Yay for discrimination in SL! \o/

I would just like to clarify that I am not a part of any subculture within SL or any other online community. While I can roleplay and do so well enough to fool even those who know me, it is a rare occurance. I prefer to be the same person I am online that I am in RL. Pretending to be someone or something I am not just isn't me.


No, Elspeth, I'm not thinking your post was directed at me. It did make me think that some may have gotten the idea that I am a part of something I'm not and I just wanted to make that clear. Thank you.

Shush! It's Gor vs. Fur! It's funnier that way.

Seriously, who wants to see each side field an army and take it to Jessie? Taur cavalry, tarnsmen air force, bunny rabbit and this-girl cannon fodder... I can see it. I can see it too clearly, in fact.

I probably shouldn't have stopped taking my meds.

Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehh

Silk and floppy ears everwhere covered in blood o.o

Well as much as this bunny girl would lvoe to be there for such a fun thing(hell I had a sim idea with a three way war between vampires, furs,a nd goreans for a bit) I'm sure some pack of drones preaching the 'rightness' of their MTV and somethingawful.com propaganda would come along and ruin it. Kind of like they do wheneve they find a small group of folks they can pick on without getting slapped down like the miscreants they are.

leave the damn Goreans alone. besides the fact some state it's a lifestyle on their intro cards and some act like backwoods survivalist klansmen they have a right to exist. Hell I don't mind changing to human form long enough to slip in and do some shopping and if I can tolerate it anyone can. Now if they started changing the rules or getting abusive while I was doing exactly as I was allowed in their own ruleset then I'd AR the punks, tell them to kiss my ass and leave for another area. But so far they've been nothing but pleaseant so long as I don't break the rules for their paied for private sim they graciously allow access to.

Making things "agreeable to the majority" is exactly what I fear. The majority of people are very dull and against anything they do not quickly understand. A world cleansed to be inoffensive to them would be of little interest to me. I enjoy my freedom to run into things I may not care for.

We already have the ghettos of private sims; why is that not enough?

cilis you reject a completely rational argument

talking of ones self in third person is 'unnatural' to you

pretending to be a wolf or other animal as a culture is 'unnatural' to me

at least the one talking in third person iss till of the same specie that they were born as...

edit: how about this for a rational discussion?

How does being asked to use a human avatar in a gor sim disrupt your life rationally?

OK so if that is so wrong then how is you forcing it down our throats as proper for all correct? Goreans absolutely refuse to keep Gorean behaviour in Gor sims or on land they own. They carry it everywhere, they flaunt it. and while it may not be everyone it is the vast majority of them. I've seen it pushed in PG sims. I have seen it shoved down the throats of others left and right and some of us do find it highly offensive and when push comes to shove the practice by it's very nature is a violation of the TOS as it is highly descriminatory against women. What's so bad about saying Gorean lifestylers should keep Gor in Gor anyway? Is it that big of an issue to you to try to hunt new slaves from those who are not into it already? Look to your own for that, not the general populace.

And as far as saying I am being descriminatory, look at the LS itself. A firm belief that all women are below men, beneath them, cannot be equal and the only ones who can be free are those not wanted. Get real here. And before you start spouting about free companions, Gor views slaves as having higher status and value than FC's. The only reason you argue is you have to have that feeling of power that comes from taking those who don't want to be taken. And it is NOT consentual as most Gorean areas recognicse forced Ko'larrings. Where's the consent in that?

No one said anything about banning Goreans from the main grid....only prohibitting the practice on the main grid would be my suggestion.

fine then keep the culture and it's predations and descrimination against women to it's own sims or privately owned land of those practicing it. My problem is you all won't do that. Again there's that need for taking things away. For breaking those not broken, and it all stems from the fear of not being able to do so. Actually masters suffer from more weakness and fear than thier "Slaves" ( please note capitolization) do.

Forbid it on land you own. Only visit land that also forbids it. If you do not want to be offended you are going to have to do some work for yourself.. You do not get to restrict other people just because you are too lazy to handle it on your own.


I do not tell you want you can do with your land; do not tell me what I can do with mine.

