Yay for discrimination in SL! \o/

I concur. And I think we'll use the hell out of HTMLinaprim when it gets here.

actually soem are being help
Rosethorn Island had soem for awhile
Perilous Pleasures has a Dom/me Workshop weekly
as well as a weekly discussion group where all are invited to take part
as well as a weekly sub/slave retreat for submissives only to discuss issues such as abuse
My biggest problem with D/s in general in SL is there are 100 BS artists for every evcen half way serious person and as much as i would liek to say teh Disney Goreans are worse than anyother group
i really don't think they are they are just a easy target much liek teh furries or age players

the problem i have run into while doing rescue work of poor abused gorean slaves (and belive me i have waged a war with several of teh psudo goreans and enjoy calling them on thier hypocracy), Selene hit right on the head, Ignorance of newbies getting into it
and i tried to educate many but was told over and over again because i was not a "slave" but only a sub i wasn't serious so i couldn't understand so basically i have given up
most want to play slave until they are actually treated like a slave then they whine
and again
anybody who is trying to see what Gor is about will not find it out on teh "gorean" sims
they have about as much to do with Gorean Ideals as Nexus City.

actually some are being Done
Rosethorn Island had some for awhile
Perilous Pleasures has a Dom/me Workshop weekly
as well as a weekly discussion group where all are invited to take part
as well as a weekly sub/slave retreat for submissives only to discuss issues such as abuse
My biggest problem with D/s in general in SL is there are 100 BS artists for every even half way serious person and as much as i would like to say the Disney Goreans are worse than any other group
i really don't think they are they are just a easy target much like the furries or age players

the problem i have run into while doing rescue work of poor abused gorean slaves (and belive me i have waged a war with several of the psudo goreans and enjoy calling them on thier hypocracy), Selene hit right on the head, Ignorance of newbies getting into it
and i tried to educate many but was told over and over again because i was not a "slave" but only a sub i wasn't serious so i couldn't understand so basically i have given up
most want to play slave until they are actually treated like a slave then they whine
and again
anybody who is trying to see what Gor is about will not find it out on the "gorean" sims
they have about as much to do with Gorean Ideals as Nexus City.

erm confused now....are the previous two posts (identical except for spelling corrected in stpaulsub's notice).. ... a handout to people to post in here? Actually it's terrific that two people sharing the same join month and year, have BOTH been active in "rescue work of poor abused gorean slaves".
Made me feel all warm and tingly.

You have to abide by a dress code to get into a black tie event.

You have to abide by a 'avatar' dress code to be in most Gor sims.

Theres nothing descriminitory about this policy.

opps my bad didn't realize i was in on roomates account and thought i deleted it

Again these topics are discussed regularly at several locations if people wish to take part, Unfortunatly There is No D/s Community in SL
there are countless communities each claiming to be "Serious" and there are good and bad people in each one, but there will never be uniformity and i'm not sure there should be.

Now you have me confused. lol

If I'm one of the people you are refering to my original join date in SL is August 2005 on this account. My other account, which I rarely use anymore, has an SL join date of April 2005. I have no idea who stpaulsub is. All of the ones I have worked with were in another 3d environment, not SL and that was years ago. Some of them were being abused and some just wanted out but thier masters just refused to accept that the relationship was over. Still others were just seeking a safe haven for a short period of time.

Anyway.... If you weren't refering to me then you can disregard this post. *wanders off mumbling to self... food... I need food....and sleep... I need sleep....*

Hi Selene.....no...there were two posts posted by two different people, one after the other, both identical.....I log on this morning, and one of them has been removed..... definite case of "nothing to see here!"..

Could I just point out that abusive relationships, and people not being able to escape them, are by no means unique to the Gorean lifestyle.

Musuko.

Noone is denying that. It's more discussion of how Gor seems to create an environment that encourages the behavior, at least the way it is handled in SL.

"It's more discussion of how Gor seems to create an environment that encourages the behavior, at least the way it is handled in SL."

Modern life seems to create an environment that encourages obesity (abundance of rich food), genocide (ready availability of powerful weaponry), and poverty (the flow of wealth towards concentrations of wealth in a capitalist system).

So should we all go back to a fuedal system?

Gor doesn't create an environment that encourages that behavior. It creates an environment. How people act in that environment is how they would act in most environments: the same as they always do. Good people don't become abusive because of their environment. Abusive people manifest their abuse because of their environment.

Or put more simply, abuse will happen regardless of what provokes it. Deal with the abusive people, not what they take "inspiration" from. Because remember...Charles Manson acted on the influence of a Beatles album. You'd have to ban EVERYTHING to remove the stimuluses, and even then the abuse will still happen.

In any case...

...I would like to see some documented evidence that indicates that instances of abuse are more common in a Gorean lifestyle than in any other. Otherwise you're just wasting time with conjecture.

