New Zindra Blog Post

Yep, it's been my postition too, people payed for a rating and in all fairness it should be their decision not LL's.

The land baron thing sounds dodgy if has happened, but the new lands opening up give me a bit of faith in LL's intentions, they could have so easily just crammed everyone in to a ghetto but haven't and are opening what probably was saved for auctions to make sure people are satisfied with their swap.

Just wish the rest of SL knew this was happening.

Be rest assured that some of the rest of SL is aware that the purveyors of pron are getting preferential treatment. So this is supposed to make us feel good because?

they opened more land? *goes to run and look*

Mature people are being moved, they didn't ask for it and at first most fought it tooth and nail. It's not favoritism. Do you begrudge them nice land, now they seem to be getting it, or something, I'm not sure what you're asking?

A lot of them who don't sell things will have their ratings downgraded against their will. If anything needs to be worried about or have people upset this is it.

All the new land is currently labeled Ursula and it cant be reached yet

There also appears to me another chunk of new land in the south east being prepared - lets hope they open these additions soon cause I'm getting very upset watching all our first choices being snapped up due to having to be out of town at the time the ticket office opened and thus forced to be near the bottom of a very long list

^L^

We'll see. My ticket got looked at at 12:45 SLT, and I got asked for more information, because all *16* of the choices I submitted were gone, or carved up so that they were nowhere near big enough. I replied with questions (I'm sure that we all know what they were )and two more choices, both of which would require about 5k of "protected" land to be big enough. I even offered to take land at the bottom of the ocean if it was available!

We'll see what happens- I wasn't online to answer them until about 6:32pm SLT ( Hey I gotta sleep sometime, right?)

I'll keep the forum posted about further developments

^V^

*preferential*? We *have* to move. we didn't *ask* for this. we're being told essentially "move or close up shop". and I don't know if you've noticed, but the land, build and parceling of Zindra is *crap*. It's a thrown together steaming pile of goat poop, and the only reason that I'm participating in this insane swap system is that the only alternative is to close up shop and quit SL altogether.

And maybe I could even do that, but people I love are depending on this for their personal fulfillment, and maybe a few bucks in the bargain.

So even though it was a titanic mistake, I've tried to make suggestions, tried to mitigate the damage, and tried to spread the word and join in the discussion. I'm sticking around even though I, and people like me, are being treated like the crazy uncle that gets locked in the attic so that the family isn't disgraced by spawning a weirdo.

Zindra is an *attic*. it is exile. it is a prison Cell.

I don't call having to make the choice between keeping our land or our businesses "preferential treatment".

I'm surprised that anyone can.

And now, even our *exile* is being disrupted by people who see the opportunity to make a buck off our misery. So no, it isn't "preferential treatment"- it is arguing over who gets the best seat on the Titanic's deck.


^V^

The original post looked like you were just illiterate and I don't bother criticising that sort of thing . . .

Pep ( . . . but this one suggests you are sloppy/lazy too so I'll grant your request. )

Good luck on it, try for Ursula maybe, eh.. One thing I said in my ap' was that I'd wait for more free land to open up cuz I kinda knew it would have to.

It'll be a few more days for me yet till my ticket is looked at, and I'm a small biz so yeh.

Here's hoping the best for everyone.

That's how I read Jannae's post. I don't want to speak for her, but I think there's a legitimate concern that Mature landowners who don't get to move because they don't have Adult businesses will come to resent Zindra settlers. It's impossible to guess how widespread that feeling will be, but I've already heard some possible sour grapes comments about Zindra from folks who wouldn't qualify for the move. And when the half or more of the grid who have no clue about any of this yet, eventually find out that all us pixel pornographers have gotten free double-primmed waterfront on a brand spanking new continent, they may wonder what the hell happened.

Of course it was hardly our idea to put ourselves through this, but to an outsider who didn't go through it, it may look like a pretty sweet deal.

Yeh, I've always been saying ALL mature people need the chance, I hate the idea of my mature plot, (which is really beautiful) having to have it's life crammed into a box.

If people can't comfortably use adult products at home where does that leave the retailers as well.

Either non retail mature people need a swap too or they need a guarantee against AR for the lifestyle rating they have paid for.

I'm not going to buy into any excuses for resentment on this though, as we all know it has been a rough ride, even if it looks good it at the very end.

Acutally this was my first post to Blondin: in the "further questions" thread.

04-24-2009, 03:53 PM


At the time I was mistakenly under the impression the teen grid was merging and that real life teens could get onto Ursula.

Blondin answered the one about if or not all mature people get a swap, that was all. But half these questions I still don't think are answered properly. Namely the AR and the what about those left behind.

