New Zindra Blog Post

Jack's updated the information on Zindra with a little more information on the moves.

The most interesting item, to me, was this one:



So...for all the people worried that they won't get suitable land in the free, mandatory, swap...have they got a deal for you! Pay the private estate setup fees, and accept a 33% increase in your monthly tier!

[EDIT: No...worse than 33%...pay the tier for the ENTIRE region, $295...even if you only own 1/4 region now.]

So fair and reasonable...

yep, this what we should have seen coming.

How thoughtful and considerate!

YAY?

i reckon they will tell people with > 1/4 sim they are sol and have to move to an estate. and in true linden form a tier raping will follow in a few months.

The WIKI that the new post refers to still references the OLD TOS and CS, though there are links to the current one.

WHEN will they admit they banned all adult stuff on the Mainland (except in Zindra), with the new CS?

Or WHEN will they clarify and correct the TOS and CS to ensure that adult content used privately on the Mainland is not a clear violation of the TOS and CS?

That's not a change, the offer was made in the last round, in the KB page explaining how to file a move ticket.

coincidentally its a couple days until openspace reactivation closes. and guess what? im not reactivating, you greedy dogs.

OMG!!! A clear, unambiguous answer about child avatars! Someone restart my heart.

can't see a way to leave comments. I really want to ask them to clarify the policy for private residential mainland parcels.

This bit should stop a lot of the nastiness ...

9) Are child avatars allowed on Adult land? Child avatars are allowed on adult land as long as they are account verified like any other Resident. Those choosing to represent themselves with a child avatar do not represent a minor as the account holder. Not all adult land is going to be hosting adult content either. There is plenty of protected land on Zindra that will technically be adult but safe in terms of content. This however does not change any prior policies regarding child avatars. Sexual ageplay is not allowed anywhere on the grid, regardless of rating.

ETA: this from the Zindra wiki page (to which we are referred) ...

Adult Content is supposed to be stored either on Regions on the Zindra "continent" or on private Regions having the adult Region rating.

so adult content on mature estate not ok (?).

Sadly, I have my doubts about this stopping the nastiness. People like You-Know-Who will never give up their attacks and now will blame LL for giving in to the "perverts". I should do a happy dance because it says exactly what I and many others said from the start after this giant stink was started, but I can't...

They even included the word "Sexual"... Does this mean I get to stop using parentheses when I say (Sexual)ageplay? (^_^)

Another way to look at this:

LL: We'll pay you $L6.55/m2 for your mainland, if you own at least 1/4 region. You pay the difference between the value we place on your land and the setup fee for a private island. You will then own an entire private island, and will owe the usual $295/mo fee.

I'm strongly tempted to go into competition with this offer, and start selling shares in a privately-financed version of Zindra.

ok, well, it *should* help prevent *some* of the nastiness, then. It certainly vindicates one or two people who have had a rough time lately

It would of been nice to know this before I sold my almost complete mainland sim and bought an island...I got reamed twice, once on the selling of the land, and once for buying the island...

Damn you Lindens!

IF your meaning homestead and not openspace. Reactive it, I'll buy it off you.

Zindra is a unicorn.

The difference (I think) is that they're now offering to magically transport Mainland rezzed content to the new Estate sim, even if some of that content belongs to somebody else. (I don't remember that being offered before, but I could easily have missed it.)

They need to come up with some sort of entry level estate deal. I can't afford a proper estate, even a homestead is a bit moe than I am willing to spend, but I'd maybe go for something private for $100 a month or so, with a small set up fee. I'd even kick in for Premium. Maybe a bunch of 4096 or a bit larger islands could be created or something similar.

Yeah, that might have been more quiet last time, it looks from my pile of notes that the customer got that assurance through a direct talk.

OpenSpace, it's got a 750 prim limit for $75 a month.

Oh it most certainly won't stop anything. This is an incredible hot button issue, and no policy statement will make it go away.

I happen to be one of the people who thinks it unwise for anyone to even go anywhere *near* Zindra with a child avatar. Not because doing so is inherently evil; it's pretty clear to me that many people chose a kid form simply *to* avoid all the farcical sexual buffoonery that can characterise the grid at times.

