Yay for discrimination in SL! \o/

No, the other tacitly encouraged similar behavior.



Well, guess you failed

It's not discrimination.

Oooh, but based on that sign, a Gor sim would have to let in a seeing-eye dog furry avvie!

replace two of those with a white or black person... heck put a clown in too

No it isn't, and neither is it the same thing to compare no policy of intolerance in a sim which is open to anyone (lusk for example) to a active, endorsed, sanctioned and encouraged sim wide ("need to agree to it by notecard if you're coming in here!!" policy of intolerance (ie most gor sims) the same by any stretch or definition.



Hey, well wouldn't be the first I or logic failed on the forums. ^.^

Here I redirect your attention to more things cute.


http://d.whyville.net/whytimes/archives/images/adobe/086-thumb.jpg

It's not discrimination.

...oh wait.

By quoting the Community Standards is that a "Yes, asking a person to remove RL religious symbols is allowed" or a "No, asking a person to remove RL religious symbols is against the community standards?"

Just reading the above clip I don't think it would work for a "No, this is not allowed."
It could be argued that while offensive, is isn't derogatory or demeaning to ask for RL issues to be kept outside the environment if the intent is to preserve community role playing. Not that I like that thought much.
How to prove intent is another question entirely.

You mean, kinda like how someone above mentioned not getting a notecard when porting into a Gor sim and being called a liar?

Technical glitches and assholes can exist; there's no particular reason to doubt either case but neither do they prove anything about the whole.

Hey, do you see a wine goblet or two faces?

I see people who want to exercise their property rights being railroaded by people who feel entitled to do what they want, wherever they want.

You see people who have the right to appear however they wish, wherever they wish being trampled upon by bigots.

Hence: Irresistable force meeting immovable object. Really, it's quite funny.



Put aside your idea of "logic" (which in forums is usually rather subjective) and instead try to see the other POV. Then make your decision. I did.



Comes across as rather condescending, IMO.

Yes. And I didn't do that.

It's a "read it and draw your own conclusion"

Honestly, from previous SL history banning Nazi iconography, I would guess it would not be allowed. But who dare predict how the mind of a Linden works?

OH SHIT FURRY DRAMA; DUCK

SOMEONE FLIP A DESK ALL QUICK LIKE OH SHIT

If you didn't like it, why not leave? And not post a message about it on a public forum?

It's pretty easy to put shoes on. It's not so easy to take off your black or brown skin and put on a white one. Unless you're in SL... but I guess that's already been brought up.

I may be in the lifestyle, but I look at these situations unbiasedly.

Ethnicity != Sexual Fetish/Subculture

If someone told me I'm not allowed to wear black clothes somewhere, I would leave.

Edit: Wait, so you some how believe that this person, who is paying 200$ a month for a sim and a 1000$ down payment, isn't allowed to say who is and isn't allowed in their sim? You're loony. Like loony toons.

A quibble: It's pretty hard to be unbiased about something you have a stake in. But it is possible to be dispassionate.

I am that old friend and yes I had a hard assed fur give me line of wrath about being human.
If I remember the line correctly "Oh jesus she's a human they will let anything in here"
So the hard core furs can get up on thier hind legs about the gor sims. As the bible says
"take the plank out your own eye first, before trying remove the splinter from your neighbors eye first" I will defend this hard assed fur by saying, I was on thier land and they paid for the right to play the game as they see fit on that land. Same goes for the Gor.
If you don't like the game people play on thier land. Don't go there. Nuff said

Rox

I do? Wow, I dont recall saying that.

/108/37/90573/11.html#post914888

In fact I think I said something very much like this to quote just a snippet from the above link;




Think I'll stick by that thanks, weighing carefully and not seeing your allusion to what happened to a friend whilst by chance being in a fur themed sim is entirely different than a sanctioned policy, actively enforced and encouraged are two different things unrealated and un supportive of the bottom line. That being whilst legal inLL's eyes to have sucha intolerant policy as the gor sims do, it doesn't make it right and the using the excuse of RP for that intolerance is laughable.





It is isn't? Its a joy to fine humour life. ^.^





That cute little face was condescending?! Ack! Here, I think I found a less condescending one. ^.^

http://www.petsconnect.org/Jennifer%20too%20cute%20kitten.jpg

See non-condescending kitten _and_ stuff animal cuteness!

Disney World doesn't allow people in fursuits (real world furry avatars) into the parks.

(But then, Disney is Evil, of course........)

Generally (I believe) disallowing individuals to wear fur suits in public businesses (Disney World or not) seems to stem from a dislike of masks/head coverings which increases anonymity/possibility the person is there to commit a crime.

