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samatha Congrejo
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06-30-2009 14:49
From: Meade Paravane
No. They don't listen to us because we have such a big tin-foil hat crowd.

There's pointing things out to LL that are wrong and making constructive criticisms or calling them on it when they do stupid things and there's declaring that there's a conspiracy then looking for reasons to support that, regardless of if they make sense:



And if you think I'm one that never questions LL, you haven't been here in the forums, especially in all these adult-content threads, nearly long enough. I have no problem telling them that they're doing things wrong. I just don't look for or make up additional stuff - they have plenty of real issues already.



You know i went into this presuming hey were just slow. I only started assuming something was strange when i get strange answers, when people start pausing then i get answers that sould like the same person wrote the answer, Come on three people all claim to have posted at 10:00:01, now that is not strange, Tickets don't list seconds et each one said almost exactly the same thing. I got my land because i posted at 10:00:01.

More instersting is the defensive attitude. I only asked if we could ahve thier ticket number for tracking the progress of the tickets and get some idea how long the lindens were taking, after a pause each time, got. almost word for word, I got my land because i posted at 10:00:01.

So as to is there something fishy here, hell yes it looks that way.

I also did not comment on the one who got a land swap from a completely empty plot on the mainland. Meaning it was completely empty for the last 20 days that we know of, not one object on it.

And who when only greeting with a hi politely in ims said and i quote, "Fuck off or i will report you to the Lindens. How i got my land is none of your damn business"

That from a simple hi.
Vorren Voltaire
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06-30-2009 15:05
From: Storyof Oh
Hessen and Vanauken has gone....er to a land barron


Are we suprised at all by this? I'm not.

I'm amazed when I see a parcel that goes to actual adult content makers or service providers.
Sin Toshi
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06-30-2009 15:07
From: samatha Congrejo


And who when only greeting with a hi politely in ims said and i quote, "Fuck off or i will report you to the Lindens. How i got my land is none of your damn business"

That from a simple hi.


yikes :(

I guess it's to be expected that we'd turn on each other when we're forced to scrabble for a limited resource with little information, minimal feedback and generous helping of uncertainty.
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06-30-2009 15:10
From: Wynochee LeShelle
I sended you a mail ;-)


I replied and added it to the wiki :)
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Conor Darcy
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06-30-2009 15:21
Ok I'm a bit confused, I thought art galleries didn't have to move and why are people with no obvious adult businesses getting swaps? Do they keep them secret or something?
Gummo Zaks
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06-30-2009 15:23
so I guess no real news on the current state of things?
Couldbe Yue
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06-30-2009 15:24
perhaps the idea is to only let the obviously non adult applicants get through. That way LL can point to it and tell people that SL really is tame because an art gallery or land broker are at the extreme end of the spectrum.
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Wynochee LeShelle
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06-30-2009 16:00
From: Lord Sullivan
I replied and added it to the wiki :)


Thanksy. Resident is informed now. I hope he will have luck :-)
Desmond Shang
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06-30-2009 16:24
As someone who processes dozens upon dozens of resident notecard requests weekly (sometimes daily!) including lotsa land transfers, my guess is that there's zero malice but a whole bunch of confusion on the other side.

Since nobody works nonstop processing tickets every 2 minutes 24/7 my guess is that they have a few queues going to a few different people. Roughly simultaneous as far as humanly possible. When someone takes a break, there's going to be a little 'out of sequencing'. That doesn't explain what everyone's seeing here, though.

The following are almost *certainly* in play:

1) 'utterly cryptic complex note' effect (just what is it that they want?)

2) 'incomprehensible note effect' (the word 'land' is in it but it's not parse~able)

3) 'brazenly straightforward but demands over the moon' effect (I'll do this for you if I check with everyone else and nobody objects, otherwise forget it)

4) 'wait a tiny bit and I'll have exactly what you want' effect (as stated)

5) 'obvious mistake effect' (process 1000 user requests and I promise you, you'll botch five of them utterly without even realising it)

6) 'tech issues effect' (what note? did you contact me?)

7) 'me me ME!' effect (50 people DEMAND one particular spot, mention no alternative... now what?)

8) In a multi person team environment, the 'slow thoughtful' guy isn't going to get nearly as much desirable land for his queue as the kinda quick but slapdash people ~ that land will all be gone by the time he gets there. Common sales force effect.

9) "wait, you can do that? I've been telling people they can't" "oh, really? maybe I should too?" "supervisor is out to lunch" "let's do what we can for now, we can't stop the whole process over this one person"

10) 'there's this incredible wealth of info here but someone used their landless alt' effect... just who is this for, exactly?

11) 'this is the fourth ticket saying Wait, change everything I just asked you to do!' effect

* * * * *

This isn't to justify anyone's actions at the Company, as obviously I have *no* clue what's going on for certain.

But all of this *will* happen first, and then after all that, comes whatever other problems or nonsense.


One thing I can promise they won't have: a list of tickets with clear requests.

I hope you all get what you want. It's a good idea to re read your own ticket and make sure that it makes sense, and if it doesn't you can amend it with a comment I think.

Good luck everyone.
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Sindy Tsure
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06-30-2009 17:06
My 10:01 was updated today while I was at RL work..