Musuko.

Musoko, we're in the process of developing that precise documentation, actually.

Though I would like to point out it's more an abuse issue in SL than any other venue where I've run into Gorean RP. So we're addressing it in SL itself. At the behest of some Goreans who are a part of it, actually (part of why deprogramming clinics will be open soon), and want to see Gor cleaned up because it's a hiding place for predators here.

Well played, Des.

Corvus


Out of interest Corvus...could you give us details on the Goreans you refer to, and how many think that it needs cleaning up so badly? Interested to know. Also, while you're at it, could you throw in a list of all the other areas of SL that you're going to "clean up" whilst you're at it. many thanks

A fair enough number to look at the issue as more than just forum hype.

But I wouldn't give details on the Goreans themselves any more than I'd post an abused person's RL street address on the side of my house.


Edit: Don't try to make this look like I'm on some one-man crusade. If you do, I can (and will) make you look really, really stupid on my own time.

The project specifically mentions Goreans, but the intent is people trapped in circular abusive relationships as a whole..least thats my impression.

Corvus


the point I'm making, is that so far there are simple generalisations being thrown around. You say there are plenty... I could as easily say there are none.
I made no reference to a one man crusade.... if you want to read that into it fine. You seem to be aiming at Goreans, and I'm pointing out that that DOES smack of a crusade.
And don't threaten me with "making me look stupid on your own time". It doesn't impress me....I'm more than capable of making myself look stupid WITHOUT your help thank you very much.

And you have successfully done so.

Jonas's assessment is correct. Gor just happens to be a naturally appealing place for those who abuse to reside, and many people within the RP have expressed concerns that the line between RP and RL is more blurry there than anywhere else, meaning as mentioned earlier, "lots and lots of prey" for a predatory human being to control. We're helping people in RL and SL abusive relationships on the whole, but special attention will be given to Gorean abuse situations because it's a very different and dangerous animal when that system is abused.

I try to speak from my experience within Gor rps that there are problem people.. and some are bad enough to make my skin crawl. These predators exist everywhere but when Gor draws in people into the control kink, being or having, a larger percentage of emotionally and/or mentally fragile and targettable people show up..it becomes an issue of 'prime hunting' territory. In Gor off SL I helped out these people..and if I see it happening here I will out it here too. Corvus has this Gorean Lifestylers support.

Again...I understand your point of view. I can appreciate where you base your concerns. Where I am in dispute is with the assertion that "many people in the RP" and many Goreans have expressed to you their concerns. In these threads, I've seen many opponents of the Gorean roleplay take that stance. I haven't seen too many INVOLVED in it do so. In game, I've had discussions with many Goreans expressing their displeasure at feeling they are being indirectly ostracised through these particular threads.
Or have I? It's easy to say simply to make one's point.
It's been the generalisations throughtout these threads that have irritated. THAT'S ehat I'm getting at.

Actually Jonas.... I'm not saying he doesn't have MINE. I'm simply stressing again, that when there are clubs full of girls shaking their butts for their pimps, and bdsm areas where unknowledgeable people are not taking the due care and attention needed to safely explore the lifestyle, then it's important that these threads don't come across to the casual browser, as simply anti-Gor.
Corvus made some very telling observations in the ageplay thread recently.... one I'll quote...

Corvus


My concern is simply that. That I do not want defenders of the Gorean lifestyle to be viewed as supporting the excesses Corvus is referring to. That is all.

That's entirely sensible.

I would like to clarify by saying that I'm attempting to be a part of something that puts an end to abuse of the Gorean lifestyle, therefore supporting the lifestylers and the right to live it for those who consciously live it IRL, as well as those who simply like to RP it. By "cleaning up" the community, I show my support of people's freedom to have that community.

Ok, this thread is so full of assinine comments and generalizaions that it seriously just needs to die in a fire. Really. I'm going to address the two main points that apply to the actual thread started by the op.

1. It is GOREAN LAND OWNED BY GOREANS. If you cannot respect their land and their rules, or anyone elses for that matter, DO NOT BITCH WHEN YOU ARE BANNED.

2. Why are people saying that *GOREANS* are being unmindful of others in "public" sims? Guys, that's not people being gorean, that's people being ASSHOLES who happen to be gorean. A furry can act like just as much of an asshole. That doesn't mean all of them are, just like goreans are not all sexist, mental predator assholes. You're not mad at goreans, you're mad at ASSHOLES. Please STOP with the sweeping generlizations!

Did the great Dark Helmut say he was surrounded by goreans?
Noo...
Did he say he was surrounded by furries?
Noo...
He said, "I'M SURROUNDED BY ASSHOLES!".

We all could take a lesson in life from that large-helmed man...