Yay for discrimination in SL! \o/

How is 'be a human av' a strict degree? Its the DEFAULT avatar. Its not hard to hit 'detach all' and get rid of all the furry attachment parts..There is no arguably strict degree present.

I'm going to simplify this for all the furries out there who think they have a right (HA!) to wear whatever they want in gorean sims.

You don't.

THEY built the cities and architecture.
THEY bought the land and pay the teir fees.
THEY obey their own rules. Why can't you?
THEY did not force a furry AV on you. No one did. You did. Hell, it's not even a permanent thing. You can EASILY go back to human any time you like and then right back to furry.

You may NOT compare this to racial discrimination in real life, it is not even close.

This is not the equivalent to a black person not being allowed to stroll through a government owned park.

This is more akin to a store owner putting up a sign saying NO CLOWN COSTUMES ALLOWED . Ya know what? If you walk into his store in a clown outfit, he can deny you service for that reason alone. You can A) Leave, or B) TAKE OFF THE GODDAMN CLOWN COSTUME!

This post goes for anyone else who thinks they have a right to tell other people how to do things on other peoples' land.

For the record, I have nothing against furries, and I am not Gorean, but this is just BS.

It is certainly argueable, since their rules force you to change your appearance even as a non-participant. I've never wanted to play as furry, and here most of the costumes just look rather blah to me personally- but to many fo them that is their avie, that is how they want to appear, and very much their "skin".

I do see what you're saying, I just think though we have to look at it from their perspective too. You are right, it's their bills, and their rules. But that isn't to say their rules aren't a little silly either..

Silly or not, those are the rules set forth by the people who built and maintain the land. Period. Don't like it? Leave. But don't go waving around some banner saying it's your right to F-up what they've worked so hard to build. (Not saying you personaly are.)

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No, it is the costume they choose to wear. Every AV in game, furry or not, is a costume. The gorean clothing is a costume, even if it's just a human in ancient clothing. It's the costume goreans want you to wear in their sims. You don't like their costume? Then you don't need to be in their sims.

I partly agree. They built it, they fund it, they set the rules. Fine and dandy. But then, they put stores up and allow visitors, but only visitors that meet their specific criteria. Its called bigotry. A bigot is "one who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ." Yes, they have every right to be this way with their sims, but IMO, they should make their sims private if someone with a tail just visiting can utterly destroy thier immersion.



No. You are wrong. That might be your view, but many people consider the appearance of their avatar to be their 'skin'. The original meaning of 'avatar' is 'the incarnation of a Hindu deity, especially Vishnu, in human or animal form.' Our avatars are our incarnations in the SL world, and changing that embodiment at the whim of some other group is taken as an afront.



And yet... its okay for 'human' avatars to wear the 'visitor' flag as the only required 'costume'. So long as their skin is 'human', its all good. Yet, place the same flag over a furry head, and they will still get abused and kicked from the sim. Take a furry and stick them in the burqa of a Gorean free woman, and they're still not good enough to even visit in Gor.

-Ghoti

Err, no, this is not bigotry in any way.

They are doing you a FAVOR by not making them private. They COULD just make them private and take the easy way out, but they choose a more difficult, yet rewarding path. They want to share their world, their immersion with EVERYONE. All they ask in return is you not BREAK that immersion through SIMPLE and TEMPORARY means. Is that really so difficult to grasp? If you don't like it, then YOU can treat them as sims that you're not allowed to enter and then everybody who cares is happy. Hooray!



It's a costume, a costume, a costume. They may consider it a PERFECT REPRESENTATION of themselves, but it is not directly them. It can be changed to be something totally different, and many SLers I know still haven't found the perfect avatar/costume for them.



YES DAMNIT- Because the HUMAN part of the avatar does not break the immersion they've worked so hard for! The furry form DOES. They do not care if you are a male/female in RL, if you play a furry 99% of the time, or anything else ASLONG AS YOU PLAY BY THEIR RULES ON THEIR OWN LAND. If you cannot abide by these rules, IT IS BY CHOICE.

Not bigotry. Don't even TRY to lump it into this discussion.

*in before the lock due to non-constructive dialog*

I think this bears repeating: If you gorean sorts want want that immersive environemnt, you aught really make the islands invisible. Talk about saving all kinds of greif and strife - one island for "public" contact, the rest for total, uninterrupted, do-as-you-wish role play.

By the by - doesn't having an av tooling around with "I'M JUST A VISITOR" floating in red text over thier heads wreck immersion too? Seems like it would, to me.

A small sacrifice they make to share their sim, in addition to having to police rule breakers.

And yes, they aught, but as I just stated, they don't. For the benefit of many.

The problem here is, you all just don't have the self control to stay out of those sims if you don't like the rules. No, you don't get to tell them to pick up the slack for you and babysit your actions by locking their sims. Get over it.

The dialogue so far has been ontopic explanations and argument for the last few posts. Please don't start this.

Wow. Here I thought I was making a constructive suggestion.

Do I get to refer to goreans as "you all" when I complain about the ones who parade thier nude slaves around my proerty in a PG sim? This is getting to be commonplace. Talk about no self control.

Boot him/her. It's your land, it's your right.

If ya want a fun RP argument just boot the slave and wait for the master/mistress to come start something for touching their precious piece of property. Then boot them too. ^^

And yes, it was a constructive suggestion. Just got into stint for a while is all. My apologies. Still, there's no reason they have to limit themselves because others can't play by the rules. Nor should you have to deal with goreans who break the PG rules aswell as your own on your own land.

