New Zindra Blog Post

Here I think LL made the right decision. Coastline is becoming scarce and I can just imagine how much outcry there would be if people would not get coastline because their tickets get processed *after* Zindra runs out of coastline, but just *before* more coastline gets added.

The fact that I am not jealous does not preclude the idea that I believe that you are recieving preferential treatment.

Now, as to your other logic. Has it occurred to you that many other business models (land rental and sales for instance) have been more than a little inconvenienced by all of this?
And to be honest, if you haven't had to:
"Pulling up stakes and moving from land that you have "broken in" to be the way you like"
Then you have been more fortunate than many in your luck with neighbors.

Also, many people that own mature land are actually:
"to eat your investment of time and money and simply spend your second life as a tourist."
because they have found that mainland value is in the can while all of this goes on.

I am speechless...

A global player takes 4 days off...

No employees around the globe to cover this.

What a mess again...

Whilst estate owners and tenants get no help at all from Linden Lab on this issue.

This should have been in the initial planning though.


To say this at this stage shows how badly planned this whole thing is... They SAID in the meetings they had scanned the grid to see how much needs moving - so how can the sizes of parcels suddenly suprise them? Maybe they should take a look at WHO submitted tickets to them and HOW MUCH we PAY in tier for them to userstand the size of the issue and how much they stand to lose if they cock this up any more...

Gomez

There are also some of us that have full sims and are happy with any sim to move to I am not interested in coastline I just want to get my business back on track or all Zindra will become to me is land to flip and putting the tickets on hold on it until 8th July is just a joke.

*sigh* very dissapointing to me that they will not start this process back up until the 8th. I was hoping to be done while I had some time off from work.

Some of us are in both camps. I am moving my small commercial venture 1024 sq meters out of 32,000. I could of tried to move all of it to land that will hopefully be better valued, but I love the parcels I have fretted and worked over. I can't afford to tier up right now and keep both. Hard decisions all around.

I agree... I think anyone who wanted to move up to a different level of land should have been permitted to without expense, because LL is changing the terms. Any mature should be able to move to Adult. Any PG (thier terms have changed a bit too) should be able to move up to mature. Heck while they are making a mess of things why didn't they just seperate Mature and PG continents too.

As it is we (the customer) will just absorp another fiasco. I would just be happy if people could direct thier ire to LL not to each other. Time for me to try and go do something fun so I remember why I am sticking around. Good luck everyone.

___________________________________________________

So my SL sweetie is on yahoo cheering me up over this whole fiasco and just wrote this:

You know there are risks to "plot swapping" *chuckles* SL transmitted diseases? SLTD's

From that page

"To give everyone a chance to see the new areas we will not process any more requests until Wednesday 8th July."



Lowers her head and starts to cry, "Lord, make it STOP!"


"The parcel sizes being requested have been larger than expected and many of you have specifically requested coastline, so we have decided to open up more of the Zindra landmass, earlier than planned."



They have sims and sims and sims and sims of boring, flat land, and acres of gawd awful futuristic buildings and miles of horrid roads cutting through......these areas, other than a hardy few, going empty...and THIS comes as a surprise to them???


hangs her face, covered with her hands, "Make the pain go away!"

"They aren't that stupid, they aren't that stupid, they can't be that stupid," she chants like a mantra over and over again

I updated my top 3 parcels four or five times in the last two days and this took around 4 hours of my time.
For the last two days, I am frequently checking inworld and my ticket history, with hope and patience. And now this: 4 days everything is on hold. It was all for nothing. This is more than disappointing. Actually if I would have known this before, I would have just bought a parcel later at an auction or from a landdealer, this would have been less stressful and cheaper. I still can't believe this is happening, this must be a bad dream, could someone wake me up please ?

BY "preferential" you mean "treated somewhat less awfully than some other residents"? then yes. If you mean "getting a free cookie" then no.

This *isn't* a voluntary move, argent. *nobody* should have to move, and *everyone should be eligible for a swap.*, I've said so all along.

But that doesn't make it some frakkin' *birthday present*. It is a *massive* pain in the ass, and will be an economic hardship to people with established businesses. It'll be that regardless of how many folks see Zindra as "the cool kids' table", or "The next nautilus", or whatever.

Y'know? a gilded cage is still a cage and all that stuff?

I'd rather be able to pursue my own activities on my mature land without having to move.

No amount of frosting is going to hide this dung-heap whether it is spread by LInden labs, or by residents who seem to think that being the first batch to be thrown into the bonfire is some sort of *honor*.

I understand the point that at least they're not making us pay for the kindling, but that doesn't mean that it makes up for getting thrown on the bonfire in the first place.

^V^

My response to the LL Blog taken from that page...

I'm not sure I can express how terribly disappointed I am... now we have to wait even longer to know if our submission will even be accepted. In the meanwhile competitors (and lots of lovely new clubs springing up in the brave new world) have got a wonderful headstart and are so rubbing their hands together at this brand new stroke of luck.

Nothing I write now can fully describe without seeming to 'whinge' (and by god we wouldn't want that) how difficult this makes doing even the most basic things... like recruiting... planning or even designing new builds.And of course - most frustratingly - as I still have about 180 tickets ahead of mine - any new choices and changes I make are likely for naught anyway - as they will all be taken again by the time the slowtrain gets to mine. It's lovely that new land is coming online, I hope I end up getting a parcel almost as nice as the one I have at the moment. I also hope that my business will survive, that my staff won't be tempted by the offers they are already recieving to go work someplace with a guaranteed future.