Yes Qie, what you said. Posts like this:

(Quote edited for space) The entire process took about an hour from beginning to end as there were 13 smaller parcels to combine which just took some time to pick-out and combine. So if people are wondering why this is going slowly: It just takes time for people to describe which parcels they would like to have combined, without being able to point with your finger and just say "I'd like this, this, this and that over there"

The land I got is WAY better, than the land I had before (which I'm keeping by the way). I now have double-prim land with beach-access and a great unobstructed view at the sunset.

Valerius, the only issue "forcing" you to move, is based on personal choices that you are making for yourself. I don't even know where to begin addressing the hyperbole about prisons, exile, ghettos, et al.

How trite. I think that says it all period.

I guess you are referring to me with the "free double-primmed waterfront".

I know *you* are not attacking me, but outsiders may, so let me clarify one thing for everyone who is reading this: I was *against* the move from the beginning, and I am still against it. Despite getting this better land.

I think SL would have been better off if this whole Zindra thing would never have happend. If there had been PG/Mature/Adult right from when SL started, then that would have been ok as everyone would have known what they had gotten when they bought it. But devaluating people's mature land *after* they bought it, whether for commercial or private use, is just *not right*.

Valerius is right!
Zindra *is* a prison for people with ''wicked'' minds and ideas..
For people that are different.

And it is BAD that Linden lab split up our community in 2 groups.
We have the PG people that want teens to be here, and want SL to be PG only.
And we have the people that believe in freedom, that accept everybody, people that dont care what others do in SL as long as its not offensive.

If you read the posts here..
you can see who belongs to which group.

Its sad that we fight among each other, instead of making 1 fist against LL and tell them we , their residents, disagree.

There's very few who still want to go that far. Even Daniel Voyager has agreed that merging the grids (under any name) is a bad idea, and I don't think he was ever on the side of the splitters and nannies as they're represented in the forums.

well the thing is..
We shouldnt have ''sides''
As we are all adults...


Live and let be..
Thats my motto in SL.
I dont care what others do, as long as it does not offend me personally.
(Ims and other spam grieving things)

I wish more people would have that atttiude, as I respect the nanny's too, for being PG.
.. and I dont rate myself though, I hate to say ''you are PG.. you are Mature and you are Adult'' .. I am just me, and sometimes I do PG things, sometimes I visit mature sims and sometimes adult.

You are overgeneralizing a bit, and not being fair. Some people do want to live,PG Second Lives, and they are right in wanting to as much as people who wish to partake in more Adult activities. And most of them don't wat Adult activities done away with. They just want reasonable assurance that they can avoid the.

Sex isn't dirty or somethimg to be ashamed of. Even kinky/festish play doesn't have to be sleazy and gratuitous. But there is a time and place for everything. It has become a problem. Mostly, it is LL's fault.They set the grid up to fail in this regard, and did nothing over the years as the problems grew, quite visibly. But also a small percentage of residents also are to blame, for their behavior over the years.

Now things are out of control, and LL is wildly overreacting in an attempt to fix them. And the majority who follow the rules, no matter what kind of SL they wish to lead are paying the price.

The nannies aren't the ones who just want to be G.

They're the ones who want everything to be G.

Welll Said Brenda.
You are right..
The grid was unstructured, people that didnt want Adult things, were confronted with it each and everytime and vice versa. So I am kinda glad they both have seperated cells now. But I am worrying about the respect.. I am affraid we might lose it.

PG Nanny's dont respect adult people.
They feel disrespected by the nanny's and start to lose respect for them over that.
Its a serious thing if a society gets split in two big groups, thanks to Linden Lab.

Edit:
Thanks Argent

It's a nice thought, but for a part, we have ourselves to blame.
-Too many people thought SL was an "anything goes" environment. It's not.
-Grey definitions of what's mature and what's not. These grey definitions are still there, and adult already has the same problem.
-Too many people "overrate" themselves, placing only pure PG content with pure PG rules in mature areas. The same will be happening in Zindra: pure PG content with pure PG rules taking a plot in Zindra, because the owner and his wife have a *private* skybox with a sexbed 3000 meters above the PG content. A PG area is all that the first version needs, while the ones with the private skybox will be fine in a mature region. As a sidenote, because this is and will be happening, I am in favor of allowing child avatars on Zindra even after opening.

So, now we can just sit back and enjoy the show, in about 4 years we'll witness the opening of a new continent, rated Hard Core, because too many people complain about sex parties happening on neighbouring Adult classed land..

QFT

And it looks like they are having some influence. Nannies and business types.


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Only some idiot manager type could have come up with this Zindra scheme. Any practical person would have simply offered land swaps to people who wished to live on a new PG only continent.

Because that actually would have only been 2-4%.

That's only rational self defense against the whacked out G-team. Otherwise you'll find Nanny Linden showing up and telling you to put pants on your G-rated cartoon animal.