New Zindra Blog Post

Yes true, everyone is so tense and tender, eh. It's pretty ok sounding though that she got her swap considering her Sexy escort ad there...

It's also possible that people just aren't aware of the tension, I mean we see it here in the forums, but there's many networks and worlds in SL she could have heard of land swaps through, maybe she just didn't know it was provocative or hurtful for some others atm.

I know if I wasn't aware of this forum and the feelings in it, I'd not even comprehend people could be angry at me if I got a land swap... it just wouldn't enter my mind.

I do agree it was potentially crass, but I'll err on her right to do what ever she wants with her land...



I'm most concerned about those left on mature...

If we can't get a land swap, (as we should as we also bought and pay tier for the original rating), what will LL do to make the AR process not infringe on our established adult rated lifestyles?

The idea of being locked up in a private box to bonk, makes a block of land in the wilderness feel like a city apartment, it's just not on.

Also will mature residents even want to buy adult products anymore they are being restricted and under threat of AR for this kind of thing.

LL need to get the AR process really clear and safe if it does end up that not all mature can move...

I think though, seeing the LL response, more land opened up etc.. it's possible they may bow to reasonable pressure.... I am sure the stated 700 applications could have fitted into Zindra.

if this land dealer (not everyone fits the classification of baron) was selling it for 15l/sqm and it didn't sell I think that says a lot about the current state of SL. I certainly would have expected it to be priced around 20-30.

It may have been an insult to some people but it may just stop some of the speculators that are still in the list. By the look of it zindra isn't going to be the cash cow that some thought.

Lets keep our fingers crossed on this especially for the people that are not going to be qualified for the move but want to move anyways. I hope that the prices for Zindra land stay low and comparable to other mainland.

Probably she was looking to flip it quick. 100% profit since the land was free, then sell the mainland sim she just bought to qualify for the swap. She could take a bit of a loss on the mainland parcel, and still come out of it all pretty well financially.

Or something like that.

The flaw in LL's "trade" philosophy is that they have not insured that the original parcel is given to them in return. I think that they would prefer this, as either the original owner or who ever buys it will keep paying tier. Something that won't happen if they have to reclaim the land. I expect that they really don't want to suddenly have to auction off a continent's worth of mature land with the current depressed land values.

Very much agreed.

I do think that double-primmed land has enough of a practical advantage to command some price premium on the market compared to standard-issue Mainland. AFAIK, Zindra is the first really large parcels of the stuff on the Mainland.

Especially as she has a couple of weeks before LL charge tier on the additional sim, the land truly is free for that period.

Like everyone has always said, it could be very laggy and cluttered with bling builds. It won't be so rare as well, really common sense says there might be masses and masses of land still off line. There's a lot of mature.

You could be right. Problem is our land is definitely adult and while all this farce goes on we are losing out. We are struggling to get new tenants in the shops as their view is, we are moving to Zindra soon, why bother now.

We don't want to lose what we built up, we have been here 2 years and as an adult product/service etc we have 2 choices, pack up or move. I'm dreading the move, as you say it could be laggy with bling builds and you never know what will be next door. But we are in limbo. We don't WANT to move, we have been on the same place for 2 years, but we don't want to close either. As I said, we are struggling to get new tenants in over the last few weeks now but time drags on and some people, like the one mentioned earlier, who got the land (under seemingly false pretences) and then trying to profit off it, well it does gripe a bit.

Come on LL, get it over with so we can get back on track with our businesses. We didn't want this in the first place and you are making it worse for us!

Baronet?

Yeh, I didn't get my ticket in for 30 odd minutes... I just am struggling with the resentment to people who have done ok, it's been horrible for ages for everyone, now a few people have a good break and get some nice plots with double prims... Like that's a good thing.

On the land sale: I just went and looked, I had thought it was possibly innocent for all the reasons I have mentioned in the few previous posts... she is a land baron. I read it in the group profile:
* Cheddar Estates *
All land available for rent
I buy any land
IM me for details

Still, it's a sim down and a few hours more wait and it does genuinely suck... but people are allowed to resell the land...

My feeling on it is that that for many huge, important reasons of their own, some people have been on these forums trying to censor bdsm and child avs in part or even whole, who knows... it just reminds me of that attitude.

That said, I can see this sim is a cheat in the spirit of things...

what to me is most basic and important is people shouldn't need to push and shove as all mature is adult and any mature land owner has paid good money for adult ratings.

If it was possible at all to lobby for a mature offer to all who are due it, commercial and residential then there'd be no price hikes, adult products would remain viable to buy (tey aren't now if one has to take them to the new mature).

I'm sorry if this offends people, it's how I see it.

OMG, the Red Hand of Ulster?

Oh Cheddar. Yes I see her land all over. Her prices are generally sort of fair. But how did she manage to get a full sim? She had a whole sim devoted to adult sales in SL??

I asked a similar thing earlier, was it adult land sales, I don't know...

