Yay for discrimination in SL! \o/

No one is being forced to do anything. If you do not like their rules do not visit their sims, it certainly has worked out well enough for me. Perhaps I am doing it wrong.

Is there some shortage of non-Gor sims I am unaware of?

"Grow up and come up with some constructive comments."

Of course John Norman couldn't come right out and say Black people are inferior or his books would be banned, but he certainly propogates the philosophy that some people are genetically superior to others and that everyone is not created equal.

We are all about rules aren't we? I think the issue is more than rules, it is about bigotry, discrimmination, isolationizm, and willful ignorance. If someone wants me to change my appearance just to please them, then they do not need my company. Unless it was my girlfriend asking me to put on those sexy boxer briefs instead of a bathrobe, I don't think I could oblige them. I am a free spirit...

Don't know, but then what would be the point of a Non-rp tag at all if it wasn't to delineate a non-player and someone to ignore? If they can't do that speaks more to their inability to RP than anything else I'd say.

Want blended? Make the ID tag a large alpha'd sphere with glowing neon green text hovering above it? Would eliminate any visual cue of said visiting agent at all by making the AV invisible save for a the neon glowing Non-RPer text floating above their head and what ever attachments they had.

Again however I have a feeling its more about a power trip in telling others what they can and cant do to bolster egos than anything having to do with roll-play.

As before their right to do it, I'd of just gone a more consistent, even handed, fair, open, tolerant way with it, treating all non-rping visitors equally, but then thats just me. They're free to be as intolerant as they wish so long as they keep out of the nazi iconography in so far as LL is concerned. Their platform to use however they wish. I just personally neither like or approve, neither of which is required by them more is the pity.

Me I'm more willing to write most of this thread off owing to the down time of the latest upgrade and collectively slow work days.

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This is what Martin Luther King Jr. talked about, the idea of Just laws and unjust laws, and he was criticized for breaking laws. But he defended this in his Letter from Birmingham jail by saying that an unjust law should not only be ignored but is your duty to disobey it.

Artemis, you assume much. That quote, in its context applies to the darwinian society of the most able rules (especially in times of war).

Throughout the books it is spoken of as all those who can take their freedom and keep it are equal. I believe theres even a quote stating hos racism, like most mental defects and behavioral anomalies, has been ceased on Gor.

You are truly wrong on this one. Go read the books in full, wiht an open mind. then come talk.

Tal Dianne,

I am Aradon, Administratory of Port Cos. I am unsure of which "source material" you are considering? There are four (4) intelligent (humanoid) species on Gor: Humans, Spider-people, Kurii and Priest-Kings. Most sims point out that they only allow "Human" as the only type allowed. The other species do not mingle with humans, if someone wished to create a RP Themed land in the Sardar Mountains I am sure they would allow Priest King Avatars.

Tolerance is still there, but I take step to perserve the themed enviroment. I pay $400/month for this right and I excercise it.

If you would like to visit either of my sims, contact me in-game and I would provide a tour as long as you were in human skin and form.

Thank you
Aradon Psaltery
Administrator of Port Cos
Warrior Caste

Jesus, this thread got boring.

Some of you aren't very good at the forums.

Right they talk a lot about the people who deserve freedom is the people who can keep it. So you agree with that then?

So you agree that there was nothing wrong with white slave traders coming into africa and using advanced technology such as gunpowder to capture slaves from local tribes who simply didn't have the numbers or technology to fight back against it?

I guess they didn't deserve to be free huh?

The problem I see with SL Gor is the books are used selectively. Making rules from a few quotes in a series of books, yet blantantly ignore the other writtings in the books. If someone has to check the books before a decision is made, is that what Gor is about? Or is it just a tool to be used to suit ones mood at any given time. Living strictly by the books is in itself denying the true philosphy of Gor. Let's remember the books themselves often contradict what was written in a prior book.

How the hell did we arrive here?

To steer this a little off topic, and perhaps in a more friendly direction I've found the above to be untrue! I keep an outfit and human form in my inventory just for visiting Gorean sims (usually when shopping) for a bit. This doesn't bother me at all, and gives me a another form to decorate just for the fun of it!

However, when dressed up (as a free woman, I assume a slave outfit and titler is just asking for confusion) with a titler I've often gotten greetings and deference from role playing slaves in the welcome area, or just around town. I applaud the dedication to their role, but honestly I've got no idea how to react. I'm indulging past the usual freebie outfit, but also wearing the titler that I thought said "I have no idea what I'm doing!"