Choice 3 made the cut - 1st and 2nd were all the unprotected land on Leuran or Popke, which I didn't really expect.

Got a good chunk of Terri. Not as much as I had asked for but I updated the ticket begging for the rest. We'll see..
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Qie Niangao
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06-30-2009 17:15
From: Sindy Tsure
Got a good chunk of Terri. Not as much as I had asked for but I updated the ticket begging for the rest. We'll see..
Glad you got some, Sindy, and hope you get enough. :) I'm sure whatever you get, you'll do wonderful things with it.
Whimsycallie Pegler
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06-30-2009 17:15
Congrats Sindy for at least being through the process. I hope it works out well for you.

My 10:09 still hasn't been touched. I did here about a 10:04 being processed, but it was word of mouth.. not reliable.
Sindy Tsure
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06-30-2009 17:18
From: Qie Niangao
Glad you got some, Sindy, and hope you get enough. :) I'm sure whatever you get, you'll do wonderful things with it.

TY!

I droped a floaty rezzer on the riverbank.. I'm bushed! Time for a break.

The desire to have the rest of the land is more of us not really wanting neighbors on the sim, to be honest.
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06-30-2009 17:18
Nice to see one real pervet getting what they deserve :p
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Sindy Tsure
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06-30-2009 17:22
From: Brenda Connolly
Nice to see one real pervet getting what they deserve :p

Oh.. Just wait until my neighbor Candy shows up with her 50m tall, golden, nekkid shemale statue, in full salute..
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Bhakta Thor
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they gave mine away
06-30-2009 17:26
From: Sindy Tsure
Oh.. Just wait until my neighbor Candy shows up with her 50m tall, golden, nekkid shemale statue, in full salute..

Well, they are giving out land. They gave my choices away....I am not taking just anything, Im ready to leave this place.
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06-30-2009 17:27
From: Sindy Tsure
My 10:01 was updated today while I was at RL work..

Choice 3 made the cut - 1st and 2nd were all the unprotected land on Leuran or Popke, which I didn't really expect.

Got a good chunk of Terri. Not as much as I had asked for but I updated the ticket begging for the rest. We'll see..

I had asked for 1/2 of Terri,,,did not get that either. I don't want to play anymore.
BT
Sindy Tsure
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06-30-2009 17:32
From: Bhakta Thor
I had asked for 1/2 of Terri,,,did not get that either. I don't want to play anymore.
BT

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23rdDjin Negulesco
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06-30-2009 17:41
for those of you planning on taking up any of this at the Estate Services or Governance Team office hours, you may want to get there early. plans are in the works to fill it with as many people (and alts) as possible to protest the permabanning of a certain well known landcutter "advertiser".

just sayin'




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06-30-2009 17:45
there's nothing to take up with them atm.

and I thought the G-team stopped their office hours last year?
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06-30-2009 17:53
From: 23rdDjin Negulesco
for those of you planning on taking up any of this at the Estate Services or Governance Team office hours, you may want to get there early. plans are in the works to fill it with as many people (and alts) as possible to protest the permabanning of a certain well known landcutter "advertiser".

just sayin'




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Good reason to go there, so there's less space for people going there to protest against the permaban of someone who deserved it!
samatha Congrejo
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Update 4051-6484233 29/6/2009 10:02 AM PDT
06-30-2009 18:12
ok here we go:

First response at 29/6/2009 8:39 pm, more info requested, implied that land swap would be denied because I own the vendors and Mistress owns the plots.

Mistress replied within 15 minutes of the request, nothing happened all night.

This morning, started with a nice calm live chat, got no where.

Second live chat, and third live chat....... progressed till 1 pm.

30/6/2009 2:30 pm updated, requested three new choices. Which made no sense since the 1st and 3rd choice were unassigned to anyone. Mistress gave them three more anyway.

30/6/2009 4:35pm I arrive back online and am told what is happening. Back to Live chat, demanded a supervisor. Went and stood on our first choice. Transfered live chat to Mistress.

30/6/2009 5:05 Mistress gets imed by a linden. We get our original third choice.

30/6/2009 5:35 pm ticket completed
Whimsycallie Pegler
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06-30-2009 18:32
Congrats Samantha. Sorry you had to jump through so many hoops.
samatha Congrejo
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06-30-2009 18:37
From: Whimsycallie Pegler
Congrats Samantha. Sorry you had to jump through so many hoops.


Unfortunately, not everyone filing a ticket has a nasty bitbull sub they own that they can unleash on the Lindens and none of this explains the wierd goings on yesterday. Still trying to make sense of why Mistress was asked to make three more choices with no explanation even though her first and third choice were still available.

I honestly beleive my demanding to get an explanation for that is how she got her original third choice.

Regards,

samatha
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06-30-2009 18:40
From: samatha Congrejo
Unfortunately, not everyone filing a ticket has a nasty bitbull sub they owm that they can unleash on the Lindens and none of this explains the wierd goings on yesterday. Still trying to make sense of why Mistress was asked to make three more choices with no explanation even though her first the third choice were still avaiable.

I honestly beleive my demanding to get an explanation for that is how she got her original third choice.

Regards,

samatha



well done and congrats :)

You're not the first person I've heard of to have managed a change of heart on LLs side after discussions.
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