New Zindra Blog Post

I would.

Zindra = Adult-Only.

LL screwed up bigtime by continuing to create mixed M/PG sims in new continents even after the whole age-verification thing came up.
If they had separated M and PG from day one, things would be * a lot* simpler. Even if they started doing that a year or two ago, it would still be a lot easier.
Continuing to be ambiguous about sensitive areas even after they have been forced into creating Zindra is just plain looney-toons.

Allowing child avatars to wander about in a designated Adult-Only environment is just offering hostages to people who are on the lookout for exactly that.
*Maybe* you can convince America's Fox-viewing public that Kirk's propaganda about kids freely engaging in sex/torture/snuff/assault-weapons within SL is self-serving vote gathering. Even if you can, all it will take is a few YouTubes of child avatars in an Adult environment directly managed by LL, and we are all screwed. Follow that with YouTubes of LL managers explaining that they approve of child avatars being in something called 'protected land' in that environment. Thank you and good night.

Sadly, I'm going to agree with this.

I want to qualify this statement, though. I see nothing wrong with Mari or anyone else visiting the place last week, when it was open and empty and featureless and there was no adult content there at all. She didn't do anything wrong, not a single thing. There was no reason to expect the reaction that followed, because that reaction was unreasonable.

But the events that have transpired, and the feelings that have been expressed, SINCE that time have convinced me to completely avoid Zindra, period. The -principle- that in theory there may be non-adult content on Zindra, and that there's no reason child avatars shouldn't be able to access such places, is sound in my opinion. The problem is the difference between the paper and the planet. Reality, in other words. I don't care if somebody there opens Fantastic McRadical's Totally Shiny Incredible PG Castle of Awesomeworldland For Kids, I'm not going to Zindra. That way I stay happy, Domina Tricks and her House of Pain stays happy, the Lindens that have to sift through volumes of frivolous AR's will be slightly less miserable, and nobody loses anything substantial.

I have to say that when I say the reaction start, I thought it was a little OTT.
It's possible that much of it was simply a handy stick with which to beat on LL in general. There would have been a goodly measure of antennas twitching as well though.
From a purely SL-internal POV, we all know that Mari is totally above board. That's not the big picture unfortunately.

I do think that we will have a lot more parcels with ban lines turned on. Likely that's why LL finally made a visibility option. Also, anyone selling security systems will likely make alot of sales.

It's a shame to have to look at things and not be able to have something nice out in the open simply because it also has a sex menu. There aren't enough G-Team members to deal with a CS that is about as clear as oatmeal. While LL might make vague policies to keep them from getting gamed, they don't seem to stop themselves from playing games when they see fit.

I bought mature land to do what I wanted, and also to not worry about prim limits etc as I was renting before. Private residential should still be allowed. Define a wall?

Then why was it OK at the Zindra opening?

Can someone point me to this page? I've never submitted a support ticket and don't even know where to go. I've got my parcels selected and I want to make sure I know where to go tomorrow to submit the move ticket...

If Mari, Imnotgoing and a few other child avatar people that 'influence' others would take this stance then this would be a non-issue. People being forced to give up their land have to deal with this assault on top of that. It is just salting the wounds of the Adult Community. Tensions are high, people's income are at stake and many of you, who have nothing to loose, want to invite the moral brigade in to shutter Adult Zindra before the end of the year. Don't be so selfish.

See at the top of this page where it says Support? (just under the Second Life logo?). Click that. When the support page opens, look on the right, where it says
submit a ticket (blue button).

Under "Ticket Type" choose Land and Region Issues
Under "Region Request" there should appear a new ticket type for Zindra moves (it's not there now, cause its not active till tomorrow, they do have one for questions, but that's not it)

Don't be surprised if the ticket system crashes around 10:01 SL tomorrow.

Nothing official, but the plans seem to be that scripts will be limited on a per-avatar basis for attachments, and something like per-area for parcels. (Don't know if double-prim == double-script density, too; it might make sense if it did.) So, while the wacky road-divider scripts might possibly affect overall sim script performance, they shouldn't encroach on any landowner's parcel script limit.
TBH, I'm not entirely sure that outdoor sex was officially permitted on Mature in the past, either. I've never seen anything official that says it wasn't, but there were stories of disciplinary actions from ARs filed by objecting neighbors. (Nothing substantiated though, AFAIK, as with all ARs.)
You do not speak for the "Adult Community" in this. For one, you do not speak for me.