Sort of - she bought a full sim on 9th June 2009 - then built a huge, basic "adult club" at 300m on it...

Gomez

Yes I think double primmed will nearly always take a premium. We are OK as we will get a move for our sims worth eventually, it makes me cross the way LL are yet again handling this, especially that they have had plenty of time to plan all the logistics well in advance.

My concern is all the other poor land owners that want/need to swap to feel safe from the AR brigade as LL consistently shows that it cannot be trusted in it's planing or execution of any any movements such as these. It clearly shows logistical and planning skills are not part of LL remit. I just thank god they were not in charge of any Military actions I was involved with or I wouldn't be here now

I hope that the balance is achieved so that those that have to purchase can purchase without paying high rates per meter, but with mainland prices as depressed as ever there will be some land barons I am sure trying to inflate their prices to cover their mainland losses.

We will have to wait and see but the land bots will be busy buying up land I am sure soon and not all barons have vast amounts of cash to re inject into the auction process with lots of low priced buy ups with little hope short term to sell so we may see adult businesses bidding at auction and reselling at lower costs to others, I will certainly be looking at that option when it goes to auction.

Maybe now its a good time for us adult businesses to actually band together and help out where we can and I know it can be done as the slapt.me wiki is living proof of that. So many people have pulled together to record this act of LL and we the customers need to let LL know that whilst we realize it is their game, when they act stupid and lie and bullshit we will now call them out on it in an organized way and they will get slapt

Its all a wait and see game atm one day LL will remove their collective heads from up their rear ends and may do something good for the customer base for a change or am I just being hopeful?

Bleagh. Sounds like gaming the system.

I thought they were gonna try and weed out the latecomers.

That's what they promised us....

Gomez

Yes. Resentments would be wrong. Depending on what - maybe - the big picture is, it would be water on the Linden-Mills *if* LL has a hidden idea to dry out all adult contexts in near or somehow near future..

The target for critic should be only Linden Lab.

Beside that, we are all on the same sinking boat.

Yes true: if LL would be fair, the phenomen "cheating landbaron" wouldn't exist on Zindra.

But LL missed so much while creating the idea.

To abuse the prison metaphore one more time: by deconstruction of organic grown up pulsating social and economical structures, LL made the same mistake like all examples in history before: to hide and to discipline things and people, they (LL) are now part of the prison content. LL are now bound to the fact, that LL has to strict control the mess they have created - and to controle it perfect they would need to install a watchtower on every mature mainland sim, with 24/7 available observing employees (LOL). Somehow more wise governments know, that it is better to let very complex and diversity-rich social structures as they are, to not run into the trap to be bounded 24/7 on mechanisms of controlling, monitoring, watching and punishing.

The cheating person shows exemplaric, that LL fails also in this in the first minutes.

This happens if a pure money fixated management builds a sandbox and plays LEGO with structures about they have no clue and not the social, nor the economical skills to handle it wise.

This whole plan is born dead.

....and made sure she threw enough keywords in the descriptions to flag it as adult.

Yeh, the question is do they want to wipe out adult or boost their own income off it...

Your point is spot on with the prison analogy, they are whipped along by their own mistakes. Sandbox with legos , funny, eh, but kinda true...

I haven't been around for long, but I'd bet money SL started based on idealism and has been crushed into conformity.. be it by capitalism or moral-ism. I don't know any other system o/l or in the real world that has managed to play fair either...

My thoughts are all we can do is push for all mature to get a land swap.. or at least (and more achievable) a stable AR process and no reduction to mature rated rights to activity.

I love the smell of Foucault in the morning . . .

Just visited again briefly - right at my favorite landing point is a big platform with neon pink and green spinning lights.

Woooo-eee.

For all of you who are still waiting and fretting, I do strongly suggest you take some me time and step away from this for a while. I got my land a few days back and have discovered that now I actually need to have the reserves to rebuild, pull down my shops and workshops and do all the things that need doing in this two weeks I don't actually have the energy or enthusiasm to. I'm worn out and I admit it. You've got a couple of days where nothing is going to happen.. take advantage of it and do something nice. The crap will still be here when you get back I promise

For all of you who are still scouring zindra in the hope of finding that you can put on your list or doing to to scowl or for whatever reason you're there - since you're in the neighbourhood come and check out one of my parcels. You may know I ended up with bits in a couple of parcels and none of them are useful for the shop. So I've turned one of them into a park/beach type thing with lots of seats. (much more fun than taking down my workshops)

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Destonia/146/252/40

come past and say hello or if you time it right come and watch the sunset. It's pretty nice. (and the only thing the damn plot is useful for lol). I've even got my butler out so you can grab a drink and pretend that something nice is happening rather than the unpleasantness.

it's still very draft so any comments and criticisms of the build are welcome.. the forest is interesting, thick undergrowth until you finally hit the middle.

All true.

There must be so many people who are re-evaluating their whole SL thing.

