Yay for discrimination in SL! \o/

ok, while id like to start ranting and raving that this is racism and such, down with antifurs, etc.....

I cant, I have to agree with everything thats already been said(or most of it anyways)

as much as I hate it when people tell me that I cant or shouldnt be furry or whtaever, i have to say that the owner of the domain has their rights to banning people for whatever reason they see fit. Now, yes, in my personal opinion, it does seem a little wrong for them to decide, but maybe they are doing it for some sort of roleplay reason. Personally, I dont even know what a gorrean is, nor do I care. If I teleported there by accident(unlikely, but these things happen) and they flamed me, I would respond with the truth, I dont intend on being here, it was an accident,

if they proceeded by banning me just for being there by accident with a non human AV, then yes, I would proceed with raising all holy heck in every place that I possibly could.

Its understandable that someone might have a request for being in their domain, but they should at least keep in mind the wishes of the potential visitors of their domain. People who dont like them or the way they treat visitors arent likely to return regardless of how things look there.

CJ

I havn't a clue as to what you are saying but it sounds like you are trying to slander me. Please remember the rules against mentioning peoples name in post. Besides your post is way off topic

You've heard this before but i'll tell you again since you don't get it really.

Slander: Telling lies on purpose that maliciously abuse someone's reputation.

Libel: Written version of Slander.

What I said? Facts. I even posted your quote that you said personally.

If that's slander then you just slandered yourself. Congrats.

Although I wouldn't think badly of the original poster if she did choose not to sell to Goreans. What's good for the goose, etc. Both being a furry and Gor RPers are freely-chosen forms of behavior and expression, after all; totally unlike discrimination because they had the poor luck to be born into a non-dominant culture, gender, race, etc, etc.

This thread makes Zap a sad.... Humanoid..

of course an offshoot would be racism and minotities are locationally and perceptionally different..but enough threads on that.

by all means stop selling to goreans, its your view, and just less business for you

you reserve the right to refuse service (especially if its not a 'born' condition)

Oh man, Slander!? They're totally fucking metal. I love them! \w/_>.<_\w/

Not really. Your situation violates Second Life ToS and Community Standards, which even private sims must abide by.

TOS? what's that?

Reported for saying Slander is "fucking metal". You obviously meant Slaughter.





Bow to the rockin' power of their animated .gif.

Reported for having a broken GIF and failing to provide your promises of a rockin' good time with Slaughter. You're also off my Christmas card list, wench.

EDIT: Reported for actually delivering on your Slaughter promises. But you're back on my Christmas card list... wench.

Funny.
Some people posting in this forum about rights to land and doing what you want, are the same people who think camping should be banned. hah
Whats the word im looking for. Starts with an "H"
Hmm?


Not to change the subject or anything.

Those would be "entitlement bitches" as we in the customer service industry calls them. And they are becoming increasingly common. That is a scary thing.

TOS Terms of Service, is a lil document that a company makes so everyone else can twist it around and look for loop holes to use as they see fit. As much as possible anyway.

So if they can ban anyone who does not look like a human from their sims.. does this mean that we can ban anyone who looks like gor from our own lands and zones?

What if they only allow humanoids, and we only allow people who do not belong in gor groups? This is going to lead into quite the fascinating little enviroment.

The Solar System.

No seriously... think about it:

If its "ok" to force anyone to change their avatars on your land because you own it... what would that mean in a year or two? Would we have to change avatars and cloths for each and every parcel we enter? Would we have to conform with rules and regulations for every sim we try to bounce into?

After all, its "fine"! You werent born with your avatar. You can easily change it. Click click click you're someone else. Naturaly it should be fine to enforce clothing and appearence regulations for each and every zone in SecondLife. Want to enter a club? Wear bling or be banned. Want to enter a mall? Wear this ID tag so we can follow your shopping habbits. And take off that hat, its nasty. Want to enter this lecture? Take off your tail. Want to enter this forest themed zone? Wear this furry avatar or get lost. Click click click.

Its not like your avatar is an off-shoot of your identity... or is it?

Depending on the circumstances it may or may not be "okay". However, avatars are a form of behaviour. Must one allow people to behave how they like on one's property? In a putative Victorian sim, say, should one be required to accept it if some visitor wishes to run around in a Kool Aid Man av, or fly in a space shuttle? (Furries in this instance could of course be refugees from the Island of Dr Moreau.)

I am certainly not a fan of closely-guarded land parcels but one can set standards without being unreasonable, to maintain a consistent design.

Anisa Naumova, going back to your original post, what's the point in getting worked up over that bunch of lemons? Alongside the BDSM brigade, the goreans have to be the saddest bunch of lemons I've ever come across anywhere in the known universe. Tell you what, gimme a shout once you get your own sim online and I'll build you up something truly jaw-droppingly awesome. Cheap rates, too.

While I can understand your point crystal..its a hyperbole.

Furries simply didn't exist in the books that the rp is based on. Why should they be allowed to participate if they want to keep it 'book-true?'

I'm sure if a fuyy sim said only furries or some form of animal then furries wouldn't consider -that- discriminatory. Or would they?

I have never heard a Gorean express a dislike of furries. Have seen you express a dislike of Goreans, though.

Yup! This land is your land, this land ain't my land, from luskwood forest to the mainland border.... this land was made for you and me

It's your land if you want to ban everyone you can.

Personally, my av is about as much of an offshoot of my identity as the clothing I wear or the way I style my hair, or possibly my tattoos.

Now back in the day, there's a lot of places I wouldn't have gotten into with blue hair and piercings. A lot of jobs I wouldn't have gotten either. I knew that.

