Yay for discrimination in SL! \o/

That and there are clearly defined roles for btoh mean and women in Gor.. if someone doesn't agree with any of them, be an outlaw (of no caste, not welcome in cities, etc) or leave..simple as that.

Dont like not being able to flap your gums? Be a panther girl (or taluna depending on region)..but watch out for slavers and most free men..

Like being free...well theres the dunno.. 'free woman' role..

subs can be slaves..

men can be free or slave as well, so no discrimination there (and panthers often humilate men they capture as slaves)

Depends, places like rainbow tiger and furnation give the fandom a bad name. I hang out at the Forest and see alot of human avatars around sometimes, and we're more than welcoming to them. They either come to chat, or use the Forest Store.

I've never had a problem, although I do often put on a furry avatar if I'm intending to spend some time there. (But I'm just as likely to show up as a immaterial ball of light, so... *shrug*)

I went there to just look around, was just walking around and someone barked at me to halt and said furry has got to go. Was not mean, did not cage gun me, just was rather blunt but whatever...there are better places in SL than this. I don't think I was missing anything too important there. Screw 'em.

People are given a Guest tag to travel through out their sim. Meaning that you are not there to take part in the Role Play or activities of the sim. If you are not going to interact with the current denizens, why is it nessecary to change your form? That is like being forced to wearing a suit and tie to a dinner party you aren't even going to attend.

Plus, from what I have seen, if you all idly sit by and allow such activities continue to happen, it might end up being you one day. You could be moving through a furry sim and they decide you are human and you cannot stay. It tends to be that those that ignore strife and discord tend to be revisited by those forces sooner or later.

Keeping furries out of gor preserves the roleplay as it was intended.

Quit yer bitchin

That's an easy one; some avs are easier for residents to ignore than others, and that's what they do if you have a visitor tag. It's harder to maintain your sense of immersion with someone tromping about looking like Darth Vader or Baloo than someone who's just wearing slightly inappropriate clothes.

Hey dumbnut, the guest tag means you aren't there to become "involved" in the roleplay. So, why don't you get a fucking clue?

@Ord: My avatar looks mostly human. The joys of being a half-breed. In fact, very little on her was distracting.

If they can't ignore things that don't fit in, then they must be pretty poor roleplayers IMHO

I might try an experiment, later.

Their just roleplaying sims. They are privatley owned but opened to the public. They have their own rules which they take very seriously. In doing this, this is why their sims are so good and beautiful.

The reason why they are so nice, is because of the time and trouble they take to keep them looking that way, and to keep it all according to the roleplay. That is why they ask guests to wear tags and provide free outfits for people to wander round in if they want to explore.

Seeing as the owners are paying $200 a month for all this, its fair enough to respect the fact that they just want human av's wandering round in Gorean costumes, to keep the atmosphere right. It just wouldnt be the same if they had Darth Vader, a Ballerina and Giant sized furry Rabbit running round, now would it?

I also wish as well that there were roleplaying sims as nice as the Gorean ones, some swashbuckeling adventrue type ones, with a background story to follow, with people as dedicated, but with a theme not as sexist as in Gor

So just chill... its not the end of the world to have to change your AV to visit there. Even Human av's in normal clothes, get asked to change. They wont respect you unless you respect them too.

True, but if you remember. The guest tag is to alert people that you aren't there for roleplay, just observing or there to buy something. Also, going back to that comment about Darth Vader, unless he roleplays that he is walking by them and trying to interact with them. I don't see how they couldn't ignore them. Avatar movement mostly has nothing to do with roleplay some times, but interaction between them seems to help people.

One more thing, if they take note of a guest to a sim in their roleplay, that is the fault of the roleplayer, not the visitor.

Oh yeah, I am curious what your experiment is.

@Leah: All that you just said has been covered many times. Of course, no one has addressed the last portion of my first post. Peeps seem to be avoiding it.

Well i read the views on the gorean sims, and particularly the disappointment of...oh gosh im bad with names. Anyway,what i see is obviously some people who have a certain idea of their dream and what their dream should look like. I am not a fan of slave world and i am not much of a scholar on the subject.
I went once to their land as my blue avie and I hid as soon as I read that one could be caught and trapped, or made slave for whatever reason.
So I hid in a kind of gown, as suspicion grew (lol) and tension but then i realised that it was a very quiet time with no one around, no one to think i could become a slave or be banned because I was blue. I was having my own little story within an other type of role-play world(my world is usually much, much smaller than a gorean sim). So just to say what...that, wel,l maybe to go at a time they are asleep? or, if they feel so precious about their world and their visions of their worlds, to make it clear that no other avie but human are allowed, and if they really cant take it, then to shut the entire place, so they can have a good time together, without having some of the non goreans thinking they can enter their land and feel safe about it. Anyway, just a thought:
if i was to enter the gorean world in a human skin, I will still remain the mind of my avie, and i will fully express it, then they may have to think about banning minds who dont fit their lands. Lol!!

I do agree that land owners have the right to control who is allowed on any land. I exercise that right on all my lands. However I am now in the process of building a traditional Japanese sim. There will be clothing there if a visitor wishes to wear them. So they can feel a part of it. It wont be required, since I feel opening it to the public means exactly that, the public is welcome in no matter what form. If I started requiring the public to change how they look or dress then I would be trying to change them to what I want, not what they are. If I felt they must conform to what I want then I would feel I shouldnt have my lands open to the public.

