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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-30-2009 09:12
From: Sling Trebuchet
...When you get it, you can do this to it.

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I spotted that build this morning too, with the builder still adding to it, yet, not making it look any nicer at all. (=_=)



... and people are saying ~I~ will bring about the destruction of Adult land. (=_=)y
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Bhakta Thor
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06-30-2009 09:14
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Interesting. If what I am hearing here is correct (and it seems to me that the actual situation is still far too fuzzy to know for sure), Zindra may well end up wall-to-wall sex and violence?

Wow, that should have some rather interesting implications for the future. Is anyone concerned that competition is going to end up knocking a lot of smaller players out of business, and concentrating the market in the hands of a few bigger or more successful businesses? I can almost foresee a point at which a much depopulated Zindra does, perforce, become more mixed-usage, simply because there won't be enough market share to support a continent stuffed with nothing but adult content.

Guess I should be studying this, in case they decide to create a "books only" continent, and I am forced to move to "Librindra." ;)

That's why I'm gonna build a church :)
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06-30-2009 09:17
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From: Scylla Rhiadra
Hopefully like rl..the better quality v price v function etc will see the survival of the fittest...

You mean like WalMart?
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06-30-2009 09:17
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
I spotted that build this morning too, with the builder still adding to it, yet, not making it look any nicer at all. (=_=)



... and people are saying ~I~ will bring about the destruction of Adult land. (=_=)y


You neglected to show to 100 Foot Immy statue in the next parcel over.
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06-30-2009 09:18
From: Imnotgoing Sideways

This was one of the more prime locations in all of zindra - double prim; LL water on both sides; and a pretty area, IMO. It's unfortunate that somebody who seems to have no interest in actually using the land as something other than somewhere to slap all their prims down asked for it.

It's too late now but LL should have considered doing some double-prim sims off in the middle of nowhere instead of just in areas that were desireable for other reasons, too.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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06-30-2009 09:18
From: Brenda Connolly
You mean like WalMart?

Yeah, actually that's pretty much exactly the model that seems likely to triumph. Scary...
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06-30-2009 09:20
From: Meade Paravane
/me is not convinced.

If they open up another round of land so that people who were in on-time but didn't dot some 'i' or cross some 't' or did the wrong ticket type by mistake could still get some decent land, it will work out ok. Or at least not as a disaster.

If they don't open up another round of land and force these people to chose from the remaining dregs of crapland, that would be a far less happy scenario.


Err.. These two tickets were added at the same minute. The ticket number is generated when you ADD a ticket, not when you update it.

/me looks confused.


The ticket number is generated when you open it. So there are 6 tickets between the two
the first was looked at and put in progress at 10:07 am

The second ticket was opened and put in progress at 8:39 pm

this means that 6 tickets were looked at and put in progress or processed and closed in 13 hours, not likely.
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06-30-2009 09:21
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
I spotted that build this morning too, with the builder still adding to it, yet, not making it look any nicer at all. (=_=)



... and people are saying ~I~ will bring about the destruction of Adult land. (=_=)y

They're making their bed and they're damn well going to sleep in it.

To stay in perspective, this isn't their fault, this is caused by Linden Lab, ok!
Scylla Rhiadra
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06-30-2009 09:23
From: Shambolic Walkenberg
I get the distinct impression the "adult content providers" who LL claim support this have considered this point greatly. They've almost certainly weighed up the cons of losing some customer base, with the pros of removing a great deal of the competition.

It's unethical, immoral, and most of all, if it pans out, good business sense.


Creating unofficial and tacitly condoned monopolies . . . Yeah, I can see why LL would like that model.

One of the things that has most p***ed me off about this process from the start is the pretense of "consultation," when, in fact, LL seems to have discussed this with only carefully vetted, and largely anonymous, stakeholders. Who ARE these unnamed contributors to the brown bag sessions? And where, other than in the fora and JIRA, were others who did NOT receive an invitation to contribute supposed to offer their input? No wonder Linden office hours became such a shambles: there was no other way to make oneself heard above the din by LL than by shouting in all-caps.

I know that most of you view this from a business perspective. For what it's worth, it sucks from a community-planning perspective too.
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06-30-2009 09:25
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Creating unofficial and tacitly condoned monopolies . . . Yeah, I can see why LL would like that model.

One of the things that has most p***ed me off about this process from the start is the pretense of "consultation," when, in fact, LL seems to have discussed this with only carefully vetted, and largely anonymous, stakeholders. Who ARE these unnamed contributors to the brown bag sessions? And where, other than in the fora and JIRA, were others who did NOT receive an invitation to contribute supposed to offer their input? No wonder Linden office hours became such a shambles: there was no other way to make oneself heard above the din by LL than by shouting in all-caps.

