Why so many RUDE people?
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Earl Zabibha
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10-31-2006 07:25
From: Gummi Richthofen Thanks Earl, I may just do that. From: Francesca Alva I was on my virtual slice of heaven just now tidying up the graves and pumpkins, etc, from Halloween, when along came, oh, let's call her, Nubee Avatar. She walked right past me - almost cannoned into me. I said hello but there was no response. I'd never seen her before so checked her profile, and sure enough she was a newbie - the newest of newbies - rez day 1 Nov 2006. I charitably assumed she didn't know I was talking to her, although we were the only 2 people there, or that she hadn't yet mastered the complicated procedure we practiced SL-ers call chat. Anyway, back I went to my tidying up and seconds later Nubee came back. "Ah," sez I to myself. "She's realised I was talking to her." So again I said hello, and this time I addressed her by name, just so she'd know that I was talking to her and not the hedges, trees, or Gov Linden (God bless 'im). Nada. Zippo. Zilch. I was just about to invite her to have a ride on my carousel, when a creaking sound told me she'd found the swings. I walked over, stood in front of the swings and said that I hope she was enjoying her first day in SL. Silence. I went a few meters away to adjust my summerhouse and had my back to the swings when a sepulchral voice (well it looked sepulchral) said, "It is not my first day". Now we Europeans would write today's date as 1/11/2006, so I virtually blushed wondering if I'd misread it and was talking to someone who had been here longer than I. Or perhaps it was 2005 and not 2006 when she joined. Oh the shame of it. But no, there it was - 11/1/2006. I said as much to her and then added that she must be an alt. No response - just the creaking of the swings and the howling of the SL wind. I went back to the swings and welcomed her to my parcel. I thought perhaps she was the kind of person who thinks chatting to the domestics is beneath her, so I wanted her to know that I was Lady of all this Vast Domain. Nothing. A little peeved by now I said that it had been nice chatting with her and added three exclamation marks. Then, feeling a bit like Apu in The Simpsons, I said "Do come again!" and logged off. Does anyone else think this is boorish behaviour? A simple "hello" back was all that was needed. She clearly spoke at least some English, so that wasn't the reason for not responding at all.  I know its not just the Elders that are the rude ones...
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Earl Zabibha
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11-01-2006 07:57
I know its not just the Elders that are the rude ones...
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Johan Durant
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11-01-2006 08:04
From: Ayu Sura I've been fortunate that I've met mostly nice people in my 4 weeks in SL. I can understand people wanting to put up barriers, I probably would if my area had a high "drop in" rate. However one time I was flying around and I bumped into one that said "F*** YOU" - I thought that was quite unnecessary  SOMEBODY's pissy... I find the desire most people have to prevent drop-ins rather interesting. Me, I love it when random people show up at my lake, and always fly over to say hello when I spot someone visiting.
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Earl Zabibha
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11-01-2006 08:26
From: Johan Durant I find the desire most people have to prevent drop-ins rather interesting. Me, I love it when random people show up at my lake, and always fly over to say hello when I spot someone visiting. I teleported in someplace to buy clothes lastnight, and at that point I walked right into a guy, he was not there, I did not see him at all, then someone asked me what i was doing and that I kept waling into him while he was editing somthing. I could not say I was sorry enough, I explaind what happend and I was there looking to buy clothes, his aditude changed when I explaind and stated I was so sorry, he took his time to walk me around the store and show me what I was looking for... I understand him being upset at first because it happens all the time with newbies pushing him he stated. just being nice to oneanother goes along way.
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Johan Durant
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11-01-2006 08:39
heh, this is making me think of a funny encounter I had with a newbie the other day. She was totally lost, and very much the OMGWTFBBQ!!!1!!!!! sort. She asked me some questions, and when she asked how to find a club, I walked her through using the Search window. As soon as I said, "So then you click the Teleport button..." and POOF she was gone. Hmph, not even a "ty." 
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Ayu Sura
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11-01-2006 08:41
lol she probably had no idea how to find you and IM you, or get back after she hit the "teleport" button.