I owned a Gor sim for awhile, never required anything beyond the golden rule. It never harmed the immursiveness of the sim. The simple guest tag was sufficient. I felt I was comfortble in the role play there enough that what someone looked like wouldnt interfer in the Role Play.

The old Port Kar left that grouping of land and I eventually gave my sim away. The changes that happened after Port Kar left did more to ruin my immusiveness in Gor that I was no longer comfortable in being Gor.

If someone doesnt look like me it shouldnt make me feel they are ruining any immursiveness I have in my land.

It boils down to the owner has this right. Be it right or wrong, it is their right. No excuses need to be made why.

Ok this is going to come as a shock to almost anybody who knows me, but i am gunna defend teh Goreans!
well
let me rephrase that, i'm gunna defend those sims..not that they have much in common with what Gor truely is!
you keep saying that you used to to be welcoem there
NO you were not The Port Kar you were allowed in no longer exists! these are all new sims owned by very insecure peopel who change the rules on whatever whim strikes them at that moment and will make sure they get their own way!
Hey! Go for it! i support them in it! they pay the bills, they can do what they want, Most of them issue a set of rules when you TP in, and many say right on that notecard NO NONHUMAN AV'S so, you are violateing their rules to continue past that point as a non human is it discrimination..eh if saying i cannot go into a mens room at a stadiumn is.

It doesn't matter if you don't think it is very disturbing to their RP. It doesn't matter the level of connectedness you feel to your virtual avie. It doesn't matter that you think this will proliferate across the grid for each parcel of land. It doesn't matter if they don't chose to outright ban non-RPers from the land. It doesn't matter if this confuses you or you don't think it is decent and proper of them.

It is how this particular location wants it. It is their PRIVATE location. You don't have to condone or understand, but if you want to play in their house, you need to abide by their wishes.

As was said, no excuses need by offered.

I'd agree with most of your post Toy, except.. I cannot agree that just because someone has the right to do something, it makes it right.

By the way - congratulations on your (soon to be) 1000th post!

Thats a very good point, if a roleplaying sim is any good, then there should be no need to force people to conform, and put out clothes etc.

If its a good roleplaying sim, then people will want to fit in, so that they can take part.

Thats a good reason to put out clothes.

Gor is a mediocre fantasy series, that would have sunk without trace without the sex theme. Imagine what someone could do with a decent fantasy book.

Now a New Crobuzon sim, that would be a good RP sim. (And it would be very inclusive, I can't think of any AV types that couldn't be explained away somehow )

It does, however, make it OK for them to do it. What's right? Your right or mine?

If you think this isn't really gor, so what? If you think it isn't a good RP area, so what?

ok
i have been made to feel uncomfortable in a furry sim
so what
it is their role play area they do not have to have nasty human's there
if they try to tell me i must accept their role play while i am on Linden land as a group of miilitary roleplayers just tried to do...that i find offensive. If i buy a sim
and say only short pink haired av's are allowed that is my right and peopel can stay away if they wish who cares?
there are how many other sims to explore?
Me Personally i do not liek being around roleplayers to long..because they tend to use it as a excuse for being jerks while not ever really roleplaying
like talking about down time and music streams in chat then sayin it was a role play event so attacking me was ok..or telling me in Main to IM them about e-mail
then saying what is this phone you talk about? we do not klnow that word
and i get into trouble for callin um on it
eh

Thank you, someone that has taken a small hint of what we are saying. Of course, I would like to hear your position on the last portion of my post.

By the way, if it was truly RP. You would at least have some choice in your capture. I mean, what is I want to resist capture. If that is performed, you are instantly banned from the sim. (By the way, trap evasion is nearly impossible if you have never tried it. I had special means when I was evading it.) So, you are left to try options... Surrender, Ransom(which is cheap extortion), Death(Which is bannable), and resisting(Ban).

I prefer to think of it in terms as being wise or foolish. There is nothing morally wrong with hitting yourself in the head with a hammer; however, most will agree it is a foolish action.

Hey Justice, (I won't namecall like a corrected child) its THEIR SIM that they PAY FOR.

Ya dig? Their sim, their rules. Like it or leave it, theres plenty of sims out there.

Now, the clue store is around the corner, no not the parastiic legend one, the freebie store next to it. Good, you got it, now eat your cookie and spend some time thinking about a land owners rights.

On the lighter note..



I'd love to visit there when you have it complete. I should have my samurai outfit (not armor) by that point.

I dont believe it is right either, its 'a right' not right. We already have the tools for an estate of making it public or not. That should be enough. If someone is in fear of having a guest ruining the immersion of the region, have it known they may come visit by invitation, nuch like joining certain groups. It often strikes me more of recruiting than actually wanting guests

eeeerps!!! Wasnt even paying attention to numbers but TY!

You showed how childish you were when you was took the post into a negative tone.

Possibly, this is true. They may disagree. I'm not going to worry about whether they are being foolish or not.

I happen to like hammers to the head, it distracts me from other stuff and I like stargazing.