Mainland Sim Full: Who Is To Blame?

I constantly AR the infohub in my sim when there are 30 people standing around in there for hours and only ten people can enter the sim. Of course the Lindens have never responded to any of these ARs in a year.

So I tried a little experiement. I rezzed 30 dance pads on a parcel across from the infohub. Once the Infohub loiterers could only get ten of their group into the sim they began to mass AR the dance pads. S. Linden showed up right in front of me and began returning dance pads to my inventory.

Conclusion: 30 avatars loitering in a Linden-owned infohub is not bad. 30 Avatars on dance pads on a tier-payers land is bad. My question: Why do the Lindens want to turn infohubs (which were set-up as mainland information stations for new players) into unsupervised hang-out that take precedents over the tier paying residents in a mainland sim?


I guess I will have to make it very difficult for them to comfortably gather in large numbers. I feel that if I can only get ten people into the sim while I pay tier there then the Infohub should have to deal with those limitations also. A telling sign of resource abuses by the Linden Owned infohub is that the infohub traffic is always three times that of any parcel in the sim. The rezzing in the infohub and then exploring the sim has given away to organized chat sessions that stop the natural flow of traffic into the sim.

And I do not endorse anyone selling their parcel because our service provider will not address this ever-growing issue. We did not expect people to sell out when adfarmers adversely effected the mainland - we asked our service provider for positive changes that would allow us to continue to comfortably own our mainland parcels. But since the blame is placed squarely upon the shoulders of Linden Lab - there has been no relief in sight.

The Bear Infohub people had this problem a while back. The landowners were furious that they couldn't even get to their own properties, while the Infohubbers pointed out that it's a free area yadda yadda. Long story short, the Infohubbers formed a group and took their gatherings elsewhere. This was, of course, after months of teeth-gnashing, accusations back and forth, name-calling, etc. Maybe you could talk to the people at your Infohub and suggest they do the same thing?

Oh, Oryx I like the end of your story better than the actual reality. The group stayed and increased its numbers. I know other mainland parcel owners that have similar issues in their sims. But they have resigned themselves to just sit back and let the mass loitering continue. Since the abuses occur on Linden-owned land ( the people we pay tier to to use these resources) there is no recourse. Seems only the service provider can abuse mainland resources without reprimand.

Oryx - Lias is trolling again. She was right in the middle of the Bear InfoHub drama and we are talking about Bear again here. There was mention of it on the Mentor channel last night.

Isablan I do not think you knwo what the woprd 'trolling' means. I posted a question about mainland sims being full - should the Infohub people move on or the tier payer be made to accommodate the infohub mass gathering? Where the trolling is in that question I do not know - but if that is what you want to call it then go right ahead.

Well you could also abandon the land to LL and let LL lose money on Tier. That would teach em...
Um probably not going even make a dent in LL either way.
Sadly the only person in long run is you that;s going to be hurt whatever you do.
LL in this case has made who they are concerned about obvious, they don't care who is paying tier there.
Get out while you can. Go do something else or remain a paying victim to LL's infohub.
I don't see you as a Troll, but this has been going on for a while.
Do you want to continue feeling victimized by this?
It is obvious whose side they are on in this situation. It is time to do something else.
Sell the land, put ugly warning about the land.
If it doesn't sell abandon it and cancel everything....go find another game or place to play if it really upsets you that much.

I don't understand the infohub gathering popularity thing. I went to a few just to see why they were such a popular hangout and all I saw were a bunch of people who were cracking jokes about the newbies standing around. At one there was a nice person who greeted everyone coming in, but overall the chat going on was newbie jokes, chat spam and howlz. Just unappealing IMO.

Lias - IMHO, I think you may have missed an opportunity. Of course, at this point - that opportunity has passed due to all the bad blood - and the only thing you can do now is look out for your own best interests.

The Shelter has a similar 'issue' with the Isabel infohub. Often, the Infohub renders our sim full, which reduces the number of folks we can accomodate in the Shelter.

Instead of fighting the Infohub, we embraced them - and made them feel as welcome as we possibly could to visit us at the Shelter, which is a short hop from the hub. There's no better advertising than good feelings and word of mouth, especially when its right on our doorstep.

We still have sim-full issues to this day, but honestly - it actually improves the experience we're trying to provide for folks inside the Shelter. Less people means less client-side lag, and happier visitors overall

Yes Travis,, the infohub used to work with our goals also - until it became just what you described. You run a well-known new player welcome venue - and that is your goal. We have other goals than having the infohub in the sim to be used as a mass gathering place for several hours a day. It is near impossible to plan trainings when people cannot enter the sim at the scheduled time of the class. Again, there seems no relief in sight since the free service provider sees no reason to address this issue or respond at all to any tier-paying c ustomer's complaints about sim resource abuse from infohubs.

I think in some ways the info hubs have outlived their usefulness

A newbie island of sorts where you can not enter if over X days old unless a mentor would be better.

Add far more detailed tutorials to learn the systems and mentors on hand to answer questions.

