New Zindra Blog Post

I'll take that bet Desmond on the proviso that the actual story links child avatars to the extreme area rather than mentions them in the same article in a smoke and mirrors attempt to try and give the story any credence

Not really, a sim or even a parcel owner can ban / eject WHOEVER they like for almost WHATEVER reason they deem fit: child avatars, dommes & subs, furries, blondes, robots, you name it! Just keep sexism and racism out of it, since those are AR-able offenses.
Especially if they advertised avatars with specific properties to be *unwelcome* on their premisses, there's nothing one can do about it. Put it in the land description (yes, that stuff that's shown on the search screen as well), and people have been warned. They can AR as much as they like, and nothing will be done. However, if they continuously try to get in, even after being explained, ejected or even banned, you can simply file an AR against THEM, and they will risk a temp ban for harrassment.

Jack doesn't "own" the Adult Content wiki page.

Could you put back my content that you removed, though? You've broken a lot of links like http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Nudity_in_Mature_Regions.

This is what it boils down to. Were LL to ban child avs on protected land, it would be a nightmare to enforce. They have stated what their policy is regarding their land. Beyond that, it is up to the responsibility of the individual parcel owners.

The argument to ban child avis is being browbeat into the rest of the SL Community by those who won't rest until child avis are banned from any land rated higher than PG. Whether they use their penis puppet boyfriend or general sensationalistic scare tactics, the only place such things should fall is on deaf ears.

True.
there are some landowners or business owners that have a bad attitude.

You have this backwards. It's the distinction you're making that people outside of SL won't get:

1. Media gets hold of picture
2. LL issues press release saying that it was a violation of the rules, and the people have been banned. Child avs are never permitted in sexual situations. (End of issue for most people.)
3. Someone says, "But wait, doesn't your own post say child avs are allowed there?"
4. LL responds: As long as there's no sex involved, why wouldn't the child avs be allowed there? But if sex is involved, child avs aren't - anywhere on SL (End of issue for everyone - except perhaps you.)
5. For good measure, LL releases a brief animation of a Halloween party on Zindra, showing adult avs, child avs, dragon avs, demon avs, hockey goalies with chainsaws, grim reapers with axes, humorous blood and gore everyone, caption reading "an example of some of the many things that take place on Zindra."

LL's position is easier for non SL people to get than yours. They say simply child av + sex = prohibited. It's that simple, and everyone in and out of SL gets it. It's things like continent/region/parcel names and ratings that people won't understand, and won't care about. People care about what's actually happening, not some subtle rating system.

You are obviously not a roleplayer, your comments elsewhere about role play indicate that you have absolutely no understanding of what it means to stay in character. The only point to being in SL at all, for many people, is the character.

I'm not that immersionist a role-player. I'll talk about my RL and my job when I'm wandering around as Argent Stonecutter, BUT... I don't have a human avatar. At all. The only primate avatar I even have is a lemur. If a Gorean area says I have to be human to enter it, I won't enter it at all. There's no point in going, because _Argent Stonecutter_ can't go. _Argent Stonecutter_ is not a human.

But that's OK, because a Gorean area that has that is a themed area. I don't fit in the theme.

Zindra is not a themed area. It's an area that ALLOWS certain themes that are not permitted in the rest of the Mainland, but that doesn't mean that it's a sexually themed region, or a violently themed region. That is a HUGE difference.


Linden Labs totally bans anything resembling child porn, even stuff that doesn't qualify as child porn under the PROTECT act *or* COPA. Kid toons in sexual areas get instabanned. They have zero tolerance for that stuff.

Kid Toons in *non-sexual* areas, not engaging in sexual conduct, even in Zindra, aren't "child porn" even under the most relaxed definition of the term. The only way you can make it look like child porn is to stage a shot (like the one that your friend in the cock suit staged), and that's just as fake whether it happens in Zindra or not. You don't need kid toons in Zindra to make that happen, and any assertions to the contrary are just muddying the waters.

Why? I'm allowed to set up a sim that says "no humans, no werewolves, no kids, cubs, fawns, or pups, no elves, no dorsai, no klingons, ferengi, vulcans or romulans, adult cartoon animals only". There's at least one sim that only allows four-legged animals... even two-legged furries are banned. No kid toons is no problem.

People outside of SL generally do not get SL - period. The only image many outsiders have of SL is that of a crooked, corrupt online brothel where people of every kink come to meet. This is entirely due to sensationalist media reports on slow news days. The absence or presence of child avatars does not change this fact. To the outsider, people who participate in SL are dirty perverts. This is the logic driving the movement going on in Australian government, not four-foot-tall age-verified avatars having access to adult-classed land.

