New Zindra Blog Post

Answer the question, please. Don't be so rude to ignore all the people who ask you a very clear and easy to answer question. Or are you not at all interested anymore in your own creditibilty?

Nope.
All avatars are sanctioned, that are engaged in sexual ageplay.
It does not help to have an adult ava. If the adult ava has sexual interaction with a child ava, BOTH accounts vanish from SL. Being involved in sexual ageplay is sanctioned to all: adult, furry, child and robot avas.



Which would waste the Lindens' effords to make clear, that Zindra is NOT a huge heap of orgy rooms. They built a lot of free space there and provide many opportunities to do stuff there besides 24/7 sexual activity.

Many SL business people will move there, because A FEW of their stuff is adult, while they provide some nice stuff for little mice kids or even little human avatars. Why should they be punished by having to separate their business into several shops on differens sims?


About the adult parade (no matter if it's a real quote or not): performing sexual activity in the near of a child ava might possibly ban the child ava permanently, but will also ban the adult avas involved.

So the situation on Zindra is almost equivalent to what we have now (or had a year ago) on mature sims.

Yes, of course, there doesn't need to be. Linden Labs already has a zero tolerance policy for kid toons hanging out in dens of iniquity. AND YOU KNOW THIS.

They have. If the parcels have adult content in proximity to kid toons (and AS YOU KNOW PERFECTLY WELL that doesn't just mean within eyesight, and AS YOU KNOW PERFECTLY WELL, they have a broad definition of adult content) then the player behind the kid toons is in extreme danger of a permanent ban. There's already a zero tolerance policy for kid toons and adult CONTENT, but despite the similarity in spelling CONTENT and CONTINENT are not the same word.
You keep stating this and even trying to put words into Jack Linden's mouth as if he'd said this, but he hasn't and you know he hasn't, so why do you keep lying about it?

And the resulting policy was as draconian as you could possibly wish for. Instant bans for kid toons who push their way in where they're not wanted. You got the banhammer you're after, so why do you want more?
Another lie. That didn't happen at the opening, what happened at the opening was a completely different and obviously staged incident... one you admit was staged, by a friend of yours... and you know this.

Argent there is not anything to respond to in your post there - it is just a verbal temper tantrum screaming "lies, hater , mean lady". It may help you feel you have squashed the issue and that is nice for you. But the issue does remain valid for many people.
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People are asking, Lias, did you write this below?

Originally Posted by Feral Mistwalker
Gotta love it when "people" flat out admit they are going to file false abuse reports LOL

[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
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[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade

And from Chris Norse, asked a few times now, I assume in relation to your fear campaign.
Do you have any links?

I have asked you at least 3 times Lias, please provide a link to a non SL or non game related news site that contained any news, more specifically outrage at kid AV's, about the Zindra opening. Can you do it?

From what I understand the nude woman incident that happened the day after the opening party was at an infohub WHERE NUDETY IS NOT PERMITTED, can someone confirm this? because if it is indeed true then both incidents where the result of the adult avs rather the child avs lias keeps attacking.

And Lias, answer the question that has been asked of you over and over again, was the quote about staging sexual activety near child avatars in order to AR them from you or not?

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[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
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[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade
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Ian I will shut you down in this thread also - You decided you were tough enough to post a slew of obscenities at me and now you insist I speak to you - and as I told you several threads ago - I will not reward your bad behavior. I hope you don't use that language on anyone in your family.

These are the sort of lame excuses that Zindra has in store for it when these child avatars start slipping through the gray areas of the antiquated TOS written just so LL does not get into trouble with forces outside of SL. It i unwise for Linden Lab to advertise an adult continent and then make statements that child avatars can enter a parcel marked adult.[/QUOTE]

The whole of the Second Life main grid is marked "Adult", you have to be 18 to legally enter.

Sorry for OT post.

Hi Lias,
sorry, I am not a native English speaker. But you blamed Ian for language that he should not use ... in his family.
As I don't see anything foul in his language.

Here is, what he wrote:


Would you be so kind and tell a non native speaker, what there is wrong in the usage of those words?

*You* will shut down the me on the thread, lol, fine no problems, thing is you do talk to me Lias, you've IM me and you said Hi to me in the Australia thread both way after I was rude to you.

Also I apoligised for calling you a Mr Hanky and asking you to just bash yourself instead of others. I know it was rude. You've since spoken to me, so why not answer my question?

I'm just asking a straight forward question, it's actually an important one too.

Did you write this below?

Originally Posted by Feral Mistwalker
Gotta love it when "people" flat out admit they are going to file false abuse reports LOL

[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
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[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade

And from Chris Norse, asked a few times now, I assume in relation to your fear campaign

I have asked you at least 3 times Lias, please provide a link to a non SL or non game related news site that contained any news, more specifically outrage at kid AV's, about the Zindra opening. Can you do it?

Lias stop sidestepping, answer the question that has been asked of you over and over again, was the quote about staging sexual activety near child avatars in order to AR them from you or not?