Linden Labs could build a sampling of various types of structures and such (or even have residents compete to build for it. Limited to say 512m or 1024 m lot prim limits )

The thing is if they need places where they redirect avatars that come on that can't go to where they meant to login or need infohubs LL can afford their own sims for this, I don't get why they are only using portions of other sims for this when they know it causes traffic issues unless they plain just don't care.
Have you tried to contact any Lindens in world who deal with these issues?
What has the response been?

Well FD it took two years for LL to even acknowledge adfarming was bad for the mainland. Three years later we are finally addressing the gaming of traffic. I am not looking for instant solutions. I feel that Linden Lab borders on Breach of Contract when they collect tier from us to use a server's resources and then have their own parels stop us from using those same resources. I am also perplexed why they feel that this is an effective policy. I still hold out hope that this new CEO, with his customer service background, will see the value in maintaining good relations with mainland tier payers while increasing the free account numbers. There has to be a way to do it that does not negatively impact one group.

I think maybe its case of blinders they only see a problem if numerous people complain i.e the infohubbers...they don't connect a problem when you the owner have been complaining for over a year via tickets....
My friend has village that she has acquired over time when she first had the majority of land there was casino owner with smaller lot of land that had 30 campers there at all times.
It took months but how she resolved it was she went and talked to a Linden during their office times to resolve the solution.
That problem was resolved until a Sex club moved into neighboring sim and began to drain resources of her sim.
She complained tried to talk to someone about it.
They said there was nothing hey could do about it.
I guess you win some and lose some but either way it took months and she eventually had to talk to someone directly before they listen to her about the campers.
They gotta know there is population limit per sim and that it causes problems by now.
They definitely know prims, scripts and avatars cause resource issues per sim if they are asking us to police or reduce what we wear in gatherings from few blog post back..

Lias, you never answered the question the last time. If they were gathered on the Linden road in front of your land, would you complain? Would you ask that the road be removed?

If they were gathering on private land in your sim, without the dance pads, would you have any recourse?

As far as I know, the Hanson Infohub is always nearly empty. Suggest they go there?

I have to agree MortVent. Sadly, infohubs do not help new players. I would hope that the Lindens fix the issue and not allow access to anyone over 30 days old. Allow only people with a Mentor tag to enter these parcels if they are over 30 days old. That would solve all of the problems. There are enough empty venues in SL for older avatars to loiter in. There is no real reason for them to be gathering en masse at one-sim infohubs.

Yeah. Well. We've all suggested that numerous times, for both Infohubs and OI/Help Islands. But, hey, once again, LL's more concerned with Dazzling us.

That's funny.. I'd be curious to find out what reason you were given for returning your pads. Personally, I'd camp alts from a different account and IP address... take that lol.
I'd also wager to say that unless you own more than a third of that sim, using any more than the available 10 client spots is an abuse of resources in itself. LL's not gonna move the infohub, you know that.. I don't understand why you wouldn't just sell up and move. There's no glory in being a martyr or fighting the hopeless battle.. and there's certainly no money in it either. Plenty of other nearly empty sims that could host your school without even a hiccup.

Yes Chris I would ask any group loitering on Linden Land to please release the resources if we could not get more than 10 people into the sim. That seems unreasonable to you? I ask my neighbor to release resources when he has too many bots running and he complies. I feel that the service provider has to respond when a paying customer is being denied the resources they are paying for. Especially when the service provider is the source of the problem.

I do own that much
It is odd to me that those endorsing tier payers move when the Infohub is used to abuse reources never told tier payers to move when adfarmers moved in next door. Endorsing a double standard is not the answer. Giving the service provider the impression that they can do whatever they please AND collect fees for services they disrupt is not going to help anyone in the long run.

When are you going to learn, land near an info hub is worth LESS then average land around the grid not MORE.

Ppl who own land in the sim of bear set land for sale at really stupid high prices, and not really stupid LOW prices that it is TRUELY worth.

Lias, dont like it? MOVE to your own sim, you CHOOSE to stay in that sim, you CHOOSE to live in an area where you know the infohub is and you CHOOSE to think the land is worth more.

its not. its worth less and PROLLY Worthless. The sim is BEAR the info hub is BEAR.

What part of the 'bear is a infohub' and 'bear infohub uses the whole sim' do you not understand?

just move.

<thud> oh <thud> god <thud> not <thud> Bear <thud> again!!!!!!!

MAKE IT STOP

There isn't a double standard and adfarms aren't even close to the same issue... however ugly adfarms are, how many have found one that keeps people out of a sim by using too many client slots, or one that's owned by LL directly?
That's what I thought...
LL picked that sim and placed the infohub there. Done. They don't care if you're sentimental about that particular piece of land, nor do they care if you won't sell and move. Expecting LL to place limits on the people visiting those public places is very asinine at best concidering there's not that many of them in the first place. Everyone else living in a sim with an infohub or welcome area seems to understand.. you deal with it or you leave. Period. So simple a caveman can do it...

LL is planning a whole lot more of them though .

On the plus side, they'll all be on sims without resident-owned land.