New Zindra Blog Post

Milla it is THE issue. And some wonder why Linden Lab would write policy that would allow such a thing. No one expects you to have the answer to that. But we do need Linden Lab to have the answer to that.

The issue is false and malicious AR's,


Until you at least answer the question people are asking of you, did you write that above, how can you even comment on anything else.

Also Chris Norse asked for some links, on some of your claims.

LL has the answer you just don't like that answer, judging from your reactions you want kid avs to be outside of fly range because you have stated that you think it an outrage that there is adult content and child friendly private recidence on the same private region.

that last one is selfish of your part, you want to force people who pay 100 usd per month more in tier on a full sim to dish out another 1000 usd setup costs and 295 usd tier so that can seperate adult and non adult content just so your parania does not get triggered.

Linden Lab has answered the question with the current TOS and CS.

If there is no sexual content in a parcel, it can hardly be described as a "sexual area".

If someone would like to test the G-Team's sense of humor with a child avatar in the lobby of a whorehouse, go right ahead. I'm betting they don't have much of one about that. I'm sure the whorehouse owner will also eject and ban the child avatar. Exactly the same as if it happened in a Mature region now.

I'm Gorean,and no, I don't take it as a Slam, It's Just the way it Is on the Gor Sims (Though Not for Legal or Moral Reasons). Goreans don't allow "Non Human" Avatars for the Most part because it's Not within Gor Mythos, and they are trying to maintain a level of Authenticity within thier RP (And i have No intention of entering into the discussion of thier On Line accuracy here). Child Avies are Not allowed, even though there ARE children in the Gor Novels because the ways of Gor are hard and sometimes cruel, and even though 95% of the sexual activities that Carry on do so in the form of Private IMs It is still Implied rather strongly, and No, Children Don't need to be a Part of that. We ARE Fully aware that these people are (In the Main) Adults RPing children, But still we are Not comfortable with having them there so, they are banned. We have enough Issues of our own to Contend with, We don't Really need to add the Implications, right or wrong, of Children Taking part in our Venues.

There is the perspective of ONE Gorean for you.

The Gor Sims, are Privately Owned islands. TOS allows Private Land Owners (Not Just Goreans but ALL) to Ban people For Cause, or no Reason at all.
~"I don't like your Tie" Boot/Ban.
I was Banned from One Gor Sim because the Administrator didn't like my Eyes.
The Only reason a land owner NEEDS to give someone they have Banned is ",,Because i don't want you here.", and Linden Lab Agrees with this So,No, those Hoping to AR Over a land Ban don't have much hope Unless, as Qie points out, the Ban is accompanied by some form of Dispariging racial Remark. In Zindra it will be No Different. No one,, Child avie or Not Has a Right to be on Private land IF the owner doesn't desire your presence.

As for the REST of Zindra, Jerboa Haystack thoughfully provided us with LL's Official stance on that


(Here's Hoping someone Was successful in Restarting Jerboa's heart)

I want to bring out One point here for Emphasis as many seem to be Missing it;


In this, Zindra will be NO DIFFERENT from the Main Grid as it stands right now. Not everywhere you Visit will have Graphic, or even Implied sexual, or Violent Content.
So,, why Wouldn't a Player in a Child Avie (Age verified of course) Be allowed in a shopping Mall, a Park, or a dance Club if No sexual content is present?

All adult content will be Moved to Zindra, But it doesn't Logicly follow that ALL Zindra will be Adult Content.

All in, it seems to be Covered as well as it's ever going to be. LL Can't really Reasonably go any Farther without creating a set of rules or standards that would make life in LL Impossible for Many simply by being to Broad, sweeping or Vague.

Angel.

This has been answered by LL.



Likely, someone who goes to stand naked next to a kid avi and AR it would also put themselves at risk. LL has already said that child avis are not allowed in proximity to sexual objects, graphics or scripts.



Both policies answer the question. Raising concerns is one thing. Sensationalistic tripe in locked thread after locked thread is just trolling.



Looks like you succinctly put the issue to rest quite awhile ago.

Linden Labs policy does not allow kid toons in whorehouses. YOU KNOW THIS ALREADY. Quit making stuff up.

It didn't happen at the Zindra opening. The only thing that happened at the Zindra opening is your friend with the cock suit rezzed it long enough to snap a photo but not long enough for someone standing right next to him... me, for example... to notice it. That's not an incident, that's fraud.
There was no nude woman at the Zindra opening. There was a nude women at a Zindra infohub on another occasion. She was in an area that had a posted sign indicating that nudity was not allowed in that area. There is no question who was wrong.

Lias, Dakota is one of the more influential people in the community you're attacking. If you don't know that, you simply don't know enough to be competant to discuss the topic.

Oh, and "some say"? That's such a cop-out. Classic insinuendo.

