Mainland Sim Full: Who Is To Blame?

I dropped in after reading the whole thread. seems odd at 2 pm PST there was maybe 5 people including me, one was in appearance mode the others rezzed in and went on their way..

I think Bear is a nice info hub, great chairs to sit on and chat or meet, "hang out" "loiter" what ever you want to call it. I had never been, I have driven through the sim on the roads , and been spamed with note cards from someone ... was that this gun thing? ugg I hate note card givers they are the worst!

I still get board and drop in to info hubs to see whats going on, I used to be a "caretaker" at a few handing out freebies and notecards on how to do stuff, now I drop my alts in and people watch, guess Bear is the place to check out

anyone want to use my land for this its always open and I even have a Money tree and 7 seas and good indie music streaming. nice dance balls and other stuff been there 2 years and could use the traffic!

Yea that spam you got, all Lias

She's "advertising services in protest" I don't buy that. She's clearly taking total advantage of that traffic.

Maybe you'll be watching your tongue a little better from now on.

You may also hear this repetitive hip-hop beat sound when you've at the infohub. (Unless the AR's I've filed have gotten the object removed.)

That's another one of their spamming tactics to make life at the infohub less tolerable. You can get rid of that by muting Ryan Radio.



I welcome you to Bear to help the newbie and oldbies and sit on the wall to have a chat.

Last night we had a discussion the poltics of funeral home, the difference between satyrs and centaurs, some creepy guy that followed a regular to the infohub, how to editing alpha files in photoshop when making t-shirts and jackets, and the annoyance of the Tiny Tim song in the "Wonderful Chair".

Don't get me wrong, there is "griefing" that goes on at Bear, but on the whole, we're really very nice people, in spite the constant venom coming from a total of TWO vocal and landowners. (People have a hard time holding thier tongues when they're griefed by that duo.)

You may even join into a spontaneous protest like we did a few months ago after the time that Lias compared us to "crack-head loiterers who hang out at 7-11" along with the standard pack of lies that she's been spouting in this thread. (I don't know the exact statements, I have her muted.)

It's really nice the invitations to other places, but one of the great things about Bear is the way the hub space is set-up. Ravenelle and her building partner did a wonerful job that allows for a great conversation area with quite places where others can go off to a different section and hang out in the quieter area in the lodge. The dynamics of a new community are also not the same.

Most of the people at the infohub would agree that it would be wonderful to have a well-deserved divorce from this horrible shot-gun marriage of fate that the residents of such a nice infohub have had to endure.

I would really LOVE for LL to either move her and Ryan to a new sim OR move the infohub to a new sim. (I would prefer them to move because of the headache tied in with changing the home positions of so many people.) Perhaps rename the sim and have a new one named Bear on the new continent?

It would really suck for the other land owners (including those who bought land in the sim because of her whining that they weren't paying "tier" to have to suffer because she can't play nice. I think the regulars at the infohub would love to work with NCI, Ravenelle, Linden Lab, mentors, and other parties to find a better solution to this.

(I totally reject, your "I was paying tier on this sim since the last ice age" argument. It's illogical and it has become annoyingly repetitive. Land is cheap. Hey, if you want to own three clubs/club schools, have enough sense NOT to keep buying land in a sim with an Infohub. Buy an Island!)

Closing down the infohub is totally not acceptable and would both kill a thriving virtual community and reward her horrible years-long griefing tempertantrum.

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The Jira has been expanded to request LL move all infohubs to free-standing sims -- link is in my signature.

This would minimize traffic complaints and put a damper on the "I own land next door so I can treat everyone like @#$%" entitlement issues that pop up from time to time.

Some of the infohubs are quite well built, so I'd like to see what the talented builders who set them up might do if a full sim was at their disposal.

Honestly? I saw nothing on the adjoining parcels that interested me, visually, as much as the infohub itself (and maybe the bridge in the road). I would *not* set foot in the guns and camping area except under extreme duress. Maybe that is helping to kill its traffic?

Mari

Are we STILL talking about Bear?

Whining about the casino ban has become passe.

Wow. taking the lie all the way through. You really think anyone actually believes anyone ever said "I am a mentor so I can do anything I want"? You have to make these lies more believable if your looking for anyone to believe them. Try again.
And now back on topic: This Jira started off with the title "Close or Move Bear infohub" now it has been ammended to read "Move Infohubs to regions containing no Resident owned/rented land"

Cast your vote. Since Linden Lab doesn't have the time to maintain their own parcels they should not subject tier-paying customers to them any longer. I figured with LL on the Positive Publicicty train that they would want to hide these greifer camps from their corporate client base.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1183

It takes 7.4 avs to be there 24 hours to have a traffic figure of 11,000, so the hub has an average of 7.6 people in it throughout the 24 hours. It doesn't seem excessive to me. I had the map on-screen for hours a couple of days ago, and only once saw more than 30 people in the sim - ~33 - and only for a a few minutes. the rest of the time it's been around half the sim's capacity or less. Right now, there are 21 poeple in, and 10 of those are nowhere near the hub. I really haven't see any problem there.