I never did. I said restrict the practice to GOREAN land, GOREAN clubs, GOREAN sims. Places where it is welcome and part of the lifestyle. Your real problem is exactly what I said. You folks mostly want to shove it down everyone else's throat because you can't control all of us and it bugs the crap out of you. Well get this.......YOU and the rest will NEVER control me. I will dress as I please. I will speak as I please..all because I know for a FACT no one is born to serve or submit to tohers we are all free from birth, have self at birth and are equal. Once again your very philosophy is based in a descriminatory view against the majority of the population, since it's fact that there are more women born than men. And the very nature of those descriminatory beliefs is a violation of the TOS and the rights of all human beings on earth that we are given on BIRTH. To total and complete freedom.





Also you might take note..you said your land..I said general public land. What makes you think you own and control it all anyway? Keep it on your's and it's fine..keep it in Gor and it's fine. Just stop expecting everyone to kiss your posterior outside those places adn stop treating women outside Gor as second class citizens. Leave your Gor at the door. That's about your most arrogant statement yet.

Elspeth



Ssssssh!!!.... it's private!! PLEASE don't invite a THIRD subculture into the mix!!....

I would respect your sim roleplay if I wanted to visit and spend time there. They pay, is their land and they can bang and do anything they want or kick anyone out that they dont like.... That is not exactly descrimination. You just need to respect their rules as they would respect yours in your property.

Unless, of course, it is something you do not care for and then you only free where it cannot be seen. I am confused. Who is the one arguing that there are things people should not be allowed to do on the mainland?


You are mistaken.

You won't keep Goreans from playing their parts as they desire off Gor lands. Is -general public land- not -general public land unless dmitri doesn't like your views.- Feel free to note capitolization.
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I never did. I said restrict the practice to FURRY land, FURRY clubs, FURRY sims. Places where it is welcome and part of the lifestyle. Your real problem is exactly what I said. You folks mostly want to shove it down everyone else's throat because you can't control all of us and it bugs the crap out of you. Well get this.......YOU and the rest will NEVER control me. I will dress as I please. I will speak as I please..all because I know for a FACT no one is born with fur we are all human from birth, have self at birth and are equal. Once again your very philosophy is based in a animalistic view against the totality of the population, since it's fact that there are more humans born than furries. And the very nature of those descriminatory beliefs is a violation of the TOS and the rights of all human beings on earth that we are given on BIRTH as humans. To total and complete freedom.
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Wonder why his post is about 'stopping descrimination' but that modified one will be called 'descrimination.' Maybe its because I replaced Gorean with furry.

Outside Gorean clubs, sims etc.. well theres always the mute option, or just ignorign them. Wonder how that works...

On PG land - if something violates pg rules, report it, otherwise just do what you would do normally.

If they want to act an asshat outside Gor then they can be an asshat outside gor..most revognize that others dont care for it. I recognize others don't like my D/s lifestyle in SL.. but again- I don't -care- what you think. Calling my sl wife 'pet' isn't a violation of even PG sims. And for the record I know of at least one alternative lifestyle club on PG land. So far it hasn't been shut down..because they haven't violated pg guidelines.

If you want to prohibit Gorean lifestyle being practiced on the main grid, I propose prohibitting the furry lifestyle as well. After all we can't be descriminitory and prohibit only one specialized group.



Palomma, thank you for for the response to the threads original post.. now if only certian others would do the same.

My further repsonses will only be on topic. If anyone wants an insiders view of Gor, feel free to contact me in world or through instant message.

I apologize, I think this was a case where I hopped into this warfare emotionally charged, while at work and having to read in a miniwindow that the boss couldn't see. I just didn't get ALL of what you wrote. Understand now though.


Edit: The question in my mind is, how much of a breeding ground for predation does the Gorean RP create? All things in moderation, I could see reason for limitation on Gor if it's simply proliferating sexual (and arguably mental) predation. You don't put a petre dish full of agar on a table overnight and expect it to be sterile the next day.

If it hits the news, though, Goreans will have a problem on their hands.

The differance is none of us take it past pretending and start to beleave we are the actual animal, and you never touched my argument you just altered what it about, side stepped it completely. The question I preposed was "Show me one language where people do not refer to themselves in the "I" and "Myself" style"

So I answered your question or statement, however you want to prepose it, you answer mine if you really can hold a rational argument

The practice being the kneeling, "this girl" and speaking openly about punishment or plans for sex later. This is what is being implied correct?