And you may only use "You all" in reference to goreans who break those rules. Just as I used "you all" in reference to people who expect to be allowed to break gorean rules on their own land.

That's a heck of a "small sacrifice" to have a whole different set of rules for visitors, and more importantly enforce them. It seems like a lot of hassle to me to operate under if someone were so strict on maintaining an immersive environment, especially when as it's been pointed out how someone can so easily keep an island sim private and just avoid those issues...

.. unless there is another motive for staying public?

And...well...dwell...for the moment anyway. Heh.

*WARNING- THIS PARAGRAPH IS DIRECTED TO THE RULE BREAKING BODY AS A WHOLE AN NO ONE IN PARTICULAR*
Yep, they probably need some form of dwell to help keep the sims going. Perfectly valid reason to keep the sims open to visitors. But please, no arguments entailing "The gors need me to keep their sims open! I can wear what I want!" No, you still can't. Yes, the store owners need customers, but not customers in clown suits disrupting business.

*Disclaimer* I have nothing against clowns.

And I was refferring to the Visitor title above their head as the "small" sacrifice. Policing is no easy job.

No, its not arguable. The default avatar is a click away, its extremely easy. Its a Gorean Roleplay sim and last I checked there arent a shortage of nongorean rp sims..there is -no hardship- in using a default human av. As far as it being their 'skin.' Thats their perception. Its a costume, same as any avatar. your perceptions don't make you an exception to the rules.



Nudity isn't allowed on public on pg land. Abuse report or warn..your choice

But isn't it is silly to regulate the appearance of their non-participants, regardless of how easy it is to change avies or whether they are within thier Linden-given right to do so?

At the risk of overly extending a really stupid thread, as a furry I can't help but wonder if the same folks saying the Goreans have to bend to the wills of non-Goreans would be as adamant about, say, human avs having the right to walk around in furry-only lands* without putting on furry avs, and go on about how the furries are bigoted, racist, and the other assorted negative labels that have been slapped onto the owners of Gorean sims that want to maintain the purity (for lack of a better term) of the RP environment for which they're paying real-world money, just because the furry sim owners might want to maintain a consistent RP environment.




* I don't know for sure if they exist on SL, but given what I've seen in other furry online environments like MU*s and such, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a "no icky hy00mans!" sim or two around.

Ace--I totally laughed when I saw this, I so got the reference.

And what about the Furlings? Will we ever see them?

To this day, I am still looking for a watermelon Priest-King av! Haven't found one yet, but it's on my list.

I suppose someone could get an island for "Furry Goreans"--it isn't out of the question; this is Second Life, after all.

Generally speaking about the broader issues, though: if someone owns land, they can ban someone else from that land and not even have to state a reason. It may not be nice, but that's within their landowner's rights.

However, if they were to ban someone who was a furry and proceeded to assail said furry with IMs of hateful and threatening messages, those would be personal attacks, and NOT allowed in Second Life as per the Community Standards.

Dunno - if someone wants to lock down a sim or any land they pay for in order to do whatever they want its AOK with me. I don't think its discrimination.

If they only wanted Ruth Av's in there to make a surreal village of the damned - I'd be down with that too.

So long as noone is forcing it down the throat of anyone else its AOK.

I don't subcribe to any of the 'lifestyle' malakia that goes on around the joint - and so long as the folks are polite when off their land I'm down with it..

I get folks sometimes refering to me as 'master' at my store - I say 'Siggy is fine' but I let them continue if they like.

The only thing I don't go for is 'Master/Mistress wishes me to communicate with you about x/y/z' - in those cases 'Master/Mistress' can wedge their arse outta the vampyrelfgothbloodthrone and come see me themselves.

Silly to regulate visitors and observers? Yes, to a degree. While observers wearing normal sized (or smaller) furry costumes shouldn't be restricted in my opinions, this with say..huge flashy wings, or standing 10 meters, etc should have to get to a 'normal' level. While a single feline walking by wouldn't distract me much, but a 20 meter furmech would detract too much form the rp environs.

Of course thats what I would do, and I don't own a sim.

Silly or not, dems teh rools.

This is really what SL is all about, doing and living the fantasies we can't ANYWHERE else. They just want to keep their fantasy pure and undisturbed. Be it by furries or modern techonolgy.

Sorry, one couldn't even call this furry discrimination. Robots, demons and maybe even goths need not apply.

Think about it?! people using live webcams to get real $?????? and at times BIG money for what i heard. And NO i don`t think Second Life had any real thought about reachin gto this low point. Sad indeed.

'This low point'

I would say a Gorean sim (beautiful btw) is a HIGH point of SL..

I just choose not to do the Gor thing on SL.

Its already planned and in the works actually. The sim is meant to represent an "Alternate Future" Gor set in a more sci-fi and cyberpunk themed period of Gorean history, and furries are more than welcome.

I discussed some methods for advertising the sim with the creator and owner just yesterday...so expect to be seeing information about it in SL soon.

Personally, I think its a great idea and offers a wonderful merging of three communities in SL that rarely ever mix...Gorean roleplay, Science Fiction roleplay, and the Furry community. I am looking forward to seeing how it goes.

And how about sexism? I'm not seeing the difference.