Yay for discrimination in SL! \o/

That seems like a pretty cool idea, and allows for a lot of different flow of ideas and expression, and since it isn't 100% gor, characters and groups are easially made and expressed.

Personally, I don't mind changing avis if I want to do RP, but I do wish it could be done like New Holstice where you can wear what you want at the market, but asked to be "in garb" elsewhere. I think sometimes we are spoiled on how easially we can change exteriors on this game, we need to learn that while we may be a white furred rat one moment, a 6 foot tall dragoness the next, and a 5'10 human wearing a Queen shirt the next moment, it doesn't change the mind and soul of the person behind the keyboard.

Meh. Their land, their rules since they're paying for it. If my friend can put together a Panther girl outfit to go shopping there and not kill the first guard who asks me to remove my, in theme, arsenal then anyone can. Considering how much she loves her rabbit form it's no small task for her

To me it's the same as if someone made a Redwall or other such no humans sim and forbid non furs. Now if they were to go and say no furs because we're like pedophiles or somesuch Somethingawful.com spewed idiocy then I'd take offense and add anyone in a gorean group from my lands and as many other areas as I could manage. But beyond them wanting to maintain a them in their PRIVATE areas they ALLOW us to visit while they PAY FOR IT then I have no problems fitting in when I visit.

Now vampires...those guys are freaks.

That was a joke by the way even the pasty skinned latte drinkers can prove fun once in a while and I try to fit in if I visit their holdings.

What makes me laugh about this is that some of the best and longest standing roleplayers were, or are, furries at some point simply because it is one of the most diverse and welcoming groups out there on the net.

It might be a privately funded sim but it is still harrasment of an ideal or belief system (theriantropy anyone?)

Honestly, get over your fur hating bullpoopy. We'd buy your gear and help keep your sims afloat, I know somethingawful does a great job of painting us in a bad light but it shows your ignorance, and the land owner's ignorance, to beleave this tripe.

Kick out the bad roleplayers, not the furries... I can't tell you how many times I've seen "gor" couples roleplay and use plz, ur, and other such grammer butchering ways that show how much they care about roleplay.

So whats the justification, we stand out? Doesn't gor make mention of space and aliens, doesn't gor NOT say a single word about furries or odd looking people?

If you think our avatars just look that bad, offer better alternatives.

There is no real reason to do this, ban a culture, other than "I can, wahooo, yay, yippy!"

I gues 'sticking to the culture and world as presented in the book series' isn't a real reason?

You obviously lack the facts..there were no furrie sin gor. That is a REAL reason to ask for human avs when in their PRIVATELY OWNED sim.

"Discrimination is not okay in sims you own or otherwise, not by a long shot"

It's a private paid for "area". Unless they are operating as a business or a public service, they have no obligation to have you there. Their sims are simply private places with owners who just happen to leave their door open for visitors to stop by. They don't have to let you in.

And I fully support Gorean sims enforcing a dress code. I wouldn't expect a medieval roleplay sim to allow giant robots, or a cyberpunk-themed sim to be too happy if a group of pokemon avatars started buzzing around the place. If they want to enforce rules, you have two choices: abide by them, or don't go there. It's very simple.

Remember, it's a private place. You have no RIGHT to be there. They ALLOW you to be there.

Musuko. A fur.

Thank you Musuko. I persoinally try to match an areas inhabitants, so in fur sims put on a fur av. I am sure most of those who participated in the gor sims and rp would as well.

My opinion, Be as racist as you want but it wont change anything. SL was ment for people to expand information in the form of communities and creations. If some want to do that with biased intentions in mind, go right ahead. No skin off my bones. Even though ive encountered people who have attacked my avatar because of the way i look it wont change who i am so what they are doing is pointless. Racism is what makes SL innovative i guess .
w3rd

Problem is, racism is banned. Fortunately, furry does not fall under race. Racism isn't at issue here. A COSTUME is. It is a costume, no matter how dear to your heart and personality it is. ALL avs on sl are costumes.

This is where you are wrong.

Unless you are arguing that all appearances, including those we assume in RL, are costumes, then maybe I will agree with you.

-Ghoti

All our appearances are partially a facade or costume in rl. We often try to put up a wall and hide the real us from people..and noone can see the personality, only the flesh and skin. So, in a senses, even our rl body is just a costume for our true selves.

And as such, our avatars in-world are no less us than the appearances we wear in real life.

-Ghoti

Still, the point remains that our avs are only our costumes, and can be changed at the drop of a hat.

Sure they can be changed. That does not invalidate the point that many people are as attached, if not MORE attached, to their avatars than they are to their real life appearance.

In fact, our avatars are easier to change than our real life appearance, and as such, more often reflect our inner being, the quintessence of who we ARE.

Telling someone, "If you want to visit here, just change who you are", that, to me, is highly offensive.

And yet, we do the same thing in real life all the time, I know. Society tells the goth kids they are weird or mentally disturbed. We make fun of the fat kids, or the ugly kids, or the geeky kids, or <insert your favorite underdog group here>. I'm not even going to touch on job discrimination based on appearances.

It's called discrimination and it promotes soul-stifling homogeneity. Why do we need to bring that into SL?