I know that most of you view this from a business perspective. For what it's worth, it sucks from a community-planning perspective too.

And it's SOP from a Linden perspective. They are equally inept at business and community building.
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06-30-2009 09:25
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
I spotted that build this morning too, with the builder still adding to it, yet, not making it look any nicer at all. (=_=)



... and people are saying ~I~ will bring about the destruction of Adult land. (=_=)y


I'm sure it would have blended nicely into the environment had they been assigned land equivalent to the land they swapped for it - flat green land-locked.
I wonder if they have a ticket into LL asking if the peninsula can be flattened for them.
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06-30-2009 09:27
As much as I want Zindra to be a massive failure, that build even makes me supersad.
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06-30-2009 09:31
From: Angel Leviathan
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Does that mean the land-swaps are like playing 'leap frog' with it? :eek:
Couldbe Yue
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06-30-2009 09:31
From: Brenda Connolly
As much as I want Zindra to be a massive failure, that build even makes me supersad.



don't be too sad yet. I think you'll find the pink satin is just a temp texture. I does look like they're continuing with the futuristic theme though.

btw, has anyone seen the monorail yet?
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Wynochee LeShelle
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06-30-2009 09:31
From: Meade Paravane
I don't quite understand why they did zindra terrain the way they did.

They must know that land with access to protected water is always seen as a premium. They really should know that they have angered lots of people with this whole adult content thing. They definitely knew that they would be swapping these angry residents to this new land...

So.. What's with the high river banks and lack of parcels with water access? It's not like it's more expensive to drop down a region with more rivers...


To be exact, they angered *all* customers (so far they know about the change...) because only actual biz can move, while at the same time all potential biz or any other spontaneous creativity and whatever expressions are now restricted down to nothing on mature mainland.

Not only, that they crippled the spirit of SL and murdered the TAO. For being a global-player (a LL self - description)..., it is a shame if a company provides (or dictate) a swap with nearly no staff to handle it, no room to be flexible enough and with the appearance of the worst continent-building ever.

Measured on the tier-levels payed by all involved customers, which are all, except PG-land owners, it is still an impertinence how this move is handled.

There is nothing smooth, nothing painless and nothing professional or comfortable.

It is just a nerve-expensive and costs-expensive unwanted and unwelcome experience for the customers in general. A complete chaos from A to Z and reverse.

All that is only phase 1, they say...

However: we had - so to speak - 3 perfect Zindras before. The three continents, plus the new freckles Bay City and Nautilus.

We had a ToS, which needed only to be handled strict: M = M and PG =PG.

In case of moral conflicts it would be still the better solution to have Zindra as *free choice* for people who want to have a strict PG oriented SL.

But if for reasons a swap is needed, then it should be available for free for all open minded people and much more comfortable, generous and professional provided.

Zindra is not the first continent since 2003, but it looks like it would be the first try ever to build a continent: flat, no water for use, no smooth beaches and no pittoresque mountains, nothing - and too small... pre-designed...for ahm, "green living". maybe good for Greenpeace and the World Wildlife-Fund, but not for adult-sceneries.
Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-30-2009 09:35
From: Sling Trebuchet
I'm sure it would have blended nicely into the environment had they been assigned land equivalent to the land they swapped for it - flat green land-locked.
I wonder if they have a ticket into LL asking if the peninsula can be flattened for them.
Sadly, what's missing from the picture is the constant flickering of the build as a result of nearly all the giant prims overlapping by about a meter all around. (>_<;)
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06-30-2009 09:35
From: Couldbe Yue
don't be too sad yet. I think you'll find the pink satin is just a temp texture. I does look like they're continuing with the futuristic theme though.

btw, has anyone seen the monorail yet?


I waited a half hour for one this past Sunday. Never showed up. I guess they are Unionized.
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06-30-2009 09:36
From: Couldbe Yue
don't be too sad yet. I think you'll find the pink satin is just a temp texture. I does look like they're continuing with the futuristic theme though.

btw, has anyone seen the monorail yet?
Oh? Did they finally put a train on it? (o.o)
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06-30-2009 09:46
From: Couldbe Yue
btw, has anyone seen the monorail yet?


I believe it is inoperable due to the departure of Railway Mole. Last I heard, rail and ferry projects had been moved to late summer at best.
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06-30-2009 09:47
All right, it's time to let you guys in on the joke. This entire mess is something that YOU ALL brought upon yourselves, by arguing for the exclusion of child avatars from Zindra.

We were perfectly fine to live and let live. Honestly, we were. But when it became evident that some people were going to use the new continent as a wedge to drive between LL and the child avatar community, our Adult Avatar Repression Team (AART) sprung into immediate action.

