New Zindra Blog Post

My ticket got updated yesturday but STILL NEW with that default message. Seems I'm likly not to get a plot now suddenly and will likly be forced to deal with a land barron. I'm preparing not to move and continue violating the TOS.

They won't stay granite--the whole continent was that same ugly granite before they shaped and surfaced it.

I wouldn't even give great odds that they'll stay where they're currently located on the grid. I'd guess they're busy trying to rejigger the coastline to the east of the current continent, and that these sims will be unrecognizably different when opened and possibly moved into place.

Sorry gotta be commerical. LMAO According to their form letter you have to sell naughty not just allow mass naughty.

DON'T PANIC!!!!11!!



Everybody with an open Zindra ticket got the same comment overnight.

[ETA: On the other hand, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. Still... if you were qualified for the move yesterday, you're no less qualified today.]

I noticed this only AFTER a friend got turned down. Only after he reopened the ticket did they admit to a 'mistake' Hence my comment to Blondin at yesterday's Office Hours about LL trying their hardest to keep the amount of people accepted down, and forcing them to move at their own expense. Seems the "commercialized" aspect of this whole thing was easily overlooked by us (or added later) and they are trying to turn down as many as possible in this 'first wave'

No matter that allowing "non commercialized" (i.e. Those not SELLING anything) sex clubs to remain and advertised makes a mockery of this whole plan.

Do they think we are complete morons?

Qie....we've both been here how long...I think we both know the game. I've had my run ins with the Lindens so am just telling people what I am getting. A ticket seemingly touched still not in WIP (but all touched get WIP). Basicly giving me a pre-decline letter. It's fustrating to know we all saw this coming and this wasn't two trains hitting. It was two nukes.

nah not turned down...just not told. LL is notorious for not informing people of things (usually in LLs favor or at the cost of the customer).

Oh, he was most definitely turned down for a swap, at first

I'm sorry, but I don't agree. The vagaries of the land market are a risk of doing business in land speculation. Land speculators can buy and sell *any* kind of land, are not limited to filtered search terms to advertise it, and their product is created by LInden labs, not themselves.

Adult content providers, on the other hand, are far more affected by these changes- they have to uproot their businesses, lose a large chunk of their market, and become invisible in search to anyone without the "adult" box checked, or who isn't account verified.

Land speculators don't have those problems.

The idea that someone could get a zindra swap, and have a "for sale" sign on the land before the swap is complete, that that it *isn't* a problem is *insane*. Complete madness.

Some of us are *depending* on a decent trade for our second livelihoods, and these speculators are breaking the rules, and some of them obviously with LInden help.

I refer back to my post about the beheadings.

^V^

They're not allowed to remain.

I do sell naughty.
Just I do it in nice interesting surroundings, with little bonuses like water and sunsets etc.

And as with all my lands, people are welcome to rez their boats and other vehicles and go enjoy touring SL.

The new place is at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Leuran/212/29/35

- not a commercial as I havn't built there yet. I have to think out the detail of a build that suits the particular ground

If you look at it on Map, ignore the dirty great rectangle to the North of me. That platform is the neighbour shop in the sky.
The monstrosity to the East in the next sim is unfortunately not in the sky.

Erk I meant the commerical part of it. They always say one thing then later pull out the contract on ya with the fine print. They likly said "hangouts" but didn't think some people don't care to break even or make a profit off people so they might not have vendors.

Not the land speculators. They are on zindra because they have either decidedto get out of the adult business and make a few bucks on their way out the door, or they are here because they have misrepresented themselves in a swap ticket, or because they have some sort of inside track.

In any case, they violate the *spirit* of the swap, which is to allow adult businesses to continue to operate under the new content restrictions.

The content restrictions are crap. the changes are horrible. the LL plan is an abomination. but that doesn't excuse people pimping the system at the expense of folks who are going to be screwed to a fare-thee-well if this process doesn't give them something at least *similar* to the places they had before.