-Ghoti

It promotes their roleplay sim as they intended to set it up: true to the books.


Telling someone 'You pay for the sim, and want a certian setting for your roleplay, but you have to accept us' is FAR worse than asking someone to use the DEFAULT avatar.

People try to play 'I'm a special class of people so you have to make me an exception to the rules' in rl as well. Lets not bring that into SL either.

Personaly, I really dislike any form of discrimination. I have a lot of sympathy for the original poster. Any form of discrimination is bad really, in real life at least, we can do things about it in cival countries. There are laws to enforce this.

SL is different though. We can get away with just about anything here, which I actually think is quite a good opportunity. You can be a homosexual dragon, a sex mad youngster, or a gorean purist. Now if I am for, someone having the opportunity to play a homosexual dragon, or a sex mad youngster, it would be really hypocrtical for me not to be for, a purist gorean.

At the end of the day, they have set up an area specific to their dream. I dont like it, but I would not want to stop them doing what they are doing, just like I would not like anyone to tell me what I could or couldnt do on my own land. Revert to a human AV, respect their rules, and you wont get banned.

Agreed, but there are ways to preserve their purity without abusing other players. It's quite simple really, and its been mentioned here already. Lock the sim.



I'm not saying someone MUST accept a certain group of people. I'm saying that telling that group of people to "change if they want to come shop here" is discrimination.



I'm not saying anyone should be an exception to the rules. I'm saying if a group wants to have a sim with shops open to the public (non-members of their group), and want to invite outsiders into their midst to come spend L$ in their sim, they aught to be accepting of those outsiders.

I realise corrolating furry-hating to race-hatred is not exactly the same thing... but by way of analogy, it is quite appropriate. I can just imagine THIS scenario being played out in IM instead of over the phone.

It does neither party any good to invite people in, and then grief/cage/ban a subset of outsiders for looking different.

-Ghoti

[edited to place working link, oops]

*walks in and slaps head on forehead*

This thread is still going on?

No one is being told they cannot visit the sim (unless the person has been specifically banned for bad behavior). They're being told there's a dress code. If you don't like the dress code, that's your problem, not theirs. Good lord.

I have a better answer. I stay a catgirl, don't visit their sims, and don't give them my L$.

-Ghoti

Please re-read the thread. You've obviously missed a few posts, including the OP.

Actually... nevermind. I dunno why I'm giving a flying frak.

Slavery in all of its forms is abhorrent to me. No amount of shops or beautiful sims can cover up that ugly underlying current in Gor.

-Ghoti

Not locking your door does give anyone the right to walk in and do anything they want. Removing them is not abuse.

Dress codes are not discrimination.

The Gorean philosophy is being true to yourself, be what you are, do not live your life as others wish. Yet when you start playing at Gor you not living by the basic philosphy, your living by a series of books, not being true to yourself.

Gor in SL is simply role playing nothing more. So they basically wish their sims to be roleplay and do not wish others to interfer with the roleplay. What is confusing to me is why the sims arent closed to others who arent interrested in the roleplay. Rules are good with me but, once you start demanding how others who visit be a part of the roleplay then its overstepping the line and the only reason I see it is the money aspect. Yet now that DI is gone I look for many sims to be closed communities, there is no need to have outsiders involved. I would also look for many islands to close simply because the owners arent comfortable paying tier. I always stress never buy any land unless your comfortable paying the tier yourself. If the land pays for itself, or a part of it then thata is great. If it doesnt and you decide you will close the land then you werent comfortable paying it in the first place.

I avoid areas that have such rules as what you look like or wear. Maybe I am Gorean still, but I am true to what I am, not guided by a series of science fiction books.

I practice the gorean lifestyle with my fiance in real life. I have participate din msn, eyechat, and gcn gor roleplay. I do not rp gor on SL. But I can understand where many of their views on here come from, albeit the text/rl to 3d game difference.

what about the spider people then hmmm? All I am saying is the writer did not say they were not in the world, he didn't say all the races presented were the only races there were. I also beleave that you know, being in a future space setting... people might *gasp* come in contact with new things!

My point being is how can you be so sure?

I think it truely comes from a lot of hate on the internet for furries in general. There is no fat kid to pick on, no nerd to weggie, so lets go after the furs, make up stories, that sort of thing. As far as I know, the only hate websites that are more numerous than furry hate websites would be political sites and racial hate mongering sites.

Isn't it a shame that our new generation can drop so many bad habits but still, we've taught them to find something to be ugly to or about?

I forgot to mention that my current AV is not welcome in Gor sims either, and I dont visit them. I too wont change to go there, just suggesting if you want to go there, you change your apperance for the visit. It's personal preference - Do I go into this club when I know they wont like how I am dressed and so stop me, or do I change first making sure I fit in with the dress code.

On the other hand, wonder how this would go down if people started banning AV's with dark coloured skins?

He also didn't say there werent clowns form mars with x ray vision.

Its simple- use the races and the setting he outlined, not 'what could be.' Or did you forget that whole priest kings blue flame thing that would wipe out all contact or influence they found that they didn't like? Oh look a catgirl from mars. yes it sposisble..blue flame..oops gone form the sim and dead.

Stick to the books if youre in a gor sim..noones forcing you to go.