Anyone have suggestions on how to respond in a way that says "I'm just shopping" while still role playing for their benefit?

1. Gor isn't rl. This is a roleplay don't compare the two.

2. African tribes sold the first slaves to white explorers, from captured weaker tribes. The explorers took the idea and ran. Slavery among individual tribes persists to this day in africa.


Any other things you need straightened out?

Memir wins!

Jess

Amber, just mention to them you are only shopping. Most of those in Gor should leave you be, as you are not interupting the rp while not participating.

umm No it really isn't
it is about people thinking they have the moral right to enter some one esles place and tell them they have to accept them even tho they are not paying for it.
This attitude that we have to accept eachother is bull i am a American if you coem to my country i expect you to conform to my laws and my culture *Gasps* yes i know how bigoted!! hmm so i guess if i go to China i hafta follow their laws?? hmmmm ok

So basically you agree with the gorean sentiment that in turn agrees that african tribes being made slaves is just fine because they were too weak to stand up to the slavers.

And here's where you're not understanding something. For many goreans, gor IS rl, just ask a few of them if they're roleplaying. You'll be surprised how many say they're not. Where do you think the term "gorean lifestyle" came from? No one calls D&D or WoD a lifestyle.

Whoa... reread your quote from the book and please explain how you got that to mean anything at all about Black people, or any other minority? It does distinguish free from slave, but in the Gor world, that is not a racial distinction. In fact, it has nothing to do with genetic superiority, as people born free can become slaves, and the reverse can also happen. Project much?

A couple of thoughts.


1) Line in the sand:

Role play? Sim owner rights? Sure. But at some point, there *is* a line with what may be done with a private sim.

I think we all understand that a supremacist sim would be wiped in a heartbeat, 195 USD / month or not.

The question - where is the line. When is someone playing the role of a game, and when is someone playing the role of 'themself'?

Many people do relate *very* strongly to their online character. They see their form, even as a rabbit or a cat, as part of who they are.

This is where it differs from dressing up for dinner. I won't attempt to draw a line for anyone else. But I can completely understand how this subject has touched a nerve.




2) Mindshare:

For anyone who is unfamiliar with the marketing term "mindshare" it means this: As long as your name is on the mind of a consumer, you gain strong advantage.

The Gor sims gain a lot of mindshare from *any* sort of controversy.

What to do today? Well, what are the options - oh, yeah, go look and see what the Gors or furries are doing. Coke or Pepsi, or... what was that soda again?


As trashy tabloids prove, almost anyone can translate mindshare into hard cash.

So I would not be surprised if new, more shocking developments arise as time goes on.

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say i did, did I? I only spoke of history, current and older.



I don't rp Gor on SL. I do do it on other chat servers. I do practice the gorean lifestyle.

The gorean lifetyles molds the gorean tenants and behavoiral structure around the real world, staying -within- laws. My rl fiance has submitted to me and we hold to the master/slave relationship as closely as possible within the laws of the land. As the FM of gor did, I also insist on supporting us. A true Master does not rely on his slaves to support them, rather he supports their lives entirely.

Take it from personal experience when I say that many gor lifestylers dislike the rpers. Many can't seem to seperate the two.

D&D isn't a lifestyle... its MORE than a lifestyle!

I don't suppose that furries telling Gor people how to role play... nah. That wouldn't be a "power trip in telling others what they can and can't do to bolster egoes," could it?

No, what it does have to do with is that if you can't fight back you don't deserve freedom. John Norman couldn't put anything about black and other minorities being inferior obviously because no one would ever publish his books. So he just dressed up the philosophy that lead to this in the real world in a fantasy world of another planet.

You think a gorean who follows this philosophy would have been opposed to white slave trading, to taking native american land, etc.? I don't think so. I think they would have stood by and cheered if not helped.

I didn't, I asked if you agreed and you avoided the question. But since you seem to agree with the philosophy that "Freedom is for the Free" I can come ot the conclusion that you agree with the above statements, but don't want to say it over the forums because it'd make you look much worse than you're making yourself look already.





So you call me biased and thus my opinion is not viable for disliking gors, when all along you were a RL gor. So then you know that people take gorean philosophy, and philosophy: ideas are more powerful than anything if people believe them, very seriously and try to take them into real life.