But Jack said it is NOT against the rules. No one is talking about photographs of pedophilia in Zindra. Just photos of Little Bobby walking past a chained gagged slave on a leash in front of a escort lounge. Jack's explanation: that is a OK depiction of a eight year old child wandering alone on an Adult Continent and completely allowed within SL. It is not going to go over well - I assure you.
Yeah, ok
You left out the gagged sex slave chained to their master for Halloween in Zindra - Nice edit though.
OK

Lias you're full of it, I'm sorry but the sexual ageplay policy is clear to everyone without a hidden agenda.

Jack said nothing changes with regard to that.

This isn't about kid toons in inappropriate environments. This is about the point that no matter how much you argue otherwise what makes an environment inappropriate is the content in it, not the rating of the sim. That scene is no more nor less inappropriate in a Mature sim, and no more or less legal under the ToS in a mature sim. Whether it's happening in Zindra or Nautilus is completely irrelevant.

Yes it is.

This is about the point that no matter how much you argue otherwise what makes an environment inappropriate is the content in it, not the rating of the sim. That scene is no more nor less inappropriate in a Mature sim, and no more or less legal under the ToS in a mature sim. Whether it's happening in Zindra or Nautilus is completely irrelevant.

Parcel content is the issue, not continent rating. You're obviously anti child av's and are trying desperately to get them banned.

huh?
This is about (and Desmond tried in vain to also explain it) The perceptions outside SL of how we portray children and the inappropriate environments we depict children in. You can have your TOS and 'sim ratings' and God Jack's statement from the Lindens - The average non-SL person surfing the net seeing a picture of Little Billy in a place marked ADULT with a adult avatar half nude with a gag ball in it's mouth is not going to easily dismiss that image as something acceptable to them. And those images, once again, will be used to paint SL in a negative light.

If I was one of LL's VC's... I would be sweating it right about now and looking for a fast way out

The average non-sl person will not see little Billy in any such scenario, and as you know damn well that wasn't the sort of scenario Jack was talking about. The scenario you describe breaks the rules of the sexual ageplay policy, the scenario you describe could happen on any mature parcel today with adult content so stop the smoke and mirrors and trying to use Desmond as a shield and just get on with your anti child av campaign, you're deliberately trying to muddy clear waters.

And it is not the scenario that Jack, Linden Lab or anyone in a child avatar is willing create policy around to show the Real World that LL and its customer base care about depictions of child avatars in innappropriate areas. 'As long as the child avatar does not have sex with the chained gagged slave it is OK that they be in the same area together'. And I say rubbish to that.
A child avatar cannot stand next to a chained slave in Zindra? That is against the rules? They are not even touching - so why now is it against the rule Jack put in place?
But the adult content I described is not allowed on Mature parcels any longer. I was at the Blondin meeting when he said that chained slaves are NOT allowed in mature and PG areas. So this scenario is not approved on Mature land by Linden Lab.
Why do you consider Desmond a shield - when he posed the same cautionary tale? I have been here since 2005 and have never said anything about child AVs, or Goreans, furries, nekos or dragons. I believe that depicting children in certain situations is a bad 'hobby' and will not end well.

A child avatar 'innocently' standing in the Adult Continent of Zindra when Adult content happens around him will cause everyone in SL trouble from outside of SL.

I know that Linden Lab will not do anything about this policy until forced to do so (see gambling, copybot protests etc.) And some agree that as things stand that day of forced change is not far in the future.

If the perception resulting from someone seeing a child avatar near a slave girl is enough to send the press and public into conniptions, it's probably best to do away with Adult Content entirely.

Wait until they see the Stepford 4th of July Bar-b-que.

Not 'if'. When.

The rule that's been in effect for a +18 months now is..

Why are people still jumping up and down about a kid avatar in a region that _can_ be adult if this rule is not being broken? They're already not allowed to even be near the naughty stuff, let alone use it.

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2007/11/14/clarification-of-policy-disallowing-ageplay

i think it must be a good workout or something..how many reps can yew dew

Done almost a year ago...


Next? (^_^)

It's already against the ToS to depict children in inappropriate environments.


The sim rating isn't even going to be visible to the non-SL person. The sim rating is one of those geeky SL things you're so dismissive of.

If that image is inappropriate, it doesn't matter what the sim rating is. It's just as inappropriate in a mature sim as in an adult sim. That image could happen in Nautilus instead of Zindra, and the people outside SL will be just as upset regardless of the geeky it-only-matters-to-SL-users sim rating.

This is about "kid toons in Zindra", not "kid toons in inappropriate settings". No matter what you claim and what tricks you and your cocksuited friends pull, that geeky nobody-outside-second-life-will-care-about "Adult" rating on the sim does not mean "this is an inappropriate setting".