Mainland Sim Full: Who Is To Blame?

Stop being rational. We're trying to have an argument here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

Grief: a purposeful act to degrade one's game experience without their consent.

Intent matters. Shooting someone is not grief if it is consensual (such as in a combat area, where the parties agree to combat) or if it is a newbie who doesn't understand SL, and is not _intentionally_ trying to degrade another's experience.

You however, by posting this, have shown INTENT to disrupt other's experiences, which is grief. You DESCRIBE your notecard givers, free gun vendors, and dancepads as intentional griefing. This is a violation of LL's CS. Now that you have so thoughtfully posted this here in Linden's servers for record, it's an easy matter to AR any dirty tricks you pull and link to your post here to show intent.

With this post you lost any moral highground you had (which was little to none).

The only thing that would ever entice me into an Infohub would be the grid depositing me there when it borks. No way, no chance would I choose to go to one willingly in my leisure time.

I didn't follow the original argument about Bear infohub and can't say I am going to get embroiled now. However, it is not a good argument to compare users in a sim against deliberately rezzing dance pads. One is popularity - the other is griefing.

Sell up and move. Mind you, if there's been so much negative coverage of the issue then selling is not that likely in a time of land glut.

Considered Estate land?

LL should post all their blogposts in this thread instead. More people would read it.

Beezle Warburton
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 747

Can u haz plane now?

Traffic in those stores couldn't be down due to the overall downturn in the SL economy with less people buying things. A trend that has been commented on over and over again on these boards.

Sim crossings would be hairy in something that big

Maybe you could fly your hairyplane over to this infohub just to brighten up Lias' day.

Hairyplane. That's bad even for me.

Infohubs are considered more important than resident properties on that mainland sim.

This is perfectly acceptable.

Its the same in RL - a goverment owned town centre or train station is considered more important than someones house or shop.

In RL you would only have your shop next to a train station if you wanted to sell things to the people who used the train station such as snacks or paperback books to read on the train.

So in SL you should only have your property in an info hub sim if you can benefit from being in a sim with an info hub.

She does benefit. She uses it for advertising with note cards and landmark spamming, along with huge billboards, and ad rentals. She just likes to argue and fight.

and judging by all these replies, she's not the only one.

When I calculate the time I used up for reading this topic, and the hourly rate my customer pays me for being onsite, this has been one hell of an expensive fight! But worth it

First thing I thought when reading the OP was: She is right. When a tier paying resident cannot enter their own land due to too many people on Linden owned Land, there is something not right. So far so good.

The replies the OP gave in the answers to all the people thinking about solutions, managed quite easy to turn my opinion 180 degrees. Take the reports of residents who checked the number of avatars at any given moment, add the griefing the OP admits to do in the Sim, and tell me how to have sympathy? Please do, because I would so much like to understand.

My point of view now is that I would love to go to the Bear Infohub, where I never visited an Infohub before, and AR each and every spam notecard that gets fired in my direction. That's the result of the postings I read from the OP. Go figure.

To make it easy for the OP, I will include an answer to this posting:



Marcel,
You do not get the point. My and that other dude invested in tier for three years, and refuse to give in to loiterers. So we keep on spamming the Sim and this forum until Linden Labs gives in. We were here first, so we have the right (We pay tier!).

Furthermore, we do not spam. If you get notecards out of the boundaries of our Land (did I mention we pay tier?) you are lying.

We also are not rude to your alts. If it happens anyway, you are lying. Or stupid. Or both.

Because the forum members go and look wether there really are that many loiterers, they are not coming. They hide and as soon as you are gone, they are back. If you think there really are no more then an average 7.2 avatars on Linden Land, you ar eeither stopid or lying. Did I mention we are longer on this land then the Hub AND pay tier?).


With Love, Lias

Yea I need to get away from the official forums and go back to SLUniverse. The official forums tend to bring out the worst in me. The things she says and does are so ridiculous it makes it hard to hold back.

Well Isablan started talking about land wars in Asia, so I thought I'd throw more "Princess Bride" quotes in just for kicks.

Inconceivable!

Lias just what is your endgame here? I can't fathom out what you're hoping to achieve with this feud. Are you looking for compensation to move?

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

A question I'd like to know is, given the LONG and PERSISTANT history Lias and Radio have with griefing in Bear and when Radio was in Chief (right next door to the infohub property line) is why are they still there? Why hasn't LL done something to protect the community there?


We have multiple cases of chat spamming, person to person verbal assault, bot running to deny service, mature content viewable from the infohub pointed at the Bear infohub? Why do these griefers get special treatment?

I care about the Bear Community, I've met some great people there and I hope to meet many more. Here are some pictures over my time at Bear that I have gathered. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ravenelle/sets/72157605035520572/

That is what community is, that is what is good in Second Life.

We complain about many things in SL but the best is the people. Treat one another with kindness, foster good, foster fun, foster friendships, not hurt and leeching off one another like Lias and Radio are doing.

Tommorow. 5.14.08 10:00AM SLT

Club Baby Seals presents:

Bear Down.

A Guerilla Event at the lovely Bear Infohub!!!

Stream addy will be given at location

WeWt! I'm so there!

This is correct. I was spammed while on public land by her scripted objects offering several items as well as chat spam at 62,147,106. Screenshot may be viewed here: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3167/2490392430_b801619427_o.jpg

I'd say have people mass report her for grief. I posted on the last page about how she revealed her INTENT to grief through several means, so it won't be hard to link to her original post in the AR.

That's nothing, I took five rounds of AR'ing to have the one every minute shouter turned off. Everytime a linden would turn it off, she'd bring it back.

They haven't had one in a while, but when they have "events" they turn them back on. We just love getting chat spammed with everything her greeter podium and DJs say.



We do this in-world. They do get reprimanded from time-to-time, but it does nothing to change the behavior. At times, the AR's seem to go unheeded. I think it's mainly because she's doing it in vocie chat and that's more difficult to police.

Some attribute it to the fact that she pays a lot of tier and LL doesn't want to loose the business. I don't know.

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Just were there with some friendly folks, alltogether 14 in the Sim.
If I should choose between being with these friendly folks or in the shooting range, I know what I'll do

As if this isn't enough, You continue to go into the infohub yourself and provoke people into saying something to you be either annoying the hell out of them or starting a argument. You have fallen to the level of where you feel you have to annoy us to get us out and if that includes breaking terms of service by using unpaid for bots (which from what it specifically says in TOS costs $9.95 per each additional basic free/paid account past the 1st one) to fill up the land and not allow us to come in. its basically just pointless.

You have purposely become an ass to everyone in bear trying to forward this "Advancement of InfoHub movement group", call all of us griefers and spammers, and yet you have continually set up your advertisement box that constantly shouts your worthless group messages across the entire sim, and when I contacted you about that you said it only does it whenever someone steps on the "welcome mat". I noticed there are two ones, there is a welcome mat but that was not the one that was spamming, and before, the welcome mat would whisper and not spam the grid, now it shouts.

So you tell me lias. How are these "experiments" that basically, when it comes down to it is breaking TOS, helping anything at all? All I see is you doing some of the same stuff that we do, and your only excuse is that you "pay tier" and are able to use all that grids resources.


-EDIT-
I also saw you say this

The guns and free camping is my protest to keeping a sim beautiful for three years just to have its resources abused by loiterers. I am not going to maintain a beautiful environment for people that have no regard for the people paying to keep a server online.

LOL!
Protest? so basically you are protesting by making sure noone can get in at all. thats really helping.

Just go buy land somewhere else and LEAVE US THE HELL ALONE.

(BTW I am a bear regular since Jan0