There was no nude woman at the Zindra opening. There was a nude women at a Zindra infohub on another occasion. She was in an area that had a posted sign indicating that nudity was not allowed in that area. There is no question who was wrong.

/me starts knitting a ferrit-sized sweater that reads "Don't feed the trolls" which will hopefully be ready in time for the holidays. Er.. 6 legs, right?

It is all about context - there isn't a blanket black and white ban on say child avatars next to a piece of furniture with a sex pose in it. Consider the following two scenarios:

i) a perfectly normal SL family living room which is entirely PG, except the sofa has a sex pose amongst its animations in its pose ball

ii) a SM sex room with SM furniture and pornography on the walls.

A child avatar in both cases would be a child avatar in proximity to furniture with sex poses but a child avatar in (i) would not be out of place, whereas in (ii) it would be.

Likewise with the brothel - is the child avatar just passing by, or is it chatting up the escorts?

Matthew

Another Issue with those contemplating fraudulent ARs as a means of getting thier point across, The good people at LL aren't of subnormal intelligence, and those making false ARs will soon find themselves suspended or banned for harassment. It's happened before, a suspension handed to a person making false ARs against a Gorean community, and the miscreant was quite shocked that he was the one being punished.
Of course people who are likely to choose such a foolish action are not likely to respond to a cautionary tale such as this but i thought in all fairness i should mention it anyway.

Angel.

That is a good answer Matthew - thank you for making the effort without cutting and pasting Linden Vague policy. But the Linden Policy then allows a child avatar to enter a brothel as long as they do not participate in sex there. And that is the core of the issue. And it remains a Linden Issue since the 2007 child sex scandal forced them to put restrictions on child avatars (something they have not done for any other type of avatar ever). Now with Zindra - these restrictions need to address the Adult Content there. Sadly, LL failed in addressing the issue and it will go from bad for worse for all of us because of this.

The policy seems clear to everyone else.

The CS prohibits child avatars from being around sexual content. That would effectively prohibit them from entering a brothel. Unless it's an extremely lame brothel.

No the situation is going to be vastly improved, the complaints previously have not just been about child av's, they've also been about people underage being behind the av's.

Paedophiles aren't going to go to the account verified continent to indulge themselves, they'll stay well away.

Other av's who want to cause a rumpus will be doing so on account verified land where they risk being permabanned for their silliness so again, it should cut down on that too.

This is a step forward not a step back.

...and the way the adult content plan has been managed?

Yes. Because it is clear to anybody who, regardless of where they stand on any of the sub-issues, is interested in understanding.

/me again declares that trolls should not be fed. If you don't feed them, they will go away.

Has been a pile of pants, i've told both Jack and Blondin that they could have sold this concept to people. Neither seem to believe me that people would have wanted to move to such a continent voluntarily but I'm sure plenty would have and once they got the ball rolling the concept would have snowballed.

It's the forced moves, the silly deadlines and the almighty rush that has left the whole plan full of so many holes.

*discussing* child avatars with certain people, is like debating with:

As a customer of adult places, it does get confusing and hard to follow some of the exacts of what is going on. Likely there are still folks who have no idea such a move is upcoming. While LL's tactics etc blow on multiple levels, there really is a need to do something more proactive in the time left.

Grid hunts have been overdone, but one reason I did the Scarlet Letter hunt was to find adult content providers that I might otherwise miss in the upcoming shuffle. Regretfully I missed The Forum Cartel home tour, but a similar prOn tour might help.

Possible themes could include "Last Days of Pompeii", "The Fall of Rome", "Sodom and Gomorrah" etc. I don't mean those examples as knocks against anyone, but once the moves are finished it will be a very very different SL for everyone. It won't be possible on mature mainland to wake up to a strip club where there was a bookstore previously.

What will be possible is to tour current mainland, discover new stores, clubs etc. The owners of such places still need to make an income to cover their tier, pay employees and so on. It would also give an opportunity to meet and greet people, talk about the effect the move has on that location, what types of places to hope to be moved to (city or country in Zindra, private estate etc). Not sure if sales or freebies should be part of it as these places have enough hardships. But it would give customers a chance to see what is around, that hopefully won't be lost and sample new places. It would be helpful in publicity for the owners, and also have a ready audience joining store groups, and subscribo-matics to help get new landmarks too.

I'm not completely clear on exactly when everything would be officially separated but it would give adult places awaiting their swaps a little publicity and hopefully some income when they are needing it.

I didn't know somebody had poked LL on trying to sell this to residents. As I've said many, many times: it's not really the plan that I hate so much, it's the way they're going about it. Anyway, TY for trying, Ciaran.

Not sure I would have called it a 'pile of pants' but close enough.

Don't be silly. Nobody's planning any "child avatar invasion"! Sheesh.




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