Fur suits however, are much less likely to be out of place or upset the police/security at an event like a parade.

...and you'll forgive me if I say, so? O.o

One griefer or nutter in a fur AV giving you a hard time is a world of difference than an entire sim's active and sanctioned policy of intolerance. Fur themed sims don't have such a policy and most I've been to quite the reverse.




Umm yeah, again there isn't a corresponding correlation of sanctioned intolerance either in policy or activity between those two themed sim groups, so the your point falls flat again.

Besides, in case you've missed it? I'm not a furry.



Yeah umm, /108/37/90573/11.html#post914888/108/37/90573/11.html#post914888

and

http://www.tombraider4u.com/kitten-pictures/thumb_kitten3kitty_.jpg

Here we just disagree. Do you think the North was better in the Jim Crow era because it didn't codify the same behavior and regulations that were used in the South, even though in practice, the two were about the same? Whether you put it on a notecard or spring it on someone, there really isn't much difference.



Again, a matter of perspective. I'd understand, nay, support a fur sim that decided to require all visitors to have a themed avatar. I just flat-out don't see that as intolerant. It's just pixels on a screen, no more, no less.




No, the constant refering to 'cute' pictures. It's seems akin to saying, here's a cookie, kid, now go away and shut up. But maybe that's just me.

I took your post to imply my friend was lying with your yada yada reply. When she related
something I encountered. If you think I am lying I don't really care.

Requiring a dress code is not intorlerance. Wearing a fur suit is no different than anything else. There is no entitlment in wearing one. Gor is not my game and I do not wish to play by such rules so I don't go there.
Is the quality of life totally destroyed by the fact that some people wish to play by a certain set of rules and create the enviroment to go with it?
If a persons life is so ruined by the fact they can't have thier own way all the time. Then they have bigger problems than not being allowed on a make believe piece of land in a video game.

As far as "sanctioned intorlerance" We have that in SL and Rl. There are people who think going naked is a form of self expression. I would dare you try to walk through the Welcome Area sans clothing or down the street in front of your house.

A question I have been wondering is. If they were recreating a Masonic Lodge which dosn't allow women or the Michigan Womans Music Festival that dosn't allow men. Would there be such a uproar. I suggest it has to more with the over all game they are playing than they don't allow furs in.

I think this whole issue boils down to something that most of us have heard at least once when when we were kids "When you pay the mortage, you can make the rules" It still goes back to it's thier game and thier land. When you pay thier tier. You can make the rules.

This link is broken http://forums.secondlife.com/showpo...8&postcount=254

Rox

Hm, lets consider... rape, torture, murder, splitting of families, sold and traded, sometimes with less value or consideration than cattle or farm equipment, as opposed to measures of freedom with bigotry. The potential to own property (which many did) to further themselves by way of education (which again many did, going on to become university educated) to owning one's own businesses and providing for one's family?

Tough choice.

In any event I'd call it a poor analogy and I'd say, I'd go with Gabe's analogy which I answered in /108/37/90573/2.html#post911138

The difference between the two groups one is sanctioned and encouraged by the group as a fundamental policy of that group. The other is in no way shape or form either sanctioned or encouraged and is most cases actively discouraged. I don't see the comparison at all. That would be akin to going in to a vampire themed club and getting some grief from a vampire RPer and then coming away with the impression that all vampire themed clubs and sims are 'anti-whateveryouhappenedtobewearing'.

Thats just a silly position to take.

The difference with gor? It isn't just one random twit, it is a underpinning to their RP apparently (and apparently only recently in so far as their policies in regards to non-rp visitors) and sanctioned, encouraged and actively supported policy of intolerance to any AV that's not one hundred percent full human (grey skin and pointy ears, cat tails, or glowing eyes, back of the bus please).

It's their right to do it, their land, but the fact that its their land and right doesn't magically make intolerance into tolerance or mean it isn't discrimination. It is in fact discrimination and intolerance (not at the same level as the extreme intolerance of racial discrimination but intolerance none the less) if not equally applied to all non-rp visitors whom wear the tags. It's just happens to be legal intolerance and discrimination in LL's view.




Aw, sorry, merely trying to lighten the mood. Cute kitten pics are after all a tradition in these forums after a certain volume of posts. ^.^

For a shorter, more to the point sign try "no blacks, asians or jews". Would get more form outrage that your proposed sign. *grins*


As far as Gor goes I've doen a lot of real-world role-play, and the way to handle non-RPers wandering into a zone is not to force them in a cage and demand they be your slave, pay you money or be killed.