New Zindra Blog Post

It's already against the ToS to depict children in inappropriate environments.


The sim rating isn't even going to be visible to the non-SL person. The sim rating is one of those geeky SL things you're so dismissive of.

If that image is inappropriate, it doesn't matter what the sim rating is. It's just as inappropriate in a mature sim as in an adult sim. That image could happen in Nautilus instead of Zindra, and the people outside SL will be just as upset regardless of the geeky it-only-matters-to-SL-users sim rating.

This is about "kid toons in Zindra", not "kid toons in inappropriate settings". No matter what you claim and what tricks you and your cocksuited friends pull, that geeky nobody-outside-second-life-will-care-about "Adult" rating on the sim does not mean "this is an inappropriate setting".
That is not what Jack wrote.

And you know that.

You're making shit up again.

And you know you're making shit up again.

And if it upset you to have that pointed out.

That's your problem.

Not mine.

There goes the neighborhood!

Don't worry...



I'll protect you. =^-^=

Thanks, but I have it covered. Well... umm, er, kinda.

OMG! Proximity!!!!! XD

Wait... How about a 400 year old vampire in the shape of a child? (^_^)



(^,,^)

Please Proxima, Don a child avatar and come to my place, I will kick you out the second I see you, and I welcome you ARing me for it.

I tell you now I will kick/ban you because you look like a child, and welcome the AR that you will give me, in return I will AR you for being somewhere against TOS for a child avatar.

Your AR would be quashed, mine would stand. I know this because it's happened before

He did? Where? Blog, office hours, or elsewhere? Where's the pointer to exactly what he said?

Just that LL have announced child avs are fine says it all.

If they were ever going to put more control on child avs now would have been the time but instead they officially blog that child avs are fine and therefore aren't part of this sex and censorship Zindra issue for SL.

I think it's great.

One thing they'd allow on Zindra and not on any other part of the mainland is putting up giant pictures of real penises ejaculating several times onto someone's face. That's called bukkake. I mean... that picture can stay up 24 hours in Zindra... Ohhh I 'll set up a pg shop next to that...

This is where we go gray again. If this is the rule we are following TODAY - and a adult, gagged, chained slave is considered a 'sexualized graphic' then the child AV would be violating Community Standards just by standing next to the slave.
That's the spirit.
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Sidenote:
('Sexualized' is not a word - LL not only creates its own reality - they create their own dictionary. Like the LL definition of 'ageplay' that does not exist anywhere else).


And just because we do not agree does not mean some of you need to start getting aggressive - just have the debate or not. Thanks.
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https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/land/blog/2009/06/26/zindra-an-update

Specifically...

According to the Merriam Webster Online Dictionary, the word originated in 1839. Last I looked, neither Jack or Linden Labs are that old.

Main entry: Sexualize
Function: transitive verb
inflected form: sexualized
:to make sexual, :endow with a sexual character or cast

Question: Why did the Zindra bondage chicken put on a cloak?
Answer: So it could cross the road.




How about: LL will introduce surprise rules.

LL will define "Proximity" as wihin 2 meters
Nobody will be allowed to have 'sexualaised' content/behaviour within 2 meters of the parcel boundary.
Child avatar on protected land and 2.5 metres from hard core sex depiction? NO PROB!
3 metres? 4?

Or

Nobody will be allowed to have 'sexualised' content/behaviour that is viewable from protected land.


Or


LL will zone Zindra into areas where
1. AOPG - No sexualised content exists
2. AOM - No sexualised content is viewable from protected land
3. AOAOAO - Whatever


Child avatars are good to go in (1) and (2)
No sexualised behaviour/dress-code is allowed on protected land in (1) and (2) - and maybe even (3).

Oh not this again!

here are some simple facts:

i) child avatars and *sexual* content must not be mixed

ii) not all adult content is sexual

iii) not all sexual content is adult

iv) not all content on Zindra will be adult

v) a child avatar cannot be automatically detected as such i.e. you can't automatically prevent a child avatar from entering an area in the same way you can prevent unverified accounts etc. you can merely eject (if the land owner) or AR a child avatar if it enters an area it is not allowed into.

