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BTW...thanks for my new Forum Avatar

The phrase "We'll be on EASY street..." keeps going through my mind and creeping me out.

Would you rather I used this one?:

whats her name again?

I can't remember. I think I knew it 15 minutes ago ..

Some feel that if a sex bed or sex ball is not visible then they can be in a parcel marked brothel, BDSM or Escort Lounge while they are role playing in child avatars. Because the rules surrounding child avatars say that sex balls or activity must be visible or the child AV can stay.
No, the only time LL was forced to add an avatar type to their TOS and CS was when CHILD AVATARS were complained about in the real world.
No one is getting permabanned by interpreting the rules around child avatars as you do and doing as they feel they have the right to in Zindra. Sadly, they have the right to go to a parcel marked 'Brothel' and as long as there is no visible sexual activity in the lobby of that brothel that child avatar is not breaking current rules by being in the lobby of a brothel OR in a a area of Zindra that is just populated by business' meant only for Adult Avatars.

Linden Lab had to add restraints to child avatars in the TOS and CS (the ONLY AVATAR mentioned by name in the TOS with special rules) because many of the people that wear child avatars in SL do not seem capable of not inadvertently depicting children in unacceptable surroundings.
The old Mature rules do not address Zindra for these people (not to the point where a effective firewall is put up between them and the Adult Parcels).
Once enough of these new internet content crusaders use pictures of child avatars in SL walking through known Adult Content areas LL will be forced to pretend they care one again.

You mean like the guy in the penis suit and the lady who stripped naked? Those sort of internet content crusaders?

I know it has escaped your attention but Zindra isn't open yet, the tickets haven't been submitted so everything you are so worried about can happen right this very minute with accounts who aren't account verified. The risk of bad publicity is far far far far far greater now than it will be when Zindra is open.

Perhaps you missed the announcement of the new Terms of Service - the one that expressly prohibits *any* adult activity on non-adult land.

This means that, if one strictly follows the letter of the new TOS, things that residents have typically done in the privacy of their own bedrooms in mature residential areas will now be forbidden and AR'able.

This means that anyone who owns or rents a residential parcel on mature land right now will likely move to Zindra to preserve the freedoms that he or she paid for in the original purchase of the mature parcel. In other words, conditions in the TOS are such that will cause a mass exodus of mature residential land to either Zindra or other adult-flagged private regions.

And a lot of these residents will either have child avatars living in them, or will have avatars who are friends with child avatars, and so on.

Ummm.... Threw in *what* towel, exactly? By my best interpretation of the Community Standards, the restrictions already in place on child avatars - restrictions that have been in place for years - have NOT been relaxed.

Child avatars are allowed anywhere where explicit sexual content or actions are not present. If you can't accept this fact, then perhaps you need to reconsider your involvement with SL.

Your continued incoherent arguments against child avatars really amount to nothing more than a childish temper-tantrum about not having gotten your way on the issue of child avatars. Further, your campaign to set up child avatars to be falsely AR'd is morally and ethically repugnant and reprehensible.

The ink has already dried on the page of the rulebook pertaining to child avatars. Deal with it and leave the child avatars at peace, or leave.

The ink is not dry Kat - there was no ink on this subject until the child avatar scandal forced LL to address the issue two years ago. Now they new issue surrounding child avatars and adult content dictates that the Lindens look at that policy again and adjust it to fit Zindra. You deal with that.

This again?

I don't know what's not clear about this; it seems pretty specific to me: If a piece of furniture that happens to have sex pose scripts in it looks and functions just like a normal, non-sexual piece of furniture when the poses are inactive, then there is no sexual context that can be established by a kid being nearby.

On the other hand, if a child avatar is on a property whose name, description, function, or appearance is CLEARLY sexual (using your brothel example here), then that child avatar is subject to administrative action. I don't see where the ambiguity is here.

Now, if you can quit resorting to using weasel words such as "some feel" in your arguments, specifically cited your sources, and stuck to established facts instead of going off on fictional tangents, your arguments *might* have some credibility.

She understands all of this. She just wants to keep her pet agenda on page 1. Don't give in to it...

What "new issue"? What *exactly* has changed? Please explain this, and explain exactly what policy was adjusted to fit Zindra.

Still asking you Lias, did you write this below, the constant no answer is a loud comment too.

Originally Posted by Feral Mistwalker
Gotta love it when "people" flat out admit they are going to file false abuse reports LOL

[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
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[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade

And from Chris Norse, asked a few times now, I assume in relation to your fear campaign

I have asked you at least 3 times Lias, please provide a link to a non SL or non game related news site that contained any news, more specifically outrage at kid AV's, about the Zindra opening. Can you do it?

The original issue that had Child avatars listed in the CS was the 2007 depiction of child sex. Now with Zindraa being advertised as the Adult Continent we would like Linden Lab to address child avatars in Adult Content parcels in Zindra. The current rules state that if the adult content on the parcel is not visible to the child avatar then they can stay. This means a child avatar can enter a facility clearly marked 'BDSM Castle" and just because the bondage sex devices are below him - he can stay and hang out. This gray area will cause trouble for Zindra. You may throw sloppy insults at me, or say it is a non-issue or it will not effect anything - but history does not agree with you. Child Avatars caused issues in 2007 and then again at the premiere of Zindra (the child avatar in question said he saw the nude woman but was too lazy to change form or leave). So this non-issue will forceable effect Linden Lab's policies once again. And very soon. We hope that the Adult Continent community does no suffer anymore because of it.

"We"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

And you still haven't explain what exactly has changed in the policy governing child avatars.

Kat - the point of all of these conversations is that there has not been any policy change regarding child avatars at all - and we want some to make sure they do NOT enter Zindra Adult sims using the excuse that we were not having sex on the lawn so there was no sexual content in sight.
I say 'we' because, if you had been following the issue, there is more than one person posting in forums that want some rules in place to assure us that child avatar people do not enter Adult Zindra for any reason.
And yes, I have a mouse in my pocket.

Apparently it wasn't the child avatars but the people with axes to grind causing the fuss. So, in all fairness, it ought to the axe-wielders who have sanctions put on them, not anyone else.

Maybe false ARs and deliberate attempts to incriminate other avs ought to be a severely punishable offence, spelled out in ToS or CS (if it isn't already?) It is certainly harrassment anyway.

What say you, Lias?

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Aes

There is no new issue, as Argent keeps saying "You're making that up". The first settlers on Zindra are coming from existing mainland, they are here now, the scenarios you describe can happen now without any need of account verification.

You seem to want to claim Zindra for the sex industry, that's not going to happen. Zindra will not be a wall to wall orgy room.

The new issue is the classification of Adult Ciaran. Lindne Lab made that up. And we would like a better response to this mew classification when it comes to child avatars accessing Adult Content in Zindra. The current TOS does not effectively address this or this would not be a multi-thread conversation for a week.

It's a multi-thread conversation mostly because of you - you must be blind to not see it. As blind as you are to the questions about your own behaviour you simply chose to ignore. So again, is this quote correct and was it said by you:

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[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
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[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade
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Harassment is spelled out in the CS. The only avatar sanctioned in the CS is child avatars. And those sanctions need to increase and directly address child avatars entering any Adult Rated Parcel in Zindra.

Adult is the new mature, what was allowed on mature before is now allowed on adult. They've downgraded mature, that's the change. There is no new issue.

Daniel you just posted AGAIN. yet in your mind you arent culpable at all - Amazing.