Furthermore, why does it hurt us to take off our avatars? We all made out avatars to be worn, they're a part of us by way of expression, a PASSIVE way of just looking how we feel.

I really take great exception to you trying to replace the word gorean with furry, that is a BULLSHIT argument as the subcultures are almost nothing alike, its like saying lets replace the words KKK with democrats or republicans. The terms are not interchangable unless the cultures are.

Being a furry doesn't present any physical harm, don't even go into sex since you know.... most of us are shut ins to be fair and don't have a single orgy in our lives heh... well there is something we MIGHT have in common with gor. Feet are for walking, not knees... do you have any idea how many joint problems such an akward gate is bound to cause?

Being a furry doesn't stop you from functioning in the modern world at all. While gorean slaves might not be allowed to handle money, they rely almost completely on their masters... who if was to suddenly I dont know... die in a car crash or osmething... might not feed themselves for days, might not know where the money is and end up on the streets since you know, they're not allowed to handle such matters.

Being a furry can't be paralleled to muslim extremist with MOST of the world HATES, regardless of where they practice.

Its a true and geniune insult to compare furries' lifestyle to the gorean one.

It makes me laugh, that you'd say such a thing... anyone discriminating against furries is bugging out over a pretty much harmless culture... now goreans, lets chalk up the girl dead in a dumpster, the master that hunted his girls with a bow...

Yeah. Don't try to make the terms interchangable to protect yourselves.

Well, at least you're consistent in taking nothing more than personal knowledge and trying to spin it into a group-wide Truth(tm).

There are some furries for whom "furry" is more than collecting anthro artwork, "yiffing", or any similar "fandom" activities, and don't believe that they're really human.

Does that make all furries like that?

Of course not.

Nor does one subgroup of the Gor community define the entire community, contrary to the picture of Gor that you keep trying to paint.

Yes, there are sexual predators using the Gor RP as a cover, but the same can be said of clowns (remember John Wayne Gacy?), if one wanted to go to the extremes you've displayed in this thread.

Uh yeah I am fully aware of the differnt kinds of furries, but lets be honest we have been pointing fingers at the "yiff yiff yiff" furries, who don't even really have that much sex. (thanks a hell of a lot, MTV, somethingawful, CSI, for painting a bullshit picture )

I'm fully aware of all three groups that make up furries at large and the point still stands that none of us truely think we have claws, fur, and a big nose.

Therian, Artists, Furverts.

Therians beleave in totem spirits or having some spiritual intergration with animals... it is a religion NOT a subculture. It is the oldest circle of the three, and where artwork came from on the subject. The do not beleave they have anything but a human body, while there are mental shifts (better connection with your spirit, just like christians have a better connecting with god in extatic prayer)

Artists enjoy making art and viewing and collecting art, or art forms like fursuits or preforming as a mascot. None of them beleave that they have fur, claws, or big noses. Artists gave birth to furverts.... by giving them sexy shapes and clothing, and at some point, sexual artwork.

Furverts are your average furry who take from one of the other groups, we're not all sluts the title just best represents what most people are familiar with in relation to our culture. Yes we have cyber sex, but so does everyone else... there are startrek sex chats, gorean, BDSM, Starwars, Elves, Middle earth.... all sorts do it, so its not unique to us.

All three groups interact, all of us enjoy playing games and going to dances... its kind of why we have conventions... its human nature to gather and yes, have sex.

So there you go, without further prompting I spelled it out for you, none of us have any doctrine of beleaving we're actually anthropomorphic creates.

Goreans on the other hand, have both a doctrine, and plenty of true slave girls to prove its more than just innocent fantasy.

Now I realise I made an edit before you finished your own post and I apologize about that but you have to agree. The furry culture can not be exchanged with the gorean culture as if they were both universal parts.

You want to know the truth? When my stepdaughter started talking about trans-speciation, I got rather alarmed.

Your daughter needs to have some parental supervision on the internet.

She's 18, what am I going to do?

Look, I get that you think all things Gor=Bad and all things Fur=Good. And if something Fur=possibly bad, you'll find a direction to point your finger. You've made that plain.

I'm suspicious of anyone who is this gung-ho about anything. You come across like a door-to-door Jesus salesman to me in that regard.