Our first objective was to gain the illusion of official backing. Child avatars are generally allowed, but when some people expressed their opinions that the policy would have to be more explicit and particular to Zindra, we captured and cloned Jack Linden. Using our clone to access and update the blog with a notice expressly permitting child avatars on Zindra in non-sexual-content areas, we then permanently disposed of the real Jack and used our nefarious copy to lure his co-Lindens into situations were we could abduct and clone them as well. We were careful, however, to only replace those Lindens who would be handling the swap tickets, as enough innocent adults were going to have to be terminated to support our plans as it was.

With the entire ticket-handling team thus copied and now under the command of the AART, we issued the start-time for the submission of swap tickets via our disinformation agents and placed our clones on standby. Then the tickets began.

Our clones actually work four hour shifts, and are required to handle at least one ticket per day. Some adults who have won favor with us will be allowed limited space to set up their perverted facilities, with the caveat that as long as they pay us, we won't arrive en-masse to their orgies and AR their entire client bases. The rest of you will unfortunately be trapped in a ticket-limbo while we child avs continue to have our legal run, per LL policy, of the almost completely adult-content-free continent of Zindra, to spite all of you. We may decide at some point to relinquish control, but the message is simple: it will be at a day and time of our choosing, not yours.

Do not be upset; there's no reason you couldn't have seen this coming if you had just used some common sense. All this bickering about child avatars, and we were secretly pulling all the strings from behind the curtain. Fools. FOOLS!
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06-30-2009 09:47
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Sadly, what's missing from the picture is the constant flickering of the build as a result of nearly all the giant prims overlapping by about a meter all around. (>_<;)
The flickering is intentional to aid the futuristic look

:rolleyes:
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06-30-2009 09:49
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I believe it is inoperable due to the departure of Railway Mole. Last I heard, rail and ferry projects had been moved to late summer at best.


Probably waiting for the next Stimulus Bill
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06-30-2009 09:50
From: Dakota Tebaldi
All right, it's time to let you guys in on the joke...
You little crud. (=_=)

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06-30-2009 09:50
From: Dakota Tebaldi
All right, it's time to let you guys in on the joke. This entire mess is something that YOU ALL brought upon yourselves, by arguing for the exclusion of child avatars from Zindra.

We were perfectly fine to live and let live. Honestly, we were. But when it became evident that some people were going to use the new continent as a wedge to drive between LL and the child avatar community, our Adult Avatar Repression Team (AART) sprung into immediate action.

Our first objective was to gain the illusion of official backing. Child avatars are generally allowed, but when some people expressed their opinions that the policy would have to be more explicit and particular to Zindra, we captured and cloned Jack Linden. Using our clone to access and update the blog with a notice expressly permitting child avatars on Zindra in non-sexual-content areas, we then permanently disposed of the real Jack and used our nefarious copy to lure his co-Lindens into situations were we could abduct and clone them as well. We were careful, however, to only replace those Lindens who would be handling the swap tickets, as enough innocent adults were going to have to be terminated to support our plans as it was.

With the entire ticket-handling team thus copied and now under the command of the AART, we issued the start-time for the submission of swap tickets via our disinformation agents and placed our clones on standby. Then the tickets began.

Our clones actually work four hour shifts, and are required to handle at least one ticket per day. Some adults who have won favor with us will be allowed limited space to set up their perverted facilities, with the caveat that as long as they pay us, we won't arrive en-masse to their orgies and AR their entire client bases. The rest of you will unfortunately be trapped in a ticket-limbo while we child avs continue to have our legal run, per LL policy, of the almost completely adult-content-free continent of Zindra, to spite all of you. We may decide at some point to relinquish control, but the message is simple: it will be at a day and time of our choosing, not yours.

Do not be upset; there's no reason you couldn't have seen this coming if you had just used some common sense. All this bickering about child avatars, and we were secretly pulling all the strings from behind the curtain. Fools. FOOLS!


I only said what I was told to say. Can I get paid now?
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06-30-2009 09:53
From: Dakota Tebaldi
Do not be upset; there's no reason you couldn't have seen this coming if you had just used some common sense. All this bickering about child avatars, and we were secretly pulling all the strings from behind the curtain. Fools. FOOLS!

Dakota, you are SUCH a little fibber! To bed with you, WITHOUT dessert!

EVERYONE knows that this mess was engineered by the International Vigilante Taliban Feminazi Conspiracy against Freedom of Thought, Movement, and Masturbation (the IVTFCFTMM, of which I am a proud operative). Don't try to steal OUR credit, ok? Make you OWN mess!

Yeesh, kids today . . . !
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