Most zindra residents may be victims, but that doesn't mean that there aren't people abusing the process and adding further harm to them.

^V^

They are if they are indoors and aren't advertised. Adult content is allowed on mature parcels as long as it is private (read indoors) and isn't publicly promoted or advertised.

How long that will last is another question, but the gist seems to be that they are leaving everything but the businesses in place and pretending that is enough of a "cleanup".

Madness, I know, but that seems to be what they are presenting as their plan.

^V^

p.s. Of course what I mean is that a *private* sex club can operate- invite only, group announcement of events, "It wasn't an orgy! that was 25 people deeply in love!" type stuff

Argent was saying that these are not allowed to remain:

Sure, but they're in a business, and that business is very much and very directly affected by this policy. Especially by the added twist that lets us Adult content creators dispose of our old properties instead of giving them back to LL where they might not instantly flood the market.

Landflipping is a capital-intensive business. Suppose you're a mid-sized landflipper with 10 sims of Mature inventory, scattered around the Mainland. The new policy comes in and the market takes a dive--at least L$2/m already, and still falling at a steady pace--and the swap has barely even begun. You've just lost L$1.3 million, or about US$5000 out of pocket. I suppose there are Adult businesses that are throwing off that kind of revenue, but they get the Zindra land swap for their whole business, and can use whatever they can generate by selling off their existing land to buy classifieds or otherwise mitigate the impact. The landflippers just have to sit back and watch their money disappear before their eyes.

That is *not* meant to justify any underhanded, behind the scenes dealings--neither by landflippers nor queue-jumping Adult businesses with "special connections." But it's always been my position that *all* Mature Mainland should be eligible for this swap because *all* of it is affected, one way or another.

At this point, I'm to the point of saying fine. Let people abuse it, make a mockery out of it, etc. The more who do, the more people might actually wake up about what LL is doing to SL. You know -- pay attention. Buy a clue. Etc.

Inworld commerce is also feeling dead to me right now. Shops are putting a lot of freebies out like they never have before.

A lot of my friends have lost the "spirit" of why they were on SL in the first place.

anyone now having problems accessing SL support page? ticket history? live help?

If they're "sex clubs", actually "clubs", then they will fail the "not advertised" test. Blondin made that point multiple times.

Ticket-history is working fine for me. Haven't checked anything else.

There was one place in this long period of discussion, where, I believe it was Blondin, who said that even if you are in a private home, if you have a guest and the antics become adult, that person could file a complaint against you. That indicated to me that being in your home is not sufficient to keep from being Adult. This does not even get in to sex on the beach or on the porch. What exactly is your 'home', just indoors?
BT

How many Tickets are there?
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A regular support ticket submitted 18May09 had the number 6285208, and the first known Zindra ticekt is 6484185. Therefore prior to the start of the land rush, they were getting 195 tickets per hour, or about 3 per minute.

From that and the ticket numbers and times people have posted, we can estimate there were 350 Zindra tickets put in during the first 20 minutes, 850 in the first 3.6 hours, and 2,500 as of 01Jul09 7pm.

How long to work through the Queue?
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They have processed about 100 support ticket numbers in two days. Subtracting 10 non-Zindra tickets that appeared in those first 5 minutes leaves 45 tickets processed per day.

'With the above estimate of 2,500 tickets so far that will take 55.5 days to process.

It looks like they are slowing down according to the list on slapt.me. I guess it's getting much harder to fit people's choices into regions where some land is already owned by others.

According to the numbers on slapt.me they finished only 22 tickets on Jul-01, and up to 1:28pm PDT on Jul-02 only 10 additional ones.

Maybe they have started adding more regions because they noticed how the workload per ticket increased? We'll see...

[2009/07/02 11:13] Jack Linden: Okay I've just been told that we've had 700 requests total, so far

Did he say to how many square meters this amounts?