I understand you want to impose restrictions on the ability to use that land to which you're being moved--to restrict it in a way that no other land on the grid is restricted. You do not get to do that to my land. Not without a fight.

If you go to the support page of the SL website, you will see a tab for submitting a ticket. There might be some difference as to what you see if you are concierge or not (pay $125 USD or not). Then it will open the ticket, just fill in the prompts. You want to select land/region issues. Right now it only has a choice of questions about Zindra/moving. Not sure if that will change to something like "Zindra parcel choices" or something tomorrow.

It won't let you file it unless you fill in the checked the knowledge base or not. It's also good to preview it and check for anything you might have forgotten.

Yeh, selfishness sucks, incomes and accounts are at stake.


Myself and others were asking the other day and you refused to answer maybe you can now, Lias, did you write that I have quoted above?

You already have restrictions forced on you about land use Qie. And child avatars are addressed in the community standards the way no other avatar in Second Life is restricted already. Your outrage is a little late.

Thanks Daniel and Melodie! I'm gonna go check it out right now!

How comes were AGAIN at this theme.
The last 2 threads where locked.

Well
IBTL here then too

Who said it was OK?

As far as I know, no one filed an AR on it. Hence there's no official ruling on that specific situation. That's the way the system works, in SL and in much of RL.

Furthermore, someone could file an AR on it tomorrow. LL could decide not to pursue it. That doesn't means it's ok or not ok; they're allowed to pick and choose. It's like the cop ignoring the people going 10mph over the limit, choosing just to pick those going 20mph. It doesn't make going 10mph legal, it means they have enforcement discretion.

I think the free land swap should be offered to anyone who has paid for it, that is all mature land owners.

The idea of having to have a box over my land is a bit like not owning it, as I own it now.

To Qie, yeh, I mean people don't do it on the steps of a shop, but there are outdoor sex places.

Lias, I'd be great if you'd answer, it's a serious question, did you write this:

Yeah, OK. So someone was wrong at the Zendra opening - the child AV or the nude woman - but the world will never know. And the debate continues.

Yeah, dow did that sex HUD parade go? Find a lot of child avatars to AR?

What? No? Aside from fewer than half a dozen who took up Linden Lab's invitation to come see the new continent, there aren't any child avatars in Zindra?

That child avatar invasion sure was a bust, wasn't it?

Yeah, Linden Lab threw in the towel and decided Zindra was now just a large sandbox - so child avs can frolic without worries.

Being a vampire child in a gory vampire sim perhaps.

As I stated up above -

the restriction on child avatars is for *sexual* content but not all adult content is sexual.

Any restriction on child avatars around graphic violent content would be a *new* restriction in SL, and would be a restriction over and above any RL restrictions on fictional depiction of children in violent situations.

Matthew

I'm not outraged at LL for restricting land use appropriately. I'm outraged at you, for begging them to restrict it inappropriately.

I applaud the (all too slow) restraints on abuses by landcutters, extortionists, and make-believe advertisers. Those misuses of Mainland gave it the reputation of undesirability that persists today.

It's a very different thing to uniquely limit the ability to use Adult land, to render it a single-purpose ghetto. Such restriction would destroy value rather than promote it.

Fortunately LL is not currently in the business of so diminishing the appeal of virtual land, as Jack made clear in the blog post.

That is simply not correct. Child avs can frolic in the non-sexual parts of Zindra just as they can frolic in the other non-sexual part of SL. They can't frolic in the sexual parts of Zindra.

Nothing has changed - child avatars are not permitted in sexual locations whether that location be Adult or Mature; child avatars are permitted in non-sexual locations whether that location be Adult or Mature; a child avatar in a sexual location can be ejected or ARs whether that location be Adult or Mature.

Matthew

You say this and then some say they CAN go to sexual areas as long no sex balls are out or actual sex is occurring. Some say a child AV can sit in the lobby of a brothel and some say they cannot be on the same sim with said brothel.

I have asked you at least 3 times Lias, please provide a link to a non SL or non game related news site that contained any news, more specifically outrage at kid AV's, about the Zindra opening. Can you do it?

Love that last sentence, it really means a lot coming from you.

That is not much of an issue either way as the owners of those parcels would likely prohibit child avatars in the first place.