I hope everyone else in my position does well, good luck to us all.

*Facepalms* holy crap! what are they thinking? "We've made you all wait for freaking ever, so here's a 5 day delay so we can go on vacation, when we've only processed the first *6 minutes worth* or tickets"

these guys are *so* going up against the wall if the revolution comes!

^V^

That's what preferential means, yes.

And they set themselves up again - making everyone assume they can all get waterfront property if they wait 5 more days. We all know that it is not possible.

If I could flip a switch and make Noonkkot "Adult Rated" I'd do it in a minute. You guys get a free swap to adult land and you don't even have to move.

Sure it is, Anshe Chung can give everyone waterfront property when she wants to, so of course Linden Lab can do the same.

I just want to be clear that not only was I not attacking you, I wasn't referring to you. If anyone, I would be somebody who got that "free double-primmed waterfront." (In fact, the reason I didn't respond any sooner was that I've been "playing with blocks" on that Zindra land, trying to build something fit to rez there--and then script something new and interesting enough to make it worth being there, instead of the same tired stuff I've had around for ages. It's fun, having something new on which to focus.)

What I meant by "sour grapes" was a string of posts from folks who won't get the free move, talking about what a hellhole Zindra is and/or will surely become. Someone even said that they'll never go because everything for sale on Zindra is cheap crap--and this was before there was any resident-owned land on the continent!

We all know that Zindranders (Zindri?) did not set out with the intention of getting something for nothing, and we're not *getting* something for nothing, either. My whole point is that we may have a problem of perceptions of other residents who didn't get the swap.

Perceptions don't have to be rational or well-founded to be powerful. It's in our interest that the general SL public doesn't come to think of Zindra as a continent of swindlers and ne'er-do-wells. It's challenging enough to be--as we are at the moment--a continent of virtual pornographers.

See my response to argent- I get some lube, and you don't- but we're *both* getting screwed, and that's the big picture.



On the contrary- I realize that many, *many* people are being affected by this. And we have had plenty of trouble with neighbors, landlords on private sims, and getting out Homestead sim yanked out from under us due to the price increases.

We have gone through the same things that everyone else deals with. except for maybe the whole "Either move, or go out of business, we don't much care which" cavalcade of fun



And I sympathize- I honestly do. I've said all along that *all* mature mainland owners ought to be able to swap, and that LL should award Zindra land based on size of holdings being swapped. Under the plan I've been flogging in notecards to every linden who would accept them, the land barons would have been the *first* ones served, because they had the most mature land to lose.

It don't object to your agenda- I actually suggested it back in march- you can search my comments on the Wiki and find them.

What I object to is being referred to as someone who has gotten some kind of *cookie* out of this. I did this because my partners and I *had* to to keep our business.

This is the 4th time we've had to close up shop and move to a new location, and it's getting *very* old.

And the "incessant complaining" has been *at* linden labs- for the past 4 months, on behalf of *everyone* affected by this. Forgive me a sigh of relief that I managed to get my request in fast enough to only have to submit *18* different choices before finding out that we are done with the land swap part and only have spend our time rebuilding our business- essentially from the ground up.

Sorry, but LL isn't doing me any favors- Some people might come out a little ahead on the land deal, but they'll be just as screwed in the marketing and traffic departments.

And some people will get *worse* land than before- again LL's fault for the "first come first served" idea.

^V^

There's another thread going on this, but so many are hanging out here I thought I'd mention it.

It would appear that the age verification system is broken. If you have verified, go to your account and click age verification. Now, it used to take you to a page that said something to the effect that you are already verified. Now it takes you to the enter information page instead (or at least it is for some.)

Along those lines, it would appear that residents who are confused by the new system are setting parcels and regions to allow access by age verified only. Guessing that they will be experiencing a rapid drop in traffic.

What bothers me is the people who say they are going to actively encourage making it a hellhole, if they do get land there. Who think it SHOULD be wall-to-wall porn. I don't think they can possibly succeed, but still, Zindra needs as much variety as it can get.

Another absolutely inane decision by LL. there should be a program to help tenants displaced by the content changes, and one for people who rent regions second-hand, who won't be able to access their own sims when they get flipped to "adult" by the sim owner.


these people spend money that finds its way in to coffers of LL too. very bad service to ignore *any* customer.

^V^

In retrospect, I wonder if a lottery would have made more sense, as well as taking requests before they were ready to deliver. They could have started taking requests a month ago, for a seven day period, with plenty of time to filter the unqualified ones. Then randomize them, and look at what it would take in terms of resources and design to deliver.

Instead they chose a process that was guaranteed to overwhelm their resources and leave a large percentage of merchants unhappy.

The only thing that would have made any sense was offering EVERYONE who has mature land an equivalent parcel of adult land, or if that cost too much coming up with a less insane plan. They had no backup plan if demand was too high, none, so instead they changed the rules.

Dream on honey, even when Phil was in charge LL had absolutely no intention of allowing its customers a say in what is going on.

After meeting a rather large cross section of the community down the years I'd rather delete and purge trash of everyone one of my items and walk away than let the community have a shot at governing.

Just back to my computer and looking.

I'm very much struck that overall the last few pages of this thread have been the most thoughtful, honest and interesting stream of posts that I've seen in the forums for a long time or maybe even ever.


I could be mistaken about this.

In a little while, I will chip in to spoil it