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[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
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[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade
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No "lame excuses" there. A nude avatar on Linden land anywhere on the grid is a Community Standards violation. Period. Nothing remotely "gray area" about it. Linden land is as restrictive as PG, regardless of the region rating. And there's a damned good reason for that: Everyone, including someone with PG sensibilities, is to be welcomed and comfortable with the surroundings on any Linden land, including that on Zindra.

This universal access is far from "antiquated" and is a much more compelling consideration than some hypothetical hype about compromising situations contrived to demonize child avatars.

You realy have a bad memory, parcels are not marked adult, regions are marked adult meaning adult content is permitted on parcels that don't state otherwise and the infohubs clearly state no nudety, this was the case in the old TOS/CS and still is the case in the new TOS/CS

You can't defend further restrictions on an avatar type because others break the rules, that is punishing the innocent for behavior of the people that disregard the rules.
What's next? ban child avs from mature land because someone might walk around nude there and then PG land for the same reason?

Also answer the question that has been asked of you over and over again, was the quote about staging sexual activety near child avatars in order to AR them from you or not?

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[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
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[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade
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This is not a lame excuse. The *land owner* sets what is permitted on the land. The land rating merely sets the boundaries to what the *land owner* can permit.

If say a BDSM store owner (who has to be in Zindra due to the type of content he/she sells) wishes that the store has a strict no nudity policy, then he/she is perfectly entitled to do so. If someone does show up nude/naked then they can expect to be ejected, banned from the land or ARed. (in this particular example, a child avatar is also unlikely to be welcome either).

In the example you quote, the landowner was Linden Labs who had clearly indicated a no nudity policy. Anyone showing up nude there must be prepared to be ARed (and potentially banned). If you have a naked adult standing next to a child avatar at a Zindra Infohub (with a clearly visible Linden no nudity sign) then the naked adult is clearly in the wrong. If on the other hand the naked adult and child avatar were in a sex room, then it would be either the other way.

You can still be arrested for indecent behaviour in a red light district!

Matthew

I usually avoid that fuss, for obivous reasons.

But now they got me curious.

[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
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[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade


Was that really you Lias?

Feel free- just be prepared to get ARed if that parade goes through public Linden areas, Infohubs, or Adult stores that although they sell sexual content, ban nudity and sexual behaviour in the store.

Matthew

Little correction Matt. In this case, both accounts would receive the same disciplinary action, if they would be in sexual interaction.
You are definitely right, when the adult ava is in that room and the child ava enters and does not leave immediately.

I have witnessed a Linden G-Team action, where adult avas performed sexual activity in front of a child ava group. First the adult avas vanished and could no longer be found in search, then the child avas were tpd home (maybe as a warning) and those who returned and continued to ask for sexual ageplay were banned too.
This makes me think of the still not yet confirmed adult parade plan. Would definitely help to get rid of those accounts.

Lias, Lias, Lias. You still don't understand. People are hammering on you trying to get you to wake up and think. Think. Think. Think. You are an adult with a brain, right? Engage it. Use it. Think. Your constant refusal to do so is an idiotic course of action.

And by the way, I'm going to join the chorus here. Did you or did you not advocate the following?

[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
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[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade



Rational thinking adults want to know!

It is all about context again. Let us take an example of a lounge at ground level which is completely PG content, and above it a sex oriented skybox, and consider a child avatar in the lounge.

This might be a family home - with the skybox for the adult avatars to have fun in. A child avatar in the lounge would be entirely within the rules and not inappropriate.

On the other hand this might be a public brothel, the lounge being for the escorts to tout for business. Now, technically, a child avatar in the lounge (unless soliciting) would not be guilty of sexual ageplay per se, but would be inappropriate. Most child avatars would not enter such a place, or would move on quickly on realising or if requested to. If the child avatar persists then it would be excessive to AR him/her on the basis of sexual ageplay but entirely appropriate to get the landowner to eject and ban them or failing that ARing on the basis of inappropriate behaviour (likewise a permaban would be an excessive punishment, whilst a warning would be more appropriate in this case - unless the child avatar made a habit of this).

That said, the brothel might be in a private serious RP sim (admittedly this would be almost certainly on a private sim not in Zindra), and the child avatar is RPing the illegitimate daughter of one of the escorts. This is clearly RPing close to the edge, but if the other RPers were happy about this, no rules are being broken and the child avatar being in the PG parts of the brothel is not (necessarily) inappropriate.

There are no simple black and white rules such as a child avatar must not be within 20m of a sexual animation etc. nor does it depend on whether you can engineered a seemingly compromisation snapshot. It depends on the circumstances - just as in RL.

Matthew

Lias:

Oh, a response.

OK, why don't you respond to the hundreds of other posts making the same points in terms as gentle and kind and self-actualizing as you could possibly wish for?

There are no grey areas. Kid toons are not allowed in proximity to adult content and activities.

There are no parcels marked adult.

I think the silence speaks volumes.

I don't claim to be particularly rational or even adult here, but perhaps it is time to leave this sad , bitter person alone to wallow in her pit of anger and hatred. Stop engaging her, it is of no value anymore.