Even today with normal hair and all the metal gone, I'm still a pretty casual dresser. I'm not getting into Restaurant De Swank in jeans and a sweater.

Every time I've gone to a job interview, I cover up my tattoos. When I got them, I made sure they were in places easy to cover with regular clothing.

If I never wanted anyone to have the right to ask me to conform to a specific mode of dress or professionalism of appearance, I can always stay home, where my rules are paramount.

Frankly I think the speculation that in a year or two the entire grid will be filled with these little caesars intent on micromanaging the appearance of thier visitors is hyperbole. For one, how many parcels in SL do you visit where the owner or group rep is ALWAYS there to enforce the appearance rules? Secondly, the Gor example is of a rather extreme role-playing situation - they do have their reasons behind the request. I rather doubt that even 20% of SL residents give a shit either way about what you look like to go through the trouble of diligently maintaining appearance rules for their visitors just for the hell of it.

Nice try but...people who are actually roleplaying and doing things is totally different than people who sit afk in a chair for hours/days wasting resources when some people can't even get to their home because of it.

Time for me to add my 20 cents because I think some of the manners used by some people in this thread is bordering on just plain appalling.

Let me first talk about identity, let's use myself as an example here, 3 years before coming to SL I left the "Furry Brigade". I tried to make a decent Human avatar at first, but didn't enjoy the poser-esque looks of the human avatars, something about human avatars just creeps me out sometimes. They look good, but always something off (Maybe we've hit Masahiro Mori's 'Uncanny Valley'). So I went with a furry avatar, but not something everyone else had, started with an anubis, and went to a bunny. I'm now famous for my avatar it is my main identity. People know me by my "skin", my identity. Just like a black person is black they can't change it. If I changed how I look, most people would not recognise me. I think the arguments that people should change their appearance (ex clothes/attachment) just as easily as you would change to be within "dress code" is a bad example, that is changing clothes. I change my clothes based on what's going on or where I am. But I'm still a bunny. I want rid of this notion that everybody is willing to just change identity as easy as changing clothes. Changing clothing is fine, taking off that penis attachment is polite. Would you expect a black man to paint himself white to comply with a club's rules of "White's only"? (I know people have talked about blurring the boundary between RL and SL comparisons, but this is identity. People in SL should not be expected to change their identity easily if they don't wish).

Furries count as a group, they have large chunks of SL, have done many things for the SL community as a whole. Most of Ginko is Furry. Anshe has donated furry sims to the community. Luskwood is a famous SL Furry sim. Goreans are another group of people, they have their rules, expectations, looks, and behaviour. But in the presence of one another, should be expected to conduct each other properly. This is SL where many Minorities intermingle.


Next up, code of conduct, some of this may not be covered in rules, but is just plain politeness. And hopefully, in most circumstances should leave both parties with no less an opinion of each other. I've seen 2 arguments, both of which I'll cover here.

Basically, if you have rules, make sure people get them the moment they come into a sim. Or given to people already on the sim to pass on to new people. People entering the sim should read these rules and see if they are welcome or should change dress. If this is too much hassle, just leave, go elsewhere, SL is a big simulator.

Now Goreans, when you come across an avatar that doesn't fit the rules, remember to just try and be polite, if they aren't welcome, ask them politely to leave, they are within their right to ask why, if they've been given rules, point this out nicely to them or explain, but by no means start slandering or even without warning land banning, or pushing avatars across sims. Pushing IS NOT ALLOWED anywhere other than combat sims, security systems push this rule due to giving a WARNING, and giving a gentle push to get the message that people are not welcome (If they still warn and push when you are out of that parcel and in someone else’s, then this is wrong).

So what should one do if instead of being politely asked to leave, they are immediately banned say, then just don't go back, they choose to be that way. But if you are verbally abused and/or pushed in any way using scripts, even with warning, then you file a PvP abuse report, or general abuse report depending on the circumstance, be sure to include the chat history with your report, this will help show that no warning was given, or show that verbal abuse was given.

At the end of the day, I'm sure goreans don't want to give themselves a bad image. Notecard rules in ressing in the sim, in maybe a little areas out of the way where anybody can res and ready themselves for the rest of the sim, can sit and read the rules etc. If they refuse to abide by the rules and continue into the sim, then a politely ask them to leave as I state above, they may ask why, be polite, as you won't incarcerate yourself, if they are trying to cause trouble, and refuse to leave or are being abusive, then simple TELEPORT THE AVATAR HOME. and then land ban if you wish, no pushing an avatar around, this keeps them in the sim anyways and just counts as PvP abuse. They're in the wrong, don't make sure you get dragged down with them.

So respect the rules and wishes of people in the sim if they clearly indicate it to you, if you own a sim, make sure you politely make sure any visitors know the rules of the sim and give the best impression you can.



remember to respect each other as you're basically living in the same world, take eachother into account and find ways to make sure both come out with no worse an opinon of the other. To be honest, some people in this thread have not done this, posts like this, this or this are just not appropriate and are pointless flamebaiting. Coincidentally, it seems all of these are from the gorean side of the argument, I've noticed furries have tried their best to explain their situation and ask what's going on, while goreans for the most part have been "it's our rules, our Sims, abide or f*** off". While this may not be wholly the case, this is the impression I was given by spending 3 hours reading this thread. Please think about that.

I've left my L$2. I'm sure I've made many spelling mistakes and probably could've explained stuff better, so if need be, feel free to ask me to explain anything I've typed, but don't start flamebaiting please.