roleplaying this or if they consider it a lifestyle. I think you'll be surprised by the answers, and come to realize that if you truly are just a roleplay gor, that you're not so big of a group that you think.

I'd also remind you that Furries don't tell fledgling furries that "If you leave the sim you'll be shunned from the community and publically executed in RP, you must read all this furry doctorine and propoganda while you're here."

I can see we'll have to agree to disagree...until someone can take a survey. Bottom line, I rp in Gorean sims...you do not. And in the same way that I'd happily accept you being more knowledgeable on what goes on in the Fur sims...I think you need to accept that I have more of an inkling regarding the reality of numbers of people taking it into RL.
As for you being a member of Anti-Gor.... my point was simple, ie YOU have a major problem with lifestyle Goreans, and want to impose that viewpoint into a belief that they are in the majority, whereas I, am NOT a member of ANY "anti" groups... furry included.
It's called live and let live in a SECOND Life.
Suggestion..... why not start a NEW thread and see if you can get a discussion going ON your pet topic of lifestyle Goreans, instead of hijacking this one?
I'll happily avoid such.....being a SL ROLEplaying Gorean.

This thread was over before it started. The idea that a land owner can do whatever they want is pretty clearcut.

And don't think I don't have any knowledge of gor sims, I'd been to gor sims before Port Kar came out, and was hanging around Port Kar up until glorious Ar started getting popular. It was a month or so after that that my philosophical differences and lack of submissiveness as a female became a problem for sim owners and I started getting banned from sims. Overall i'd been around them for more than half a year, and i'd learned quite a bit from the Gor community by their reactions and listening in on conversations and events. My dislike for goreans isn't blind and ignorant, I did my research first.

Moved to Off-Topic, "Forum Game: The Last Word"

"Musuko, have nothing better to do than correct peoples spelling errors?"

Oh I'm plenty busy. Go look at Tartarus if you want to see how busy. Take a look at the "created by" on all the buildings.

But I make time to correct spellings, because of the lovely effect it has on people like you.

"At this point, i'd say it's a sweeping generalization to say that All goreans are casual roleplayers who don't honestly believe in the philosophy and just do it because they think it's pretty fun"

Nobody was making that generalisation.

This has turned from a thread about Gors discriminating, to people discriminating against Gors. If people choose to go into that kind of lifestyle, that's their business. They are free-thinking individuals, and their life is theirs to govern, and they have not requested your interference. The mess that certain Western countries have made of certain Middle-Eastern countries shows what happens when people wade in to "help" when unasked.

Musuko.

Its a good thing you signed that post Musuko, else-wise I'd have never guessed whom posted it. That was very thoughtful of you, do you think in the future you could attribute your quotes of other peoples posts in a likewise thoughtful manner? Y'know with fun stuff like /quote=blahblah] [/quote? I mean I know it might be a little lame and anal, like getting into it over a typo or spelling mistake, but it makes things easier to read/follow.

Thanks.

*smirks*

I just can't stay out.

While its not the same discrimination type I hope you enjoy it fellas, as far as any in game culture goes you deserve it

Yeah I'm anti-gor, because gor stands for a lot of the worst behaviours humans have to offer, arrogance and slavery among them, brainwashing being number one on my list. You might not all do it, but its as rare as a vegan rattlesnake to see one that doesn't at least use one of the above control tactics.

Its funny no one is defending or denying these things that obviously point to brainwashing mind control crap, or trying to explain it... they'd rather make useless comments about exploding anklets or "yeah so" to try and justify it.

Bottom line for you kiddies following along at home, that means it is true, these acts, the training, the requirements, its all real. Don't "experiment" with gor unless you understand that you might get a bad partner who draws it, and you, into real life and turns you into a sex slave who never does anything of worth for herself, outside of pleasing a man... and what makes a man worth that much?

What really drew me back in was the above story about a girl having to shun her friends, read gorean text, stay in gor sims... Yeah, I've got a friend that went that way... we got her out thankfully... its takes time but there are a lot of flaws that you can use to get a handhold back on them and pull them out.

Please?



They can't all be open minded as you, I guess.



The patronizing tone is a nice touch.

What about the non-goreans defending them because we do not like the idea of busybodies and nanny governments protecting us from ourselves?

Your friends want to go screw up their lives by joining a cult; their problem, your problem, not my problem. Do not think to try to make it mine by involving me. You, your friends and family can work it out among yourselves. My friends and I are able to avoid them just fine on our own, thank you very much. We do not even need to dress up as furries in order to do so.

If I had a friend who had become a Gorean slave girl who refused to leave the Gor sims I would walk over to his apartment, unplug his machine and tell him to stop being an idiot.

The Goreans have not yet tried to force anything on me, busybodies have. The people who appeal to Linden Labs to restrict us are whom I consider an actual threat. I do not want anything forced on the Goreans precisely because I never want the Goreans to be able to force anything on me.


So? People should be free to ruin their lives; there is no shortage. If you do not like watching friends ruin their lives you have two choices: be a better friend or get better ones. What you do not have is the right to restrict what people can do with their lives on the off chance that they might not be able to handle it.

Not only am I a natural born citizen of the US, I have lived in the south for many, many years where this kind of thinking is prevalent. It's still a load of crap.