Given a jury of true peers, most people in SL could easily make a clear call between truly scary child pedo's, and regular folks playing a role with *zero* interest in anything disgusting.

That said, a regular jury of SL illiterates in almost any country, shown some screen pics, is almost certainly not going to be able to make that kind of determination.


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Microparcel extortion was tolerated, nay, actively ignored and transactions upheld for the first five years of SL's existence and *very* lucrative. It would have been nothing for any of us to make an alt and cash in, cash in, cash in and then cash in some more. 99% of us didn't, but a few said "Why not? Why can't I? Not against the rules!" And it wasn't. People fought hard for 'the right' to keep going at it. It was a clear case of selfish interest over any and all consequences to others.

Same with the casino operators who fought hard to keep going, in spite of clear US laws. That issue was a clear case of "We need to get ours!", regardless of if it put the whole platform in jeopardy. Another clear case of self interest over any and all consquence to others.

Don't even get me started on the Ponzi banking stuff, either. I had Caledon residents lose their SL savings due to that one, enough that I had to help some tenants out ~ again, a 'right' which was really just a matter of deep self interest, damn the rest.

And what of this issue? Child avatars have always clearly, undeniably by anyone, been a 'hot button' issue. And they are fine in many, many contexts and as such, deserve to be vigorously defended in such roles. I've had Avatar Rights in my covenant for *years* that has done specifically that.

But add: "child avatars must be allowed in an areas now specifically designated for extreme stuff" and now we have a cause sliding toward damn~the~rest selfish. What would normally be a hot button issue on a good day, is now akin to riding a tricycle laden with plutonium and dynamite into a Pervistan minefield.

It is completely fair to ask: "What are the potential consequences to all the rest of us?"

Clearly we've had a tiny, tiny brush with consequences already. I can see many (most?) with child characters dealing with such boundaries carefully and sensibly in the future. For those willing to push the extreme boundary with a child form, I have to wonder: why?

It has an ickiness on par with men in the women's restroom ~ hey, it's all in stalls, right? Nothing to see here! Technically defined as the restroom but they are all just washing hands in *this* area, right? That's the vibe I get from the whole thing.

I personally see the current policy as a mistake, and one that will be changed when, not if, the issue explodes again in the media.

Nah, I won't be lobbying for policy changes (pointless) and I have no personal anger toward those that disagree with me. But at the same time I maintain a real thick tier reserve just because of policy mistakes like this one, and others. As a survivor of three and a half years of policy mistakes and their actual consequences, I deeply believe that when this one pops, it *will* blow a good sized hole in our grid economy.

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Possibly a few might take this personally; it is anything but that. Not my style. Differences of opinion are not the stuff that make or break friendships for me. I have both Republican and Democrat friends, for instance, without any dissonance. So long as everyone is principled and not simply 'out to get theirs' at least.

Likewise, I do speak my mind freely and civilly on issues that I think are relevant and important. This being the issue du jour that it is, I may not respond much so as not to 'elevate the drama' ~ which can become immediately harmful and hateful to certain totally innocent parties.

But don't you have to be a mainland owner of a certain amount or something to buy one?

However that is not the policy, that has never been the policy. Jack's post was pretty clear that child av's are not welcome in areas designated for extreme stuff but are welcome in areas where there is no adult content.

The danger here comes not from child av's, especially on a continent where you need some sort of account verification to enter, but from cheesed off adult av's who are angry with LL over this adult content policy and will put themselves in a sexual situation near a child av just to prove a point.

What puzzles me most about all this hoo-ha however is that the first settlers on Zindra will be migrating from existing mainland. I can't recall pleas to the Lindens to ban child av's from mature mainland, I haven't seen complaints all over the shop so why is this now an issue? The problem is politically motivated.

That's not to say that I don't think it can blow out of all proportion and fetch a lot of bad press, but the people who are going to be causing the problems are doing it out of spite.

Yep, you called it:

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