Yay for discrimination in SL! \o/

Thank you very much for twisting my words around. I've noticed you are very good at doing that.

Selene



Good! I'm pleased... And I shall try to rethink my Gor grid objections and response to...

Actually there are legal contracts into which you can enter in the USA that actually gives someone true possession of you without doing so in a way that contradicts the law. It's very loopholey.

Now you see... you are being a good example. Would that others could be so too!

I know about those, too. It is a contract for "services rendered".

I'm not disagreeing with you. But the recent popularity has been a sudden boom. It rolled onto the internet with a trickle and now, with games that support sex online with D/S relationships like SL and Sociolotron, it's just becoming very visual and is having a population explosion.

With all booms there is eventually entropy of one sort or another, unless something new comes along and revitalizes it. I guess we'll have to see what technology does there.

I think Gor CAN be very dangerous, for women in particular; however, the dangers of it are avoided in the same manner one avoids the danger of any internet predator or any internet addiction. DO NOT take it out of your game, DO NOT meet your online Gor master IRL, and follow any other precaution they teach in "Cults 101" or "Avoiding addiction to the internet 101" . It's the predators causing the problem, not the culture.

I'm trying to break a friend of a Gor slave mindset she's been in IRL after only a few months exposure (and abuse) online, so I'm definitely not against you on this one.

THe internet has only been around in this incarnation for about 15 years anyway, and only popular for 10. So I think "flavor of the decade" is pretty accurate, and I think Gor's about to curb its run some.

It just needs a competing culture.

No, seriously. If we are going to have the 'opportunity' of a gor only grid, elts have one for -every- specialized group. You want gor banne don the main grid? Lets ban all specialized groups. Its only equal and fair.

Edit: corvus, exactly. The culture isn't the problem, its those who abuse it and take advantage. The same can be done to -any- culture

This may be true of recent popularity in some venues but I -know- Gor has been very popular in AW for many years. All I am saying is it is more popular and more widespread than you may think. And it's popularity grows with each year.

I do wish you all the luck with your friend. I'm sorry to say, from my own experiences, the success rate is very low. Even telling about what happened to ffaith from AW doesn't seem to be enough to convince of the dangers. If you are not familiar with that event you can im me in-world and I'll give you more details. While ffaith's case was a rather unusual one, it still has it's place and is of importance.

selene..isolated incidents aside, the culture of gorean bdsm has harmed noone really

its like those mothers agaisnt dungeons and dragons after an isolated incident carrie dit too far and someone ran away due to mental problems..which was then blame don a game

Still twisting my words. Never said I wanted Gor banned from the main grid. If I were a part of a "specialized group" and LL offered my group a grid of it's own I would be one of the ones for it. I would not look at it as being ostracized, certainly not when my access to the main grid is -not- being denied and vice versa for others. I would look at it as the creative opportunity it is.

If you would actually read what I wrote and stop reading into my words what you want to see you might actually find that we agree on something. I'm not going to spell it out for you. You are going to have to read it for yourself.


Turgar understood it, why can't you?

Because I think Ill stay on the main grid. If I was part of a gor rp in SL and owned a sim, I would stay on the main grid as well, because I would rather be part of mainstream SL not sectionalized. I still see it as ghettoing..even if its your choice


Besides..if you offer one group a seperate grid think of all the other groups that would want one..

Harmed no one? Then how is it ffaith went to met her "master" in RL and ended up dead in a dumpster? It was all over the national news. She isn't the only one to have suffered at the hands of some twisted mind that used Gor as a front. Nor will she be the last if people keep looking the other way. It has caused harm regardless if you chose to believe that or not. Not to everyone mind you but if it causes harm to even one it has gone too far. I say what happened to ffaith carried it way too far.

Enough said.

Did you not see the whole post..let me repost with bold...

selene..isolated incidents aside, the culture of gorean bdsm has harmed noone really

its like those mothers agaisnt dungeons and dragons after an isolated incident carrie dit too far and someone ran away due to mental problems..which was then blame don a game

You ignored the ENTIRE point of my post

Tell me how many gor subs have met their doms and not ende dup dead or abused? And compare the numbers.

ffaith is an ISOLATED INCIDENT like the kid who ran away and hid in an underground area..

the culture is not to blame, the predators are

I have simply ignored the context of your post the same way you have done most of mine. You obviously don't like it anymore than I do.

When you support ghetoing people.. then yes I will ignore it. Youre pretty much in the same boat as artemis and cilis right now

When you can stop twisting my words around, stop viewing my words with narrow mindedness and open your mind to other possiblities then you will see I am not in the same boat as Artemis and Cilis. Then and only then will I be willing to show you where we are in agreement.

I'd instinctively guess your disgust and anger stems from something else entirely, but what that is, I'm not sure. Often, such visceral reactions to something that doesn't directly affect you belies something going on deeper below the surface. Just a guess

Your guess would be wrong then.

Selene don't sweat it, dispite saying many, many times most of my speaking out is centered and leveled against the RL/SL cross over, and people harmed by it, I'm told I said I wanted them banned, burned and blown up *eyeroll* I'd love to see a qoute where thats true, and the entire post I said it in... chances are someone will say SOMETHING out of context.

I never heard of the faith case I'll ask ya about it.

I can't see your suggestion as anything other than ghettoing no matter how I look at it. If you force gor into that subgrid, then its active ghettoing. If you merely allow the opportunity, then irrational people like cilis will scream 'why don't you go to the subgrid!'

You want to maintain a closed mind, that's fine. You want the last word, that's fine. You still don't win anything. *shakes head and walks away*

I've changed my mind. I want this thread to live forever. Watching subcultures go at each other like this is just absurdly entertaining. It's like watching midgets wrestle.

It's even more so when you realize that neither will win. I wonder how long it will take for them to realize that? About another 34 pages?

Right, I'm irrational.

Why don't you have a decent argument for a change? or thats right, rationally you can't argue points with someone when they are just stating facts your own culture's website displays! go go goreanwhispers, gorean wiki and the gorean group website! wee!