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Woot Congrats

Thanks man, I tell you it is a relief it's all over.

Great and thanks for posting the update to the wiki and now the rebuilding starts

We finally got it!

All our 10 or so choices had gone and we got an email from LL about an hour ago - we had another look and found a suitable parcel.

The Linden that dealt with the WIP ticket came along, divided it up for me and handed it over.

4051-6484704 29/6/2009 10:36 AM PDT

Thank god it's over. Now, where's my hard had and trowel?

Gomez

congrats Gomez... and welcome.

Thanks Lord S! I'm a small land owner so building isn't the nightmare it would be for others.



Good stuff Gomez.

Well, I got turned down. I can't say I'm completely surprised it is just a latex clothing store although it is at the racier end with crotch and breast cut outs and that sort of stuff.

It is annoying though, adult search terms are used in the land description and have always been used. It is clearly aimed at an adult market. When I asked if I would have to remove the adult words to remain visible in search I was told.. "you are free to add mature search terms" That sickly PR speak turns my stomach.

I'm sure that over time it will be unsustainable to sell this sort of product on mature land. I will constantly have to keep just under the word filter, and the filter is much more likely to become more restrictive than less so. I'm also guessing that adult product consumers, who are the market, are likely to just search using the adult filter box.

So it looks like I'm faced with buying some adult land, but it's going to be a while before I'm in the mood to give more money to LL.

Well you only appear in adult search, this is getting very silly, if people are using adult advertising they should be getting the move. Personally I think everyone who owned mature land should have been able to get the move but it's absurd that the search filter deems your parcel description as adult and Linden Lab do not.

I suggest you ask them to reconsider. I raised this exact point with Blondin back in May; for what it's worth, the exchange was:

I don't know, of course, how much weight Blondin's opinions carry with his colleagues, but it might be worth quoting him to them and seeing what happens.

Thanks Innula, That's a very helpful quotation.

Absolutely! LL said time and time again if you used Adult keywords you would get a swap, letting your content dictate the terms you use, not "trying" to make it one or the other.

Dont give up!

*snarls at LL*

Hmmm I was denied......funyy I thought a free sex area with vendor space (unfourtunately empty at the moment) and with photorealistic nudity while being listed in search using adult terms would have been a shoe-in for a swap...and then to top it off I but in a club for live sex shows while asking people to donate 1L to play so it would be abit commerial.......all in all FAIL

They have something in mind they are not telling us.

I wish I could be happy for you, but I am so angry at LL that I can't be happy for anyone that gets to swap..I just think it is not fair.
Bt

It's not fair.

I understand not being happy for others. I was unsure I'd get it as I am a small land owner, I was imagining how I'd fee if I were turned down and I would have been bloody sunk. I have found the recent push of bdsm as sex crime and child avs deserving less rights to be horrifying in the face of the new rated mature, mainly the sense that others feel they can decide and execute how one lives and has sex and LL having no clear AR process to protect mature land owners from the whims of these judgmental intrusive extremists.

I think we need to keep pushing for every mature land owner to be given a swap or at least have the AR process reviewed and the original mature ratings reinstated.

This isn't just for people left on mature, it's for retailers in adult too, because if your products had anything to to with anything public or your customer base are to scared to have sex for fear of being ARed you won't have any customers.

I too hope you will appeal this one, on principle if nothing else.

There is no "extreme sex and violence" in SL; there are only *representations* of it. There is no sensible distinction to be made between representations in pixels and in words. But that merely makes evident the foolishness of the denial.

What makes it downright evil is the implicit requirement that you change your text. If LL is putting itself in the business of editing content--most especially *text* content--it will have a very dark future indeed.

I dont see any adult words in your store listing, since it shows up on the non-adult web search. The list of filtered words are here:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Adult_Content_Keywords
http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Adult_Content_Keywords

I would agree with that it is not including adult search words, that might be the reason

I see the word "bondage" in his land title.