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Earl Zabibha
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11-01-2006 09:06
From: Gentle Welinder Non Player Characters. They would be the Barnies in Half-life, the Inn's keepers in Diablo, etc. They are computer controlled, limited repitoire and conversation devices. People when they fist come into SL may be expecting to be running into literally dozens of these non-player types when they see everyone running about in their avatars. Mine is a little unearthly in simulation, so on top of gaping stares, the usual newbie question is, "R u a NPC?!" When I tell them no - I am a real person, they then usually ask, "Can I shoot u w/ my gun?" to which I point them to an avatar next to me - "You may shoot him." :> Just kidding, I usually get silent when a new person asks where they may use or purchase weapons, as that is not the point of being in a *SIMULATOR*. Not to me at anyrate. Sometimes, newbies can be bent from a path of self-destruction. I have kindly guided a fellow online from one of these "Shoot everything that walks and get banned from 3-4 sims a day" types into a decent, productive member of our online family. Took him a while to catch on that there were real people running around in their virtual make-believe bodies. It turned him around 180 degrees when he realized that. He hung up his gunbelt, got a job, and is purchasing his first land soon! So even if they are rude little peckers, treat them well... They'll usually come back, you being the ONLY person that will talk to their rude little faces - and that is when you begin to sculpt and mold them into model citizens.  In the case of your spooky swing user? I have a spooky little girl that follows me around, TPs in unannounced/uninvited. I just do not acknowlge her in the least. Conversation of any type, including "Get out!" percipitates at least an hour of listening to why her life sucks so badly. After 5 minutes of talking around her to other friends - she moves on. Sometimes attentivores have better targets of opportunity after you clam up. I seriously think some folks do or don't do things just to get any kind of a rise out of folks too. So someone that responds with "I am not new here." with and account just made that day - well, start thinking about why that may be- especially if they cannot carry on an intelligent, courteous conversation. Ignore, and leave be - they'll take care of themselves one way or another. Enough rambling out of me for now, I'll let you guys talk about this one amongst yourselves for a turn or three.  now thats funny
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Conan Godwin
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11-02-2006 05:25
You know what I hate even more? name tags. Being able to know peoples names without introducing yourself and speaking to them has removed all sense of ettiquet from conversation. We no longer feel compelled to introduce ourselves, we know who we're talking to straight away. I hate that kind of familliarity. I don't like walking into a room and having a doze strangers yell "Hi Conan" as if I'd known them for years. It's just plain wrong. Imagine walking into a restaurant for the first time in RL and everyone in there knowing your name yelling Hi across the restaurant. That would be pretty off putting I reckon.
Some people like that sense of informality, and I can see it's attractions. However, my experience has been that, far from encouraging people to be more sociable, it makes people feel that politeness is no longer necessary and detracts from any sense of decorum regarding the proper way to conduct social interaction.
Fortunately I have never been bothered by griefers. That's not to say I haven't been griefed, I have, it just hasn't bothered me. I don't mind admitting, I've caged and orbitted griefers myself, with little or no warning. I know thats a breach of TOS itself, but in self-defence I'm willing to take the risk (can't afford a ban master, so no other way to bounce people).
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bilbo99 Emu
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11-02-2006 06:16
Good grief! I don't have the time to back-read THIS one! Name tags Conan. What you say is quite true but on the other hand, one of the biggest tools for breaking down the social barriers is being able to address someone? Surely going into a club or pub and eyeing a prospective friend, it's so much nicer to say "Hello Conan" rather than "excuse me, the person next to the winged dwarf"  Backing up what you say though, I went to an event and the screen was just so jammed with names and titles flitting around the place I couldn't see my fiancee on the other side of the dance floor!
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Earl Zabibha
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11-02-2006 13:06
From: bilbo99 Emu Backing up what you say though, I went to an event and the screen was just so jammed with names and titles flitting around the place I couldn't see my fiancee on the other side of the dance floor!
I have to agree with you on this one, I hate going in a club and 40 names, NOT ONLY names but names of groups and titles as well blocking everything.
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Joseph Worthington
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11-02-2006 13:07
Indeed. However that's not a case of rude behavior...but rather preference settings. I have mine set to display names temporarily. You could try setting your own to never.
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stefanus Hebert
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so many rude people
11-03-2006 11:40
I guess because they can be.. Let's face it, if some of these "walking paradox" would behave the same way in RL they would most certainly end up in the hospital on a weekly basis.
They are just showing their true self.. which by itself is scary enough. It's just that in Rl there are some real consequences to what you do. Same can be said for lies, manipulation etc.... It's easy for some people to hide behind their computer screen.
Politeness is something you learn and obviously something some people lack.
It goes back how sometimes i'm surprise to find people over 20 (and 30 and 40) and behaving like drooling idiots. And of course there is the teens playing the game. Well at least I can always take comfort that a teenager brains is not yet developped... But when you are over 30?
I really don't like to ban people from anything, but I found that, recently, I had to resort to this more and more often... I find that sad.
just wish some of these folks would use radiation on their private part and give us all the gift of their non-reproduction...
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Earl Zabibha
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11-05-2006 14:23
From: stefanus Hebert I guess because they can be.. Let's face it, if some of these "walking paradox" would behave the same way in RL they would most certainly end up in the hospital on a weekly basis... I wouldn't mind splitting a few lips noa and then! but what can you do.
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Gummi Richthofen
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11-06-2006 03:09
From: Earl Zabibha I wouldn't mind splitting a few lips noa and then! but what can you do. It's all about ettiquette: the option to give someone a monstering has been taken away - so what do you do next? You can't intimidate or shut out...all you can do is point the finger. I've found it can lead to a certain juvenile shrillness in all exchanges, as well as ever more complicated shells of protocol this and ettiquette that - I've been excoriated for starting with an IM, then upbraided for saying "hi" in public, then slapped just for standing still, yelled at for the inexcusable sin of standing on the TP point waiting for the room to rez... Though my favuorite was last night: some scripting genius had a little thing set up which would whisper blandishments just to female Avs passing by his advert. Not entirley pleasant blandishments, and to my mind, inappropriate ones for what is a retail space. I wanted to explore the issue with the guy... but no such luck. Instant thermonuclear meltdown and a prize example of a self-digging hole: the guy KNEW he was being bad, and to a certain degree EXULTED in his sneakiness: here was a space and a place in which he could let his true self out, and not even discuss whether perhaps he could get better results by using a less underhanded and dubious method. In the following 20 minutes, two different avs turned up at my location and caged me from good and far out: seems I had disturbed a scripting crew, belled the cat, whatever you want to call it... In RL (amongst many other things) I used to deal often with companies and individuals who had found porn on a computer and didn't know what to do with or about it. I thought I'd met some pretty broken people then, whose pleasant public personas hid a dark and dysfunctional inner self... I guess it's only natural that such people will gravitate here. Certainly, the other threads here about sticking it to Linden Labs seem to come from people whose idea of getting what they want starts and stops with a big stick and a red face...