I was talking with my oldest-bestest friend earlier.
We happened to be standing on that infamous sim-for-sale. She was totally and utterly frustrated. "I'm going to quit" she said.
This is a person with a sim level of mainland spread over parcels in a few sims - all in beautiful oceanfront in the old continents. She's an artist in RL and has built galleries of her own work as well as museums of work she has bought in SL.
She also has - like many of us- a 'kinkier' side that needs to be swapped into Adult-land.
She's at 10:20-ticket stress/insecurity.
All her choices are long gone. She looks at the new sims added and knows that any interesting terraform in those will be gone long before her 10:20 ticket surfaces.

I know how she feels.
The moment I saw how the allocations were going, I went looking at the three best 512s I could cut out of my 1/2 sim plus of group land. Two other Premiums in the group contribute 512 and I cover the rest. So that was going to be three 512s.
The rest I was going to abandon. It's all Linden-bordered land. Even if land with Linden oceans on two boundaries only fetched say 5/m right now (Yikes!!) it would still be a few US$ value.
Much better to abandon and tear that up to throw in in LL's face rather than exit with a whimper by selling it even for L$2/m. Just no more tier to be paid to LL would be the point.
I kid myself. Maybe it right now would only have fetched L$1/m, because of the 512s not for sale in the best corners of the sims

And then..... as I said to my friend..
They gave me double-prim -- even if it was the very last option at the time that I would not have dismissed out of hand.
THE BASTARDS!!
They ruined my drama opportunity.

I have to believe Jack's assertions in IM and Office Hours that people will be looked after - basically that sims will be created to satisfy justifiable demand after unjustifiable (from any reasonable POV) requests have been met.
Ha! I had this image on a cube attachment that I floated over my head at his last Office Hours. This is an actual land-swap!!!!

Ferchrissakes!!!


However, if it turns out that LL squander resources and leave only raw deals, then I'm down to a Premium tier-free 512.
I feel that strongly about it.

You've just done what I have done, relative soon after the first announcement. Basic reason-mix was, that I don't like bigot fake moral, censorship, such company politics, self-hypnotic business hallucinations by LL and their cheap tricks in communications.

This I don't feed longer with 235 $/~200 EURO per month. I did that 2 years. Maybe 2 years too long, hahaha. The region I made purple some weeks/months ago.

Not yellow.

With a friend I hold still 8192 which are feeding itself by a good running fashion-shop and 2048 t-free with the premium alts trick.

The alts will go basic when their 12 months are over.

Then I do the 512 thing. Eating their electric power and their other ressources for free.

I see then the whole grid as my virtual living room.

Good tradesmenship is to value every cent. And to value every customer. LL's turn is not good tradesmenship and has stolen my freedom for my art or better to say: my freedom in general, because I never know in advance what I like to do or create in the next moment/second on my land and whatever additional funny components of being/creating/acting in SL - and beside that I was told weeks ago that I cannot migrate to Zindra, because not qualified if I have no extreme adult things running or commercialized - hahaha.

But ok, in the same way of thinking I feel them not longer qualified to receive *my money*.

Easy decision.

I am now in observer/satellite position since some weeks and it feels great. Watching how LL drives all spirit of SL into the abyss or whatever they have in mind. I notice their silence about their *real* goals and their mostly bad, sudden overnight surprises. I would feel stupid, to invest monthly around 200+ EURO into nothing than trouble and non-comfort.

My art sleeps in my inventory (I had three x-large galleries full of original art) plus some kind of former more for fun selected and decent placed funny/naughty things and from time to time I do some furniture or architecture on request or just being lazy.

But until autumn or so: just relaxing, exploring, seeing what happens on the grid and what happens with the dead born plan developed by LL to put a natural, organic, pulsating grown cosmopolitan thing into cheap designed and censored boxes.

They hope on a new customer base and more profit than the 350 000 000 $ we gave them along the lasz biz-year.

We will see. I think, they're just dreaming of something which will never appear.

I have a bet with myself running, that they will fail dramatically.

Because of boredom. Making things too static and too restricted, creates massive boredom.

Some smarties on top have the idea to transform SL into a 3D Conference software for the worldwide edu., .com., .org scene.

Also they have the kids of the world in mind.

This will fail.

I would be surprised, if not.

Beside that: we are in recession times and in front of a long holiday season. This is not the very best time to make longtime and ambitioned customers angry and playing the high-price luxury global-player and doing strange things with a former interesting product and this on the back of the only customer base they have so far.

The failed service and lack of minimal fairness around the whole migration/segregation idea, shows that LL would like to go out with the big dogs, but LL is unable to lift the leg.

Kind of funny, sad and causing anger in one, to watch this helpless quixotic behavior of LL.

Professionality and good customer service would look different. They take now 5 days off. Hahahaha. This gives an idea about why their names not showing up in lists of top-managers and rankings of customer services of the world.

No one knows them and the names of their new sub-companies.

This thing - SL - is complete made by their customers. LL should not forget that. Really.