So again, the point is not that people should or should not be "trying" to fit their title or description to the maturity rating, when in fact LL won't publish the list for the very same reasons, but kind of from the other side of the fence.

They don't want us to know so we won't "game" the system, and let the content dictate the words used. Yet here they are, Linden Labs, turning people down when they legitimately use them, not knowing the list.

Not sure if I explained that well.

We don't know what the words are, right? If LL doesn't release a list, then how are we to know? So if someone HAS one of those words in the land info, then there shouldn't be any reason to be turned down as the land owner felt that the word or words, arising from the content and his or her market, were necessary for sales.

Maybe that way was a little better.

To me it seems a situation of "Too bad Linden Labs, YOU are the ones not publishing the list, so if people describe their content using one of the filtered words, then they should, by your own rules, get a swap."

They want it BOTH ways, to tell YOU how your content and market should be described by making the judgment call to deny someone like this, yet won't tell you the list to aid in any decisions.

Hi
I understood that, and yes I see what you are saying, I don't really know anymore what is the criteria and what is not, or what the limitations are. It is a frustrating business for those still waiting, and time is moving on, when is the last day?, I take it that is for applications and then they just keep processing? How is yours going?

That's odd. It only appears with the adult box ticked with in world search.

If it's any help, I'm happy to put a couple of vendors at my shop/sandbox, for now, for people who missed out. I'm a small landowner so they'd have to be low primed sized ones.

Thats a nice offer Ian to make to people who have not go land. sounds like you are organised already, haha we are still wearing hardhats and muddy boots and keep changing the design to fit the terrain lol

Well I have the skybox shop/sandbox in the air, TP set up to it from the ground and ad made to get stuff listed. So yeh, kinda. I don't have much stuff to do being a small set up and all.

Alright so as I stated I was denied a land swap. I have decided to appeal with this letter:
I find it fantastic that you are stating I am not requiered to move with my given content! Just to be sure I would like you to reconsider and take these points in mind:

My parcel is public by me paying for it to be in search. In which the title that I have chosen and feel to be an accurate repsentation of my content contains adult only terms.

In my land description it staes I am also a free sex area. when asked if this is commericial blondin stated: [16:29] Blondin Linden: [16:29] Renzo Goodliffe: [16:03] Renzo Goodliffe: Are Non-Commercial Public Adult content or Services on Mainland are allowed to benefit from a Free swap to ZIndra too ? In particular, do Free Sex Public Clubs have the same rights for a swap than Escort Clubs? If not, how do you justify it ? ANSWER: How is a free sex public club not commericial? How do they get new memebers? (o7/o8/2009)

Also are you stating my pictures of photorealistic nudity in public found at 146,132,472 and 119,188,472 leonhard are just fine where they are at under new rules and I cannot be ARed for them?

or that my live sex club located at 117,181,472 leonhard is also fine where it stands and immune to being ARed even though kb 6010 states:

"The Adult designation applies to Second Life® Regions that host conduct or display content that is sexually explicit or intensely violent, or depicts illicit drug use. Any Region must be designated Adult and therefore require account verification, if it advertises or publicly promotes the following:
Expressly sexually themed content, spaces or activities (whether or not photo-realistic); we will broadly define what is "sexually themed" to include any sexually oriented activities and conduct"

Also perhaps all this does not make me *commercialized adult content * but my land description and title states "freerange escorting" since I am denied a swap can I still use this as a place for me and my freinds to escort? seeing how that is what it's advertised for. Or is escorting not commercialized?

If you don't mind responding to this with clear and detailed awnsers to assure me that my current content (the content which you inspected) is 100% above reproach by G-team and does not *Require* me to be moved to zindra and that is why I am denied a swap, that would be great.

And with that response stating I am not required to be on zindra may I have your notes as well as Porter linden's notes on what questionable content I have where so I may show the G-team this land has already been certified inspected and I can not be Banned or otherwise punished for the content

Thank you have a great day!
Gummo




Who want's to take bets on wether or not I get any clear awnsers?