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Conan Godwin
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11-06-2006 04:06
From: Joseph Worthington Indeed. However that's not a case of rude behavior...but rather preference settings. I have mine set to display names temporarily. You could try setting your own to never. That only affects my screen. Others can still see my tag. My point was not other peoples name tags blocking my view - I have turned off avi names already. Someone mentionned that knowing someone's name breaks down social barriers. I agree. It does break down a barrier. That's not a good thing. Some social barriers are there for good reason. I want to meet people and make friends - but I don't want to be friends with every single weirdo who I pass in the street. Sometimes I want to go somewhere and not chat, or just chat with my friends. Imagine going to a coffee house with your friends to have a discussion, and every single person there kept butting in - you'd think they were incredibly rude. I could just talk to friends in IM, but what if I want to talk to a group of friends? No I think the best option is just to yell at people to stop butting in. They may think I'm rude, but that's there problem for initiating the rudeness in the first place by sticking their nose where it wasn't wanted.
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Conan Godwin
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11-06-2006 04:08
From: Gummi Richthofen I've been .......... yelled at for the inexcusable sin of standing on the TP point waiting for the room to rez... ... I'd yell at you for that in RL too - it's the same as standing in the doorway of an RL shop and blocking people from getting in and out. Even if the room hasn't rezzed, you can still take two or three steps forward with a minimum of fuss.
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Conan Godwin
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11-06-2006 04:11
From: bilbo99 Emu Good grief! I don't have the time to back-read THIS one! Name tags Conan. What you say is quite true but on the other hand, one of the biggest tools for breaking down the social barriers is being able to address someone? Surely going into a club or pub and eyeing a prospective friend, it's so much nicer to say "Hello Conan" rather than "excuse me, the person next to the winged dwarf"  Backing up what you say though, I went to an event and the screen was just so jammed with names and titles flitting around the place I couldn't see my fiancee on the other side of the dance floor! I disagree. I think that knowing a persons name before speaking to them disrupts the natural flow of conversation. saying "Hi Jim" or whatever just seems a lot less natural than saying "Hi, my names whatever......." and going from there. I find it unnerving.
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bilbo99 Emu
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11-06-2006 05:16
Yes Conan, on reflection I think you're right. Thinks I'll turn off tags tonight - might find fiancee a bit quicker too!
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Ayu Sura
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11-06-2006 08:08
The difficulty with not having name tags is in situations where there is more than one other person there..
you say: "Hi! My name is Ayu, and you are...?"
... and nobody knows who you're addressing and looks at you weird.
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Maggie McArdle
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11-06-2006 12:54
You can take your mouse button and hover over the ava as well to find out thier name: setting your preferences to temporary means you see the tags for a breif five seconds if You missed thier name use your mouse as described above.
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Ayu Sura
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11-06-2006 12:56
Ahhh didn't know that  Thank you!
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Earl Zabibha
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11-07-2006 07:29
From: Maggie McArdle You can take your mouse button and hover over the ava as well to find out thier name: setting your preferences to temporary means you see the tags for a breif five seconds if You missed thier name use your mouse as described above. thx for posting that, I had forgot all about that as well....
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bilbo99 Emu
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11-07-2006 07:44
yes, I discovered that hovering manoevre last night when I turned my tags off - very useful for all things - saves a lot of 'touching' on goods too!
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Joseph Worthington
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11-07-2006 19:37
*Sighs*
Ok....I've tried to bite my tongue about people being Jack-Holes but in the past 7 days alone we've had...
3 uninvited and unannouced "guests" teleport/map into our house.
2 different people stop by our home more then once and continually try to open our doors and just walk on in, even after getting the message from the door that it was locked and being greeted by myself and my partner.
1 resident come by acting like a door to door salesman and offer to build/sell us a house...while were we standing next to our home. He then proceeded to use the spare space around our home as a sandbox.
1 resident pan cam into the second floor of one of our homes while we were relaxing in the tub.
1 resident cage us as soon as we teleported to a shop for no reason what-so-ever.
I know some of these are minor offenses in the grand scheme of things...but 8 incidents in 7 days? It's sad when you can't go a single day in SL without some sort of rudeness.
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Maggie McArdle
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11-08-2006 07:40
dont forget Luv that some were wearin these "heads"? whats up with that?
oh and np, always glad to help.
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