Matthew

aggressive definition

ag·gres·sive (ə gres′iv)

adjective

1. aggressing or inclined to aggress; starting fights or quarrels
2. ready or willing to take issue or engage in direct action; militant
3. full of enterprise and initiative; bold and active; pushing
4. Psychiatry of or involving aggression

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scratches her head thinking some people mistake aggression for defensive.

the only aggression that i can see that has happened is from people inciting others to go out and do harm to certain types of people and from bloggers and protesters and people making sound bytes full of made up lies.. using everything they can think of to achieve their goal and to make sure another censorship seed is planted..

on the defensive side i see people quoting the rules and defending freedoms within this system and seeing the bigger picture of what more censorship will bring along with seeing how wrong it is to handle things with online bully tactics..

the aggressive side is about to learn that if they draw too much attention to their hate march they will get the media attention they want and then we will all be out of a good thing..

if they haven't noticed..the politicians are looking real hard right now and the aggressive going out of the bounds of this system will get bites on their bloggs and images they are trying to drum up..then when they do we all won't have to worry about any adult content situation anymore..because there won't be anymore adult content to have a situation..

the plight for brownie points in the i am a do gooder club will have the barrel of a gun turned and pointed right at everyone on the grid..

yep doing what is best for everyone once again will end up taking away from everyone once again..

if they would pull the blinders off so they could see the bigger things going on around us they would see just how much harm they are going to do to themselves with their aggressive tactics..
if they can't see it then down the line they will learn it ..but it will end up being someone elses fault like always..

The child av cannot be in proximity of a sexual scene, that's the rule and you know it.



The new rules haven't kicked in yet, they can't, Zindra isn't even open to tickets let alone moves so what you describe can happen anywhere on mature mainland that has adult content and has been able to happen since 2006 with unverified accounts. Zindra requires account verification.



Adult content also involves violence, which a child av is not forbidden from taking part in any more than they are in video games. I'll assume you're only talking about sexual content and point you yet again to the fact that Zindra will not be a wall to wall orgy room, that nudity is already banned on some parcels in Zindra and will be banned on others and the fact that not all land owners in Zindra will want sexualised content on their land.

However you know this already.

If we have to facilitate child avatars to be in proximity to Adult violence, but not to be in proximity to Adult sex, then the solution is simple


Zindra is brand new from the ground up.
So make two continents. It's just a bunch of servers. Plonk them down on the Grid somwhere.
1. Continent where child avatars can be exposed to and take part in Adult non-sexual ultra violence
2. Continent that may include public Adult sexual content - where child avatars are banned by the CS.

LL say that they have a bunch of extra servers not yet online but prepared to expand Zindra as required. Just stick them on the grid as a separate cluster.

There is no need to automatically detect child avatars. They can detect themselves. If they, as adults in RL, decide to use a child avatar and go into the Adult sex continent, then they should expect to be perma-banned.


See? It's so simple.

The whole thing is also insane, but hey!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualization
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexualized
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sexualized
http://childabusemd.com/juvenile/juvenile-overview.shtml
http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/sexualization.html
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexualize


Several sites report the word as appearing around 1830.

LL is responsible for many things, good and not so good. I don't believe the word "sexualize" is one of them.

And neither is 'ageplay' - not in the sense they use it. LL uses it to take the place of child porn or pedophilia and ageplay is only a word used in BDSM and has nothing to do with child avatars.

But we digress.

Let's put the cards on the table: One of the anti-child-avatar activists will try to make this a media issue outside SL. They're barely bothering to veil the threats anymore. My hunch is that they've already tried, probably with multiple media outlets, unsuccessfully.

Because nobody gives a sh!t anymore.

Mostly because SL is such fishwrap at this point. SL is barely mentioned in most of the coverage of Conroy's Great Firewall of Oz caper. Grandstanding pol Kirk had to resort to incoherently frenzied rhetoric to get even a pro forma FTC investigation.

Sure, it would be nice if Second Life could get back some of that early, easy hype, but at this point it seems to repel publicity--even bad publicity. Having dropped this far in mindshare, for SL it's really true that "there is no such thing as bad publicity."

Even if that weren't true (and, in the minds of the activists, it's not), selling this as a big deal won't be easy. Nonetheless, eventually they'll succeed in getting some coverage by some media outlet beyond SL-dependent blogs.

Assuming Michael Jackson stays dead, there will eventually be a slow news day.

For those who are actually concerned about SL's public image, the responsible thing to do would be to devise the best counters to the "story" when it hits. It would not be to dream up ever more elaborate embellishments to the story. That would be the role of those anti-child-AV activists.

Is this a union job? Are there medical benefits?

No, it's a group of volunteer crackpots who think 1) they are not affected by the new rulings regarding adult content (blatantly false assumption, but trying to convince them that the sky really is blue is worse than talking to the wall), 2) they have a mandate to censor all the heathen perverts who don't agree with them, and 3) that rampant, unchecked censorship in Second Life is good for everybody.

They also have some friends in interesting places. A congressman named Kirk for example, who equates an online service exclusively for people aged 18 and over as a place where 13 year old kids can participate in rape fantasies anytime they want, with the blessing and active support of the people running said service.

It's a very sad group that you're better off not being a part of.

NOWHERE has Jack said that it's OK for the toon kid to stand next to the slave in Zindra if it's not OK for the toon kid to stand there anywhere else . Nowhere. You're making that up.

Lol, just point them to this forum.