I feel reasonably confident that the reason other parcel owners' traffic is down from way back is simply because fewer people want to visit those places. I haven't seen the sim fill up to the extent that the hub has taken traffic from the parcel owners. All I can think of is that the activities in the hub are so bad that people don't want to be in the same sim any more, but since this thread started, people from here have visited the place and seen nothing of that. All of the hours that I've had the map up, there has been plenty of room in the sim for the other places to get traffic. Why aren't they getting it?

The Gun place has only been there two weeks and it's traffic has been better than the quiet clothing shop that was there - since the loiterers took over the infohub and disrupted the natural flow of traffic into the sim. I try to make it newbie-friendly. I am trying to get some of the new players to not turn into long term loiterers. Ryan suggested we turn it into a carnival with rides and stuff that the new free accounts can enjoy. Anything is better than the ever expanding group seeking negative attention in the infohub.

But these people do not only gather seven at a time. When only ten of them could get into the infohub at one time they complained to the Lindens. The people complaining obviously were not new players - but seasoned players who loiter in the infohub in large groups daily.


The 67th poster explained this That is why they were gathering in the street yesterday - to lower the traffic in the InfoHub. All Linden Lab has to do is make the Hub accessible to the new players it was intended for only and the Infohub goes back to what it was in 2006 - a portal for new residents to explore the sim and get information from the prim info givers there.

Just FYI... I voted for this when it was originally aimed only at Bear. I am removing my vote from this issue because there are many Infohubs that actually are helpful and not annoying to the sim co-owners.

Alright, but I'd like to see it. What time(ish) do they gather each day?

Agreed. I was unaware that a jira could be taken from a specific situation and turned into a general. I am all for helping Bear, but too many people out there have businesses that rely on infohubs for customers. I am quite sure it would upset them to have that income ripped from them due to an isolated situation in Bear.

They only come out at night when all the little boys and girls are fast asleep.

More like...

Or better yet...

Might be more appropriate:

This guy is from the second generation of loiterers. The first bunch moved on and left these followers in their Bear Co-op/Bear Buddies group. After their leaders left to do something productive this group saw a opportunity to get the negative attention they so desperately need by lying to new players that rez in the hub Telling these people that the hub is for group chats is irresponsible.
Kuro, there is no 'life at the infohub'. It is not a residence fo you or your group members. I is a portal for new players to teeport to themainland and beginto explore.

And this is what this ever-expanding group does on daily basis. Lie to new players and tell them the Infohub was put there for them to chat. When I inform these new players fo the 43 avatar limit they are truly shocked.

All of which could have taken place in any venue anywhere on the grid. One of these loiterers owns 2000 meters in Bear sim. But he spends the majority of his tim in Bear sim loitering in the infohub disrupting the natural flow of traffic into the sim. One of them told me yesterday that if the Hub is moved or closed they would go to this person's plot and gather. My question to them was why don't they do that now? They had no answer.

That wasnt a few months ago - that was last night. Loitering in a parking lot spouting nonsense and trying to show off - while abusing resources is not a welcome activity.

The infohub is not a free parcel for you to build your community on.

There are no residents of a infohub. We that pay tier in the sim are the residents of Bear. And we reside on the parcels we purchased.
Ryan Radio made a complete replica of the brick wall, green hand on the ground and the two benches with no sit animations in it (what a innovative build). You are welcome to the freebie textures used to make it. Rez it on any parcel you own and enjoy.

Just go away. Problem solved.

It would really suck for the other land owners (including those who bought land in the sim because of her whining that they weren't paying "tier" to have to suffer because she can't play nice. [/QUOTE]Buyig land in the sim and then continuing to loitering in the infohub does nothing about the problem.

The solution is to gather in 4-sim infohubs (As the Lindens defined in 2006. 4-sim infohubs are for community gathering. One sim infohubs are for distributing information to new players. You, NCI, Linden Lab and Ravenelle all have the copy of the official definitions of infohubs. I never see NCI members loitering in the infohub and they help many more new players than you will ever help.

And the line is drawn in the sand - until Linden Lab addresses the issue and fixes the problem. These players that came to infohubs to try out voice last year actually think they have a right to gather there abusing resources.

I am not rebuilding, marketing new plots of land after three years and moving all of my staff so you can stand around chit chatting. That is absurb.

Infohubs are portals to the mainland - not communities.
Just limit access to the infohub to the people it was meant to serve. So you (born in 2005) would be able to move on an d release the resources you have been holding hostage.

That would be horrible if LL removed lots of wonderful history filled, and established info hubs from there current homes just to quiet one squeaky resident.

tl;dr

Sarah wake up. The notecard goes out when someone enters our parcel. As many commercial parcels do. If you feel spammed hit the 'discard' button and keep your distance. And in two years we never had a notegiver. We always liked a nice quiet sim. But if the infohub is going to remain the back parking lot of the 7-11 we are going to have notecard givers, free guns, dancepads and whatever else falls within the TOS we want to put on our parcels. I am no longer making loiterers comfortable while they abuse the resources I pay for.

Your not goin to get any cheap land out of this controversy. Move on down the road.

No it doesn't. It hands then out when someone gets within sensor range and the range overlaps the road.

Well I don't believe you Beezle. And stay on topic please or start a thread about notecard givers. Te parcel will continue to change as we find ways to best deal with the loitering issue in the infohub. The Lindens will let us knwo if we step over the line and we will make adjustments. But we will be